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Ugh, it doesn't make any sense, if what you're saying is true, then I RB Comi, and QT got a scum read from him, so... is there some power that gives a false negative but only one time?
 
Astaroh-M said:
Ugh, it doesn't make any sense, if what you're saying is true, then I RB Comi, and QT got a scum read from him, so... is there some power that gives a false negative but only one time?
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Maybe he gets access to a kill every other night or something? Like, I'm just as confused by the different responses from Comi according to QT as you are. And it could be a power but it would be a fairly unique one.
 
...You know, this requires some power juggling but, if Cyri used his illusory power on Comi's house and he goes first, then is possible that the house that Pawn targeted wasn't Comi's.

@Cyricubed did you use some of your powers last night?
 
Honestly, some of these are really unlikely, but I'll include them for completeness in case someone knows something I don't. 5 options, as I see it, in a rough descending order of likelyness:
1. We have a mentor, they used their abilities on pawn but got redirected. Seems odd since mentees usually flip scum, but I *have* seen it happen; might also have been a weird interaction with role block I suppose but that seems somewhat implausible.
2. Pawn is lying about something.
3. Comi could give out vig powers, but roleblock or redirection ensures he still had them when I investigated.
4. Someone suspected I would investigate pawn, and framed them but got redirected as well.
5. Someone has a night power they actively used on me to alter my results.
 
The Master said:
I don't feel they were both a neighborizer and an sk every other night.
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Please, then explain why Comi had knives, the leading wording in Terra's day 3 post, and the kill flavor in Terra's day 2 post. In my mind there is a decent amount of evidence that Comi was a killer. And to be frank, you being in a inn mason is still weird to me because you would have been the last person on the list for me to go for with your activity at the time.

You still never said why he picked you. And claiming the inn is a neighborizer spot is a pretty easy lie to make up. It's possible to be real but something about this whole thing doesn't make sense and I'm still trying to figure out what.
 
Astaroh-M said:
...You know, this requires some power juggling but, if Cyri used his illusory power on Comi's house and he goes first, then is possible that the house that Pawn targeted wasn't Comi's.

@Cyricubed did you use some of your powers last night?
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Echoing this question @Cyricubed .

Also to the thread at large if it was one of you that did this instead (and it somehow isn't scum or cyric) please let me know tommorow at least so we know if I can trust tommorow night's results.
 
Astaroh-M said:
@Cyricubed did you use some of your powers last night?
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Yes. We were fearful for our second vessel so we swapped with one of the more lurky people, Rikimaru. I was hoping a kill would be directed at me. It seems it was not...either that or one was and Riki was Night kill immune. Something I doubt but hey, I was lynchproof once.
 
For that matter, we're not sure if there is even flavor present for those that we transport.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Please, then explain why Comi had knives, the leading wording in Terra's day 3 post, and the kill flavor in Terra's day 2 post. In my mind there is a decent amount of evidence that Comi was a killer. And to be frank, you being in a inn mason is still weird to me because you would have been the last person on the list for me to go for with your activity at the time.

You still never said why he picked you. And claiming the inn is a neighborizer spot is a pretty easy lie to make up. It's possible to be real but something about this whole thing doesn't make sense and I'm still trying to figure out what.
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Its an inn, there is likely to be a kitchen so there is probably knives in that kitchen, I don't know why they chose me or who they targeted last night as I was asleep the entire night phase so I couldn't recommend someone for them to pick. Also it's not a mason its a neighbourhood the text at the start of the quick topic gave a warning of if those chosen by the innkeeper could be trusted. Also they went by the name innkeeper Lucille if that helps at all.
 
