(Warhammer) The Emperor's background and the issue with him wanting to be a god

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Literally the same 4-5 people keep dicking on him for what he believes, and he's earnestly trying to come up with an argument. He's met with snark and ridicule as his only response. Can you really call it a discussion if you're laughed out of the room? All I see is a popularity contest on one side, and a man trying to make his voice heard in a sea of condescension. They know better then him, so he should just shut up and get back in line. Everything is normal here, pip pop cheerio.
Again, asking for him to explain what he believes is not tyranny, and posting the same quotes without any context is not earnestly trying to come up with an argument.
 
Literally the same 4-5 people keep dicking on him for what he believes, and he's earnestly trying to come up with an argument. He's met with snark and ridicule as his only response. Can you really call it a discussion if you're laughed out of the room? All I see is a popularity contest on one side, and a man trying to make his voice heard in a sea of condescension. They know better then him, so he should just shut up and get back in line. Everything is normal here, pip pop cheerio.

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I don't believe in suppressing someone because of what they said. That's tyranny.
Since is asking for someone to elaborate his arguments instead of just randomly posting things without context bullying
 
Literally the same 4-5 people keep dicking on him for what he believes, and he's earnestly trying to come up with an argument. He's met with snark and ridicule as his only response. Can you really call it a discussion if you're laughed out of the room? All I see is a popularity contest on one side, and a man trying to make his voice heard in a sea of condescension. They know better then him, so he should just shut up and get back in line. Everything is normal here, pip pop cheerio.

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I don't believe in suppressing someone because of what they said. That's tyranny.
My definition of tyranny is different and this does not fit the definition of tyranny. I am right.
 
Literally the same 4-5 people keep dicking on him for what he believes, and he's earnestly trying to come up with an argument.
Its fact, not what I think. I am right.
I know more about fascism than you do.
Sure my dude.
I don't believe in suppressing someone because of what they said. That's tyranny.
You call people debating internet bullies. Bullying is something bad and also against the rules. Thus logically you should be reporting it.

That's not tyranny, that's common sense.
 
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Rule 4: Don't be Disruptive - Respect the Arguments
Stop ignoring us and tell us what in Augenis' illuminated bosom you want to talk about instead of posting these contextless excerpts or bizarre rants that go nowhere and say nothing.

You as well put up quotes that do not have context.

Below is a quote in Prince of Crows. I did not create this thread to argue about what this came to though it came to this and I just went with it. ADB wrote Betrayer and Prince of Crows.

Night Haunter: "There was no other way."
Sev: "No? What other ways did you try?"
Night Haunter: "Sevatar…"
Sev: "Answer me, father. What politics of peace did you teach? What scientific and social illumination did you bring to this society? In your quest for a human utopia, what other ways did you try beyond eating the flesh of stray dogs and skinning people alive?"
Night Haunter: "It. Was. The. Only. Way."
Sev: "The only way to do what? The only way to bring a population to heel? How then did the other primarchs manage it? How has world upon world managed it, without resorting to butchering children and broadcasting their screams across the planetary vox-net?"
Night Haunter: "Their world were never as… as serene as mine was."
Sev: "And the serenity of yours died the second your back was turned. So tell me again how you succeeded. Tell me again how this all worked perfectly."
Night Haunter: "You overstep your bounds, First Captain."
Sev: "How can you lie to me like this? How can you lie to yourself? I stand here, inside your mind, witnessing a theatre of your own memories. Your way is the Eighth Legion way, now. But it has never been the only way. Just the easiest way."
 
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Killer
Buddy
Dude
Sweetie
Stop.

No one here cares. We have said over and over that just because some space marines held moral qualms with the actions of the worst of their forces does not absolve them from guilt or make them good people. If my roommate killed someone and threw their body in a wood chipper but I did nothing except for wag my finger and tell him he went too far. Then I would still be crazy on the hook for accessory to murder. It doesn't fucking matter if Gulliman or the lion or whoever personally disliked Angron or Corvaxs methods if they didnt kill or him or do anything to stop him. And that goes triple for big daddy emps who could stop it all with a whisper.
 
I did not create this thread to argue about what this came to though it came to this and I just went with it.
Then why did you put this thread up for? Discussion threads are usually to, ya know, discuss stuff and exchange opinions and ideas, but your OP only seem to be there to say you disagree with an idea of the Emperor expressed in the book. Well, no, not that you disagree, but that you stated to be outright false.

As you yourself said:

So if this is all objectively true, why on earth did you make a thread on a seemingly obviously objectively true fact? Did you want pages of posts agreeing with you and self-congratulating in a circlejerk? What kinda discussion is that?
Then, I ask again, what was the thread's point, because I don't get it.
 
Why do you people keep responding to the guy if you don't care? Just unfollow the thread if it's such a big deal, lol. I know I am, this thread is just some guy quoting text and people being snarky at him. Zero entertainment and waste of everyone's time. Unless you're an internet troll trevor's axiom def took place in this thread :p

This thread should've been closed 5 pages ago due to derailing anyway.
 
