Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Not really.
Canonically, the Arrakoa were divided into the sun worshippers, and the exiles who some of them worshipped Anzu. When Outland exploded, only the latter survived, and they got twisted towards their god of evil.
Nianque
Verified Dragon
I could have sworn there were small groups left of the former.
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
- Location
- The Future
Only 'good' group I know of is one that would eventually start being led by a Naaru so they are not a thing yet.
However that event in canon implies that when Naaru do come they can possibly gather some Arrakoa and help with their madness. After all light could just be seen as another version of their Sun.
That is for later though if at all possible.
Massgamer
Advance toward the Future
- Location
- The Future
Well technically lots of suns in Nether just far away as Outland flies past it all in the void between.
Maybe the solar tech could work if Light was used as a replacement? I mean the Draenei have their crystals that could possibly provide power but all that sounds like something that would require research and not really on our side of things.
Speaking of which I wonder what kinda independent action Velen and his Draenei are taking in general. I know he is mostly focusing on reviving Naaru and sending warriors to help Alliance but wonder if they are doing anything else interesting that we just haven't noticed.
Also, this indicates that the rest of Draenor might've survived the disaster. Well, mostly survived the disaster. Reintegrating Outland with Draenor might be possible, offering a more stable world and considerable expansion potential.
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
once we're able to do planetary geo-engineering we're probably in the postgame.
Painful. Hopefully we can still become the largest faction in terms of territory size and population.
The Alliance might be able to get the Dark Portal connected to Azeroth. And the Horde will probably get Legion reinforcements as long as they can keep a grip on Shadowmoon.
We have no such advantages, as such, we need a strong position in the here. Or at least good relations with one or more interplanetary factions(consortium, Naaru etc).
That reminds me, @torroar have you watched the Rejection of the Gift? What's your take on it?
I'm aware. It's still something that we can point towards as a reason to hope.
ITS ALIVE!!!!!
That Ogre roll hurts here's hoping we can get them to reconsider after crushing the Boulderfist.
That Ogre roll hurts here's hoping we can get them to reconsider after crushing the Boulderfist.
Eh.
It doesn't seem to hurt us as much as the bare Arakkoa success hurt us(we spend multiple turns on that armour only for them to outright bypass it with magic. Rude).
I mean, it's bad for the Alliance to not have Mag'har or Ogre assistance(though it did give them time to work on their internal conflicts a little) but at least we are making allies, nipping potential new problems in the bud and helping to restore balance to the world(or what remains of it anyway).
Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
- Location
- United States
Plus they have the support of Velen now, and the Laughing Skulls are still sabotaging the Bonechewers, so they weren't really left out to dry in terms of aid.
Hopefully when we ride out to hit the Bonechewers, between our Metal Troops, potentially The Warmauls, The Alliance, and the Dranaior, we can crush them once and for all.
Well, bear in mind that I stopped playing WoD before the end game fight against Gul'dan even dropped, so...I'm likely missing quite a bit of context from the current goings on in WoW. I'm hearing things like shamans getting to run around with the Doomhammer, 'Class Halls' or whatever, Turalyon and Alleria being around and things like that, but don't have a lot of the contextual knowledge.
But I looked it up, and it looked like Illidan blowing up a Naaru. Who, based on the voice at least, seemed feminine. Thus, I feel somewhat confident in calling her a bitch cause she was totally forcing something on Illidan and being kind of jerkish and almost knight templarish. So it turns out that the embodiments of the Light itself - literally - can be jerks. Not that surprising. The Light can be used by Scarlet Crusaders and Argent Crusaders alike.
Honestly, I'd probably need more research to get a more detailed look at it.
Part of me rankles at Illidan being 'The Chosen One' though. I've never been as in-love with him the way that Blizzard seems to be.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
He's the Chosen One only in Xe'ra's fanfiction. That's the important thing you need to keep in mind.
Because for all that she's supposed to be the Prime Naaru, she's really, really bad at being a space angel. Given how she gives you a stretch of stuff through Illidan's point of view that basically tells you nothing you don't already know (He's an arrogant prick who does good more-or-less in spite of his attitude, rather than because of it--and most of his problems are all of his own making). But she tries putting it up as him being some brave and noble soul who was terminally misunderstood.
Then she gets blown up because when it turns out the subject of her prophecy (That only she and the people she talks at believe in apparently.), turns out not to be willing to play ball, tries to force him into doing it anyway, and kaboom.
Given how
Illidan's endgame is to imprison Sargeras in the shattered husk of Argus, by abusing the same Titan Relic that the Dark Titan used to try raising the essences of the ones he killed into his loyal followers, and then serve as the eternal warden of his prison... Well, yeah, he wouldn't have time to go and be the one who finally drives back the Darkness once and for all.
Or something.
It's far more likely to be any kids that Alleria and Turalyon have afterwards, because Alleria ends up putting a completely fallen Dark Naaru out of it's misery, and in doing so, ends up with its essence bonding with her, giving her the powers of a Shadow Hunter and a new voidform thing--while Turalyon is this ultimate paragon of the Light now
Or something.
It's far more likely to be any kids that Alleria and Turalyon have afterwards, because Alleria ends up putting a completely fallen Dark Naaru out of it's misery, and in doing so, ends up with its essence bonding with her, giving her the powers of a Shadow Hunter and a new voidform thing--while Turalyon is this ultimate paragon of the Light now
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The hilarious thing is. Had she given illidan time to think it over. It was very likely he probably would've accepted eventually. Because redemption of his sins is Very very good kool'aid
But nope. She gotta get rapey about it. And she touched his scars.
