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So pretty much if I'm reading correctly, Wizards and Hunters can win with either Town or Mafia and vice versa, but not their mortal enemy.

You read correctly. And there's my allegiance, for which, see above posts.

That...really makes the game messy. Allegiances can change prettyfast depending on who would be more likely to win you the game.

I do believe that was the point. That, and seeing how long it would take people to figure this out if I didn't just tell everyone.
 
Could be a neutral ability, though yeah, you probably should've said that. Cuts out the possibility of Town quite nicely.
Honestly didn't occur to me as relevant until Riki mentioned Escorts and I had to stop and think for a second to remember that that meant "mafia RBer".

Eh? If I read what you're saying correctly, you are suggesting 7 factions w/2 people each, and then my 1-person faction.
Looking at my own role, I'm gonna say "not a chance in hell" to that particular setup. That would just be... really dumb on a design level.
 
Honestly didn't occur to me as relevant until Riki mentioned Escorts and I had to stop and think for a second to remember that that meant "mafia RBer".


Looking at my own role, I'm gonna say "not a chance in hell" to that particular setup. That would just be... really dumb on a design level.

consort is the mafia role blocker.
 
consort is the mafia role blocker.
...Yes that's what I just said. I usually just call RBers "Roleblocker" in my head instead of categorizing as separate things by alignment though, so it took that bit of thought to connect name to meaning, which then lead me to realize that "oh hey the flavor might be alignment indicative".
 
Looking at my own role, I'm gonna say "not a chance in hell" to that particular setup. That would just be... really dumb on a design level.

It seems unlikely to me, too. Especially since I believe my PM mentioned every faction in the game. (It's possible there's an Icebearer and a Lightningbearer with the same info and situation who are technically considered independent of me and each other, but I doubt it.)
 
Okay.

That happened.

I... think that there is a critical difference of opinion as to how much we should trust all of these D2 claims, but I'll let this ride a bit and check back in on the thread tonight. Please do not hammer lynch for at least twenty-four hours. I have some analysis to do, and with my luck if you start the night phase early I'll get killed without being able to post it.
 
Side note: I've had very spotty internet, and will continue to have spotty internet because of location. I missed the end of D1 by 30 minutes because of this.

*wakes up with headache*

> Reveals

Uh. What.

I think I'll reread the day.

But for now:

[X] Vote Shadow Shinobi

I had suspicions D1, and still have them today.
 
I am back now to see what's been going on.....

I fucking love your new profile pic. Glad you are getting better <3



Dude what are you talking about? Last night was a treasure trove of information. We know that 1: Nanimani was targeted by a killing role (almost certainly the main scum faction) AND HEALED -which means that scum faction are both obvious as fuck (who the fuck goes to kill the second or third most talkative and second most focused down on lynching and doesn't expect town roles to be protecting) and desperate.

2: Lost Deviljo was probably targeted by the equivalent of Escort, and is either a non killing scum member (there might be GF, Consiglier equivalents), or neutral or town (since Nanimani WAS targeted and healed). Them admitting to being role blocked indicates they are either playing a "just gonna admit to something that happened in hopes that it makes me look better" or "may as well give this info as I am town or neutral".

What other info? maybe Shadow Shinobi is totally aware that they are ignoring how insanely important last night is but wants to look dumb (please no offense taken bro) to avoid being lynched. Or maybe they are clueless? Either way, it's "proof" that if we can't ascertain obvious mafia that we can lynch SS because we won't lose much.

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So third thing: TMR getting lynched was mostly Town caused. Nanimani-The-Village-Member started that lynch with less than half a day left, whilst TPK and Nani were both 6/8 needed to be lynched. Both TPK and Nani had been basically decided by everyone to be Town and it was more about finding info from one of their deaths...

As can be seen from scum reflexively targeting Nanimani who had been all but declared town during Day 1 at night - and failing - we can factor in them not changing their lynch targets from TPK or Nani to TheMaskedReader.
Not to mention, Scum would not WANT to change the day one Lynch Target from an active poster with lots of heat and dealing out dirt, as it makes for an easy Town Protective night phase...

So I HOPE my logic is reasonable enough when I say that atk50, Winged Cat, shadow shinobi are among the most in suspicion. I don't really think Scum would want to kill TPK as much as Nani during night phase, since TPK is SUPER FRICKING ANGST MAKING relative to most other players. Like, literally every game I see TPK getting hated on for how he does things. Also he was a main initial proponent of the "let's lynch Nanimani because she was saying xyz"

So, fellow newbie, as I don't wanna take out atk50 or Winged Cat atm (neither of them have been mentioned to be doing "scum tells" that I recall):

[X] Lynch shadow shinobi
Was in my PM, of course. Since I don't have factionmates, apparently I got a birds-eye view to do with as I please. And since the spotlight's on me, now's a good a time as any to use it.