The Master said:
Its an inn, there is likely to be a kitchen so there is probably knives in that kitchen, I don't know why they chose me or who they targeted last night as I was asleep the entire night phase so I couldn't recommend someone for them to pick. Also it's not a mason its a neighbourhood the text at the start of the quick topic gave a warning of if those chosen by the innkeeper could be trusted. Also they went by the name innkeeper Lucille if that helps at all.
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So,the kitchen is a way for them to get knives. If Comi was really the neighborizer I would expect him to keep notes on why he picked who he picked. Any quicktopic is a mason, it can be fluffed as a neighborhood or whatever but it is a mason. That's a standard warning for most quicktopics, adjusted for a neighborizer, and the name doesn't really matter.
 
So as I look at it. We have the following:

QT supposedly turned a Negative, and Positive on two separate nights on comiturtle. According to accounts by both Pawn and QTesseract.
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QTesseract said:
I attempted to investigate pawn, but I hit someone else due to most. They pinged as guilty, but I have no idea who they are.
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Pawn Lelouch said:
N2 I did use it because I figured that there would be the fear that the watcher would cover Asta/QT and that would scare scum away from them. I was one of the prominent players outside of that and I figured that there was a decent chance that I could be attacked. So I pushed the night actions directed at me to Comi. He had been unusually quiet this game and it was making me somewhat suspicious.
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This itself is pretty strange. I'd like to also bring more attention to a few other things.

Astaroh-M's only confirm is the The Master, since comiturtle is dead and therefore cannot confirm. The master also claims that Comiturtle neighbored him...another unconfirmable thing. As no one else seems to have been neighbored. I just write has a RB claim with the exact same flavor as what happened to me night one. Overall I find both Astaroh-M and Master a bit...sus...especially since neither have really tried to pull benefit towards town. There is something else to consider. We don't know for certain if anyone has more than one power like myself. I wouldn't put it past someone to have a double power, maybe Astaroh can RB people and make them look guilty? This is some straw pulling but hey...I've straw-pulled up theories in Mafio Party and Witches that turned out to be true.

And finally I have some suspicion on these three individuals:
Atk50 - Has not posted in quite a while, provided nothing towards finding scum.
Threnodist - While has posted more than most lurkers, has barely contributed towards finding scum in posts.
Rikimaru - Also very lurky and the same as above.
 
Astaroh-M said:
What do you mean by benefit towards town?
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Lets go back to the last few minutes of the last day cycle. You at last minute claimed you were a role-blocker, but you didn't push out flavor information, or any feasible way to confirm. Looking at it further...this lead to our attempted lynch. Thank god I had a lynch proof to save us otherwise we might not have found these little bits of weird info. You instead could have, and honestly should have, put up a counter claim ages ago at the beginning of the day cycle, and instead you waited till there was very little time left, very little to cross-examine, and really in retrospect seems flimsy, and would have been much more useful earlier in the day when mistakes could have been prevented. You weren't even suspicious when the person you roleblocked didn't openly claim such? When they could have given that info to the town in one of their few posts? Something seems...sketchy about all this we feel. In addition you haven't really...scum hunted much, really just rolled on what others have already said, except when the pressures on you.

We'd really like some thoughts from Pawn and QT on the matter, since we believe them to be better at scum hunting then us. Given comi isn't a bastard flip and I feel the fact that QT's results were different two nights in a row has to show something. We think it's either this or we need to pursue the lurkers more.
 
Cyricubed said:
Lets go back to the last few minutes of the last day cycle. You at last minute claimed you were a role-blocker, but you didn't push out flavor information, or any feasible way to confirm. Looking at it further...this lead to our attempted lynch. Thank god I had a lynch proof to save us otherwise we might not have found these little bits of weird info. You instead could have, and honestly should have, put up a counter claim ages ago at the beginning of the day cycle, and instead you waited till there was very little time left, very little to cross-examine, and really in retrospect seems flimsy, and would have been much more useful earlier in the day when mistakes could have been prevented. You weren't even suspicious when the person you roleblocked didn't openly claim such? When they could have given that info to the town in one of their few posts? Something seems...sketchy about all this we feel. In addition you haven't really...scum hunted much, really just rolled on what others have already said, except when the pressures on you.

