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Deathwings said:
The original woman. So independent and headstrong, God had to go out of his way to make Eve inherently submissive to Adam after Lilith left. :lol2:
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More like, Adam was such a dick that Lilith didn't mind being told to leave and make her own garden out there. ;)

I mean... in the original story, there were three women and two of them weren't good enough for him until God finally made the third woman (Eve) AND told Adam that he wasn't making any more for Adam, so he might as well as take Eve or leave her. If he was going to leave her, then God was going to make another man, this time for Eve.
In fact, it was implied that he already created men for both Lilith and the second unnamed woman. This would mean that everyone else was paired up expect him, and Adam couldn't have that at all so he finally accepted the third woman offered to him. Imagine that, he stopped being so picky about his women when God told him that he wasn't there to cater to Adam's every desire. :p

About the unnamed woman... The second woman was unnamed on account of the fact that Adam refused to give her a name, because he thought she was too disgusting to be around. The truth was that she wasn't bad looking, that's just God made the mistake of letting Adam watch the entire process of how a woman was made. Bones first, flesh second, etc.... So, as a result, Adam just found her revolting because he was reminded of that every time he looked at her. Which I imagine did wonders for her self-esteem. He even told god that there was no way he was gonna sleep with the woman... so hence Eve was made.

I never understood why the people who made the bible didn't go with that version of the story... it would've explained where all those other tribes of humans beings came from when Adam and Eve's children finally encountered them.

But I guess the people who