Eh? If I read what you're saying correctly, you are suggesting 7 factions w/2 people each, and then my 1-person faction. Wouldn't that be closer to Ritual?

7 Town/3 Cult is my assumption, but it seems the likeliest balance to me. It could also be 8 Town/2 Cult, or even 6 Town/2 Cult/3 Wizards/3 Hunters (and 1 Flamebearer). But I know we have Town vs. Cult and Wizards vs. Hunters in some combination.

Also, just to pass the spotlight along:

[X] Lynch Shadow Shinobi

...oh....oh

Well now to defend myself the best I can. sorry if I worded my post wrong was that nothing there is nothing that happened that would take our attention discussing for the rest of day phase.

As for Winged cat they never really gave a reason for why they went for me so I'll just pin it down to me being untrustworthy not sure how I can change their view.
Damn quote fuckups.

[X] Lynch Shadow Shinobi
Nani yeah I have no idea how to change your vote but please?

So for my vote I vote for no one right now I have no opinions on who to vote against.
 
So I HOPE my logic is reasonable enough when I say that atk50, Winged Cat, shadow shinobi are among the most in suspicion. I don't really think Scum would want to kill TPK as much as Nani during night phase, since TPK is SUPER FRICKING ANGST MAKING relative to most other players. Like, literally every game I see TPK getting hated on for how he does things. Also he was a main initial proponent of the "let's lynch Nanimani because she was saying xyz"

I never saw a policy-able action from him, nor did I see anyone as sus enough to switch off of my meme vote on nani, which as you know I had for the entire day. Also this: (who the fuck goes to kill the second or third most talkative and second most focused down on lynching and doesn't expect town roles to be protecting). There was no reason to believe there was a protective role. You wouldn't make a very good mafia, although you could just be faking it.

Nothing happened to me last night that I am aware of.



Yeah, I don't post much, as previously established. But I believe it is time for me to reveal anyway.



Try five total factions:
  1. Town
  2. Cult (scum/mafia)
  3. Wizards
  4. Hunters
  5. The flamebearer - me, a solo faction
No I didn't start with y'all's faction names and colors, though we know what the wizards' are. To my knowledge, it's town vs. cult and wizards vs. hunters. Each faction wins if its opposite is dead, it still has at least one member alive, and the other pair have settled their differences. That is: game is over when at most one of town or cult, and at most one of wizards or hunters, is still alive; whichever faction(s) still have at least one member left at that time win.

I win if I'm still alive when the game ends. If anyone investigates me, they will see me as their respective enemy faction. (Which suggests someone - probably at least Town - has an investigator.) That said, anyone with a faction chat can confirm I'm not one of them.

I also have a one-shot night kill ability (I'm not sure if stating my kill flavor is PM-quoting, but given my faction it'll be obvious), that I could be pressured into using as evidence. I believe (Town+Cult) is more numerous than (Wizards+Hunters), especially now that one of the latter is out. (My hunch is that we started with 7 Town, 3 Mafia, 2 Wizards, 2 Hunters, and 1 Flamebearer.) Also, almost everyone pretends to be Town in this thread. So...Town, will you accept this as evidence, and if so can you agree on who you want me to kill tonight (or would you rather I wait for another night, since I can only do this once)?

I find this ironic as heck given my signup message. But I'll take it!

This setup idea is so complicated for a potential fake-claim that I'm inclined to believe you, for the time being. We'll revisit this one when we have more info.
 
This setup idea is so complicated for a potential fake-claim that I'm inclined to believe you, for the time being. We'll revisit this one when we have more info.
Could be rolecop Maf who hit lucky and found a Hunter. See a wizard, see a Hunter, assume they're made for one another, get easy gratitude and separation from Town by giving out slightly doctored info. Maybe keep the Hunter in mind for if they start to reach majority, or need a scapegoat.

Admittedly that's complete paranoia on how the info could be technically correct but be obtained by different means. Happy to believe him for now, agree it seems too complex to be made up.
 
Well with a kill being thrown at Nani and failing I think it's safe to assume they're pretty much almost guaranteed town right? So there's that at least.
With a group name like 'Hunters' I'm inclined to believe that one of them has a watcher or tracking ability of some sort. Of course, their decision whether or not to support town means anything said would have to be taken with some caution.

Man, this extra layer of paranoia and mistrust is starting to mess with my jive.

Hm. shadow does seem to be acting a bit dodgy at the moment. Slightly suss, but I dunno how much of that dodginess is intentional malice towards town. I'm of the mind to wait and see their response when under duress before hammering it in. Since there's only 3 at the mo, I'll drop one to add on pressure.