We'd really like some thoughts from Pawn and QT on the matter, since we believe them to be better at scum hunting then us. Given comi isn't a bastard flip and I feel the fact that QT's results were different two nights in a row has to show something. We think it's either this or we need to pursue the lurkers more.
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In regards to how Asta claimed, I am of two minds about it. While I wish he hasn't claimed in the literal last ten minutes I can understand why he waited, revealing a power like that always puts a target on your back and frankly he wasn't in the lead to lynch until QT claimed gunsmith. And the flavor stuff could be chalked up to time constraints again. While I wish he had pushed the Master more, he was at least setting up that type of thing with how he was pushing for him to talk more during the day, so he at least was setttrying no it up before. All in all, I don't like how things went down but I could understand how it happened.

Pursuing the lurkers is all well and good but it doesn't change the fact that they are close to half of the living player base at this point. I agree with pushing them but we likely won't get a huge amount of info from them.

And again, the Comi/QT thing is just bizarre due to Comi's flip with all of the stuff linking him to the knife kill (the RB and flavor in the D3 post) and just the two different power responses from QT,
 
Cyri Astorah to me is sending way more town vibes than you, I am almost certain you are the bird killer and while others may not, believe me, I doubt there is another bird person so I'm keeping my vote on you.
 
The Master said:
Cyri Astorah to me is sending way more town vibes than you, I am almost certain you are the bird killer and while others may not, believe me, I doubt there is another bird person so I'm keeping my vote on you.
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Sorry if this sounds antagonistic but we're quite annoyed at this point especially since we're very close to a town loss. We can assume there are at least 3 scum(2 teamed and an sk). And two night kills. we really don't know why we didn't have a Blue Kill last night but hey, we can't complain when it means for now, town has at max 7/10 majority. Lets assume the worse. You lynch us, Town now has 6/9 majority with a double voter. That night two town die, including the double voter. At this point its 4/7 majority and we're left with a bunch of doubt and easy pickings for scum. At this point scum need to hunt each other(Either teamed needs to lynch sk or sk needs at least 1 teamed scum dead by next day) Again worst case so another town is lynched and at that point town win is near impossible without the chance of a town oriented killer. So yeah, we're pretty much hardcore scum hunting, pushing ideas, and trying to get a scum lynched today cause the way "we" see it if we don't we lose. At this point we'd say it is crunch time. We don't have any solid leads and the fact that people aren't talking or contributing isn't helping so "we" really think this is dumb that you think the person with 2 abilities and a lynch-proof that would obviously relate to a sk kill flavor would happen to be the sk as well. Again, sorry if this sounds antagonistic but "we" need to push for a scum kill and make people talk. Without pressure we've got nothing, by the time QT might find someone it could very well be way too late.
 
[X] Lynch Atk50


@atk50 your the one who has presented least for any analysis. "we'd" think it'd be in towns best interest to speak up.
 
The Master said:
Cyri Astorah to me is sending way more town vibes than you, I am almost certain you are the bird killer and while others may not, believe me, I doubt there is another bird person so I'm keeping my vote on you.
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Also cyricubed constantly accuses me of lurking when I am one of the top posters. I know I am not being super informationy but I'm paying attention to stuff, just waiting for something that's actually useful and worth pursuiing. Normally I have someone I am gunning for but the people I think are most scummy (pawn, cyricubed, ijw, qtesseract, astaroh-m) all have reasonable claims and it's hard to know which one to go after.

fuck it whatever, Cyricubed is the closest to confirmed town we have and they have been very open about their weaknesses so it's not like they will survive for long if scum are persistent.

[X] Lynch atk50

Not on my list of suspicious individuals but The Master is talking a decent amount now and providing information, and my sus list are also contributing so Cyricubed can use his vigi on someone he thinks is sus that will hopefully be scum (not telling him to kill anyone on my list he should make his own judgement).
I have no read on atk50 so can't be a bad choice, reduces the list of unknowns.
 
lmao did I just follow cyricubes opinion after criticising them and saying they are seeming a bit scummy?
 
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