Torroar seems to have pointed out your concerns aren't valid simply because of what you worried will happen. As for it being different from the orcs current mindset guess what? Dranosh is planning on changing the orcs culture.
Well, I could get behind that.
Mm, actually, I kinda dislike the Naaru, but if we can't avoid dealing with them, well, we can't avoid dealing with them...
Yes, and it will be an Orc changing Mag'har culture from being Orcish to being a different type of Orcish, not pseudo-Human or pseudo-Draenei or whatever. And that's not at all what Torroar just said, but I'm guessing you said that based on something you half-remembered from many pages back.
Looks like there are now Ogre colonists in that place we could've colonized... great...
This is starting to get annoying. Especially since you keep on saying I want to change our culture into something pseudo-human or pseudo-draenei. Stop strawmanning what I am saying. Just because I want the light does it mean I want to change the orcs society to resemble the draenei or the alliances. Do I want them to become more civilized? Sure. However I don't want to copy their societies simply because they are that suitable for orcs that aren't raised like humans and draenei.
Also FYI the Draenei didn't use the light first. They used arcane and then switched to Fel Energy and the light respectively.
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Obviously, that just means we should bonk them over the head and take over. Lots of Ogres used to be part of the Horde - IMO, if they want it, they certainly have a place among the Mag'har.
(Now if they do want that place, or if we can make them desire it, well, that's the real question.)
I'm only strawmanning if you happen to read everything in my posts as accusatory, which would be silly and you should feel silly for doing that.
I'm not saying you want to do that, just that doing it the way the Draenei or Humans do it would in fact make us more like the Draenei or the Humans. Now, as Torroar noted, we don't necessarily have to do it that way, and that's why we should stop talking about it because that was my point of contention from the very start and context matters.
And the "Draenei used the Light first" was pretty obviously in reference to Druidism and Shamanism. Because, yanno, those were the two things you brought up in the post that I responded to. Again, context. You can't just establish it and then ignore it.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Looks like the Bleeding Hollow clan is shaping up to become our resident Arcane specialists which is good, now we just need to shut down that demon portal before to many bad guys show up.
Also any idea where Akama would be? Getting that badass on our side would be very helpful.
Also any idea where Akama would be? Getting that badass on our side would be very helpful.
No your strawmanning my arguments simply because I disagree with you on something. This is how it's evident that you kept saying it would mean adopting non-orcish culture. And again that's still inaccurate in regards to Arcane energy.
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I'm not really heated. I just dislike it when someone debates dishonestly, gets caught, and then denies doing so. If anything it made me just not value his opinion or ability to have a honest debate as I once did. But yeah I can understand you wanting it to stop before it becomes a big argument.
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Massgamer
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Any ideas what has the Boulder Fist running scared? I think it mite be a demon or a demonically enchanced Ogre. Whatever it is if we defeat it and focus on at least warm relations with the Ogres they may want to join us due to being the strongest.
Yes, when someone tells you to break it off, say "I'm not really heated" and then repeatedly insult the one you were debating with. Makes sense. Christ.
I'm not. What I am is something of a blunt person. If I thinking something about someone I will say it to their face. But torroar said to drop it. So let's drop it.
Yes, when someone tells you to break it off, say "I'm not really heated" and then repeatedly insult the one you were debating with. Makes sense. Christ.
"I'm not really insulting you, I'm just saying what I think about you, which happens to be insulting."
Seriously?
That's like saying a threat isn't a threat because it's a promise.
This is the Internet. You have time to consider your words. You don't have to say the first things that comes to mind.
Sinsystems
Patron Librarian
Odds are it's a Gronn or even a few of them, likely Durn the Hungerer.
Derek58
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They don't engage someone if they annoy you. It takes two to have an argument.
FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
I'd say we deal with the Light focused factions diplomatically. The Naaru should certainly be possible to have reasonable dealings with and the rest should at a bare minimum be possible to convince of the of the following points:
1. We are not with the demons.
2. The demons and the demon worshippers are worse than us.
3. Destroy the demons first.
If we start to add the Light as a part of our own group we might be overdiversifying. We might simply be better of picking a few things to be good in. I suspect shamanism and arcane magic are well capable of taking up the niches in our society for this sort of thing. Maybe some orcs will try it for themselves but I think we don't need to push our culture towards it.
1. We are not with the demons.
2. The demons and the demon worshippers are worse than us.
3. Destroy the demons first.
If we start to add the Light as a part of our own group we might be overdiversifying. We might simply be better of picking a few things to be good in. I suspect shamanism and arcane magic are well capable of taking up the niches in our society for this sort of thing. Maybe some orcs will try it for themselves but I think we don't need to push our culture towards it.
Didn't torroar say not to do that? I am very much relaxed. It takes me ether being really passionate about a subject or people refusing to listen or give me valid reasons why something won't work or isn't possible. People saying something like this will happen if we do this when they don't know that and refuse to listen to points like we could adopt it to our culture or what not.
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@nightblade
@alguLoD
Please stop talking to one another.
Also, please don't say stuff like that about nightblade
@alguLoD
Please stop talking to one another.
Also, please don't say stuff like that about nightblade
According to the Frozen Throne loading screen, he'll be somewhere in Hellfire Peninsula at some point, before that, he seems to have wandered a bit.
Thank you. I know I'm not the most easy person to interact with. And that I can be a bit abrasive.
I'll do it, but I'll just say it was kinda hard not to respond when he flagrantly flouted the spirit of your words and proceeded to blatantly insult me the last time you said this.
FullNothingness
Mostly DHMO.
Also on a different topic, does anyone else get the impression that trying to recover Garrosh might just not be worth the effort? I mean he isn't really making a lot of progress and we have other capable warriors to take over his role. The only real concern is what would happen to his clan if we do let him deal with his own issues.
No, that's a bad idea.
It doesn't really cost us anything significant to help him out and he's a big asset. Getting rid of him would cause a raging shitstorm.