[x] lynch shadow shinobi

@shadow shinobi Granted you're not in a big a hole as Nani or TPK yesterday, but if you wanna convince people to not vote for you, you gotta give some sort of reasoning why you're not a good choice for lynch or point out another person you believe is more suspicious to warrant the noose.
 
Well with a kill being thrown at Nani and failing I think it's safe to assume they're pretty much almost guaranteed town right? So there's that at least.
With a group name like 'Hunters' I'm inclined to believe that one of them has a watcher or tracking ability of some sort. Of course, their decision whether or not to support town means anything said would have to be taken with some caution.

Man, this extra layer of paranoia and mistrust is starting to mess with my jive.

Hm. shadow does seem to be acting a bit dodgy at the moment. Slightly suss, but I dunno how much of that dodginess is intentional malice towards town. I'm of the mind to wait and see their response when under duress before hammering it in. Since there's only 3 at the mo, I'll drop one to add on pressure.

[x] lynch shadow shinobi

@shadow shinobi Granted you're not in a big a hole as Nani or TPK yesterday, but if you wanna convince people to not vote for you, you gotta give some sort of reasoning why you're not a good choice for lynch or point out another person you believe is more suspicious to warrant the noose.
You are actually the fifth vote, it's just that someone said 'vote' as opposed to 'lynch'.
 
Did Winged Cat's reveal cause Hunters and Wizard to start being quiet? or are most people asleep or crafting complex responses?

Well now to defend myself the best I can. sorry if I worded my post wrong was that nothing there is nothing that happened that would take our attention discussing for the rest of day phase.

As for Winged cat they never really gave a reason for why they went for me so I'll just pin it down to me being untrustworthy not sure how I can change their view.

Nani yeah I have no idea how to change your vote but please?

So for my vote I vote for no one right now I have no opinions on who to vote against.

Thanks for clarifying your statement a bit more, though I still think what with everything revealed today you're incorrect.

As for the "no idea how to change your vote but please?", generally giving information that puts you as Town or at least neutral will do it. I guess you could mess with Winged Cat's claim? Though you did sort of miss that opportunity by not giving false info...

If Winged Cat is correct, and also the 7-3-2-2-1 set-up is the right one, your complete reticence to give personal info puts you as the last Traditional Wizard, or one of the three mafia.

If you are the last Traditional Wizard, then honestly it would be worth letting them get their win condition in order to gain 2 extra town allied votes for the rest of the game.

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I never saw a policy-able action from him, nor did I see anyone as sus enough to switch off of my meme vote on nani, which as you know I had for the entire day. Also this: (who the fuck goes to kill the second or third most talkative and second most focused down on lynching and doesn't expect town roles to be protecting). There was no reason to believe there was a protective role. You wouldn't make a very good mafia, although you could just be faking it...

Good thing I am not mafia :). My assumption on there being a town protective role was partially based upon every normal mafia game, ToS, and the comments in thread saying there probably is one. If I were mafia, even if I thought there might not be a T.P. I would have gone for a middling in speaking player to avoid any real chance to have my night messed with. Or I would just go along with what the other mafia say...
 
If Winged Cat is correct, and also the 7-3-2-2-1 set-up is the right one, your complete reticence to give personal info puts you as the last Traditional Wizard, or one of the three mafia.

I'm not sure I'd jump to that conclusion, but SS is a bit sus, yes. Is it time for more people to roleclaim yet? That might help.

If you are the last Traditional Wizard, then honestly it would be worth letting them get their win condition in order to gain 2 extra town allied votes for the rest of the game.

If we believe the last wizard has gone to ground, who hasn't posted since N1 yet?
 
Cannot participate. Replace or modkill. damn well should have known better than to join a game but fit of mania had such good ideas.
 
... Sigh. I'll see if I can arrange a replacement.
Can we just not? I know it sucks, but so does somebody joining a game of Mafia and then quiting. Maybe, if there's actual negative consequences for dropping, the community will disincentivize players to join when they know that they shouldn't!
 
Can we just not? I know it sucks, but so does somebody joining a game of Mafia and then quiting. Maybe, if there's actual negative consequences for dropping, the community will disincentivize players to join when they know that they shouldn't!
Honestly in agreement here.
 
Can we just not? I know it sucks, but so does somebody joining a game of Mafia and then quiting. Maybe, if there's actual negative consequences for dropping, the community will disincentivize players to join when they know that they shouldn't!
I'll think about it. I've contacted @Cakestepid as a possible replacement, since he did sign up in the first place. At the very least, if I cannot arrange a replacement by night 2, I'm modkilling regardless of how I feel about it.
 
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