Why do you people keep responding to the guy if you don't care? Just unfollow the thread if it's such a big deal, lol. I know I am, this thread is just some guy quoting text and people being snarky at him. Zero entertainment and waste of everyone's time. Unless you're an internet troll trevor's axiom def took place in this thread :p

This thread should've been closed 5 pages ago due to derailing anyway.
Maybe it's masochism or plain stupidity on my part but I really do want to try to get through with Killer. I recently actually got back into 40k (Tau are cool) and I really enjoy it but I also feel somewhat obligated to do my best to talk with people like him.

Because in the end it's okay to like things that are problematic or filled with immoral characters. I like dune and 40k and asoiaf and a whole bunch of stuff like that. The problem is when you become so attached your worldview becomes tainted by the feedback. Then you can lead yourself some rather unpleasant roads.
 
Killer
Buddy
Dude
Sweetie
Stop.

No one here cares. We have said over and over that just because some space marines held moral qualms with the actions of the worst of their forces does not absolve them from guilt or make them good people. If my roommate killed someone and threw their body in a wood chipper but I did nothing except for wag my finger and tell him he went too far. Then I would still be crazy on the hook for accessory to murder. It doesn't fucking matter if Gulliman or the lion or whoever personally disliked Angron or Corvaxs methods if they didnt kill or him or do anything to stop him. And that goes triple for big daddy emps who could stop it all with a whisper.


My quotes would not be here if the Emperor is as horrible as you said.

The Emperor is a conqueror. He is ruthless, though not as ruthless as Angron and Curze. I think his children are his personality to the extreme, yes?


The Horus Heresy books imply the Emperor was going to chastise Curze. The Horus Heresy stopped it.

The Angron quote is in the Rules of Engagement short story (the name of the story shows you much) in Age of Darkness.

I am going to see about Fallout 5 in my thread.
 
round and round we go, where we stop, we all know because it's an endless loop of defending genocidal rulers and torturers as not all that bad
 
My quotes would not be here if the Emperor is as horrible as you said.

The Emperor is a conqueror. He is ruthless, though not as ruthless as Angron and Curze. I think his children are his personality to the extreme, yes?


The Horus Heresy books imply the Emperor was going to chastise Curze. The Horus Heresy stopped it.

The Angron quote is in the Rules of Engagement short story (the name of the story shows you much) in Age of Darkness.

I am going to see about Fallout 5 in my thread.
Its a bit ambiguous to the exact date but there was roughly a span of a hundred and twenty years between the various primarchs being found and the start of the heresy which means even if we are being the most generous we can possibly be, the emperor knew about Curze being a psycho monster and the way he "subdued" planets for literal decades. He had plenty of time to "chastise" him. Or you know, throw him on trial for his numerous war crimes, like the reasonable leader you are treating him like. Its not like he didnt have the time or the ability either since he had enough to bomb the shit out of Monarchia because Logar was doing a religion. He also personally gave the ruling on the council of Nikea which definitely shows he knew and cared about the conduct of the legions, he just cared more if they used psykers or prayed rather than if they slaughtered civilians wholesale.
 
Stop: Rule 4: Don't be disruptive
You as well put up quotes that do not have context.

Below is a quote in Prince of Crows. I did not create this thread to argue about what this came to though it came to this and I just went with it. ADB wrote Betrayer and Prince of Crows.

Night Haunter: "There was no other way."
Sev: "No? What other ways did you try?"
Night Haunter: "Sevatar…"
Sev: "Answer me, father. What politics of peace did you teach? What scientific and social illumination did you bring to this society? In your quest for a human utopia, what other ways did you try beyond eating the flesh of stray dogs and skinning people alive?"
Night Haunter: "It. Was. The. Only. Way."
Sev: "The only way to do what? The only way to bring a population to heel? How then did the other primarchs manage it? How has world upon world managed it, without resorting to butchering children and broadcasting their screams across the planetary vox-net?"
Night Haunter: "Their world were never as… as serene as mine was."
Sev: "And the serenity of yours died the second your back was turned. So tell me again how you succeeded. Tell me again how this all worked perfectly."
Night Haunter: "You overstep your bounds, First Captain."
Sev: "How can you lie to me like this? How can you lie to yourself? I stand here, inside your mind, witnessing a theatre of your own memories. Your way is the Eighth Legion way, now. But it has never been the only way. Just the easiest way."
rule 4: don't be disruptive When you begin or engage in a debate, it is expected that you will actively participate in that debate or remove yourself. You do not have to engage with other posters, but it is expected that when you do, you will do so in good faith and not simply post block quotes. A debate is, first and foremost, a discussion and without discussions of a viewpoint there can be no debate. In this thread you have shown no willingness to discuss your arguments at all and thus you have been infracted for it.
 
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