But yea. Light is not automatically good. Something something.
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The Maghar are balanced between the other two main factions since they can only gain numbers through natural reproduction and seeking allies.
Orcs are adults physically at 13 so its not as bad as humans, but its still a long time compared to the Fel Horde's "Lol Demon portals and rapid aging ftw".
Honestly the Alliance Expedition is the one that has to be the most careful. They were an invading army, not a colony expedition. So they just don't have the gender ratio to maintain their population easily, so they really need to bank on reopening the Dark Portal to Azeroth so they can get some real reinforcements. Other-wise, they are doomed to slow attrition against everything else.
Edit: Unfortunately for them, it took 2-3 decades for them to pull that off in canon. So they have a long while to go unless something really changes.
We need to continue to play smart with our forces also, we only have so many. Thankfully we seem to be building up a pretty good combined arms force with a lot of buffs for our troops.
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SneakyWalrus
Is the Water Free?
Rejection of the Gift can effectively be summed up as this;
Illidan: Sometimes the Hand of Fate must be forced!
(Proceeds to summon the crown world of the Burning Legion, Argus, which is also now the apparent reason demons can respawn instead of just being the Twisted Nether, directly into orbit above Azeroth, thus forcing an even greater war onto Azeroth)
Illidan: What the hell, don't force your fate on me!
(When Xe'ra tried to forcefully unfuck the arrogant, entitled fuckboy that is Illidan into being a member of the Army of Light)
In conclusion; we must kill Illidan the moment he turns up, just to prevent this mangled abortion of a story line from ever happening.
I thought that was a given?
- Location
- United States of America
Well I mean...there were female elves , and are currently female orcs and dreinie I doubt some of the lower ranked humans are gonna care after a bit o integration and shathara city being up and running.
I think when the portal opens up (if everything goes well ) both the alliance and horde are gonna be very confused and conflicted about the halfbreeds running about.
Female Orcs.....in the Alliance camp....only 7 years after Warcraft 2 BTDP?
Yeah no, that isn't a thing. And currently the Alliance is spilt between "kill on sight" and "ignore" on the whole Maghar issue.
As for female elves? Well sure, but there weren't a lot of elves in the expedition to begin with, and a bunch of them are guys, and lastly elves aren't really known for being.....fecund. Very low birthrates. Like Alleria has a kid with Turalyon and all but she is like 3000+ years old and she isn't ever mentioned as being a mother prior to that. Same thing with both of her sisters.
Hell, Kael'thas's father Anesterian was alive during the troll wars 3000+ years ago, but Kael'thas is his only (living?) child.
TLDR: Don't rely on hot elven chicks to replenish your ranks via childbirth.
- Location
- Detroit, Michigan
Re: Naru/Fate chat; my two cents
Naru are very much alien beings in that they don't think like us ("us" in the case being mortals in WoW in general). Take that one Naru that allowed itself to be captured when Kael took Tempest Keep. It allowed itself to have it's power stolen/drained to power the first Blood Elf Paladins, to such an extent that it became a Fallen Naru/Void Creature (a very much Not Good thing to happen) all because it knew that the end result of that decision is that it would result in the re-ignition of the Sunwell thus freeing the Blood Elves from having to subsist on Demonic Fel energy (literally the magical equivalent of crack cut with meth).
Basically, if a Naru sees that the end result of it's actions will result in a great enough Good, then it will absolutely take those actions even though from the perspective of mortals "in the moment" the actions seem absolutely bonkers/cause a lot of Bad in the meantime. My current belief is that's what Xe'ra was doing with her actions. In the moment? Really fucking creepy and all that noise. But in the end? Well we'll have to see, but I'm pretty sure the chain of events will make sense in hindsight once it's all said and done.
Naru are very much alien beings in that they don't think like us ("us" in the case being mortals in WoW in general). Take that one Naru that allowed itself to be captured when Kael took Tempest Keep. It allowed itself to have it's power stolen/drained to power the first Blood Elf Paladins, to such an extent that it became a Fallen Naru/Void Creature (a very much Not Good thing to happen) all because it knew that the end result of that decision is that it would result in the re-ignition of the Sunwell thus freeing the Blood Elves from having to subsist on Demonic Fel energy (literally the magical equivalent of crack cut with meth).
Basically, if a Naru sees that the end result of it's actions will result in a great enough Good, then it will absolutely take those actions even though from the perspective of mortals "in the moment" the actions seem absolutely bonkers/cause a lot of Bad in the meantime. My current belief is that's what Xe'ra was doing with her actions. In the moment? Really fucking creepy and all that noise. But in the end? Well we'll have to see, but I'm pretty sure the chain of events will make sense in hindsight once it's all said and done.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
That's not entirely accurate.
Demons respawn somewhere by default unless slain in a place suffused with Fel or the Twisting Nether (Which is a chaotic mass of fucking everything and it serves the same purpose). Argus though (Specifically, the Burning Throne of Antorus) is what lets them respawn in a specific place with all of their memories and powers intact, so they can be marched right into the grindstone again immediately.
Basically, it eliminates the need to comb the universe for your soldiers once they respawn, because they all respawn at the exact same place. Which is also the locus of their portal networks, since ultimately, every major campaign the Legion executes is routed through Argus at some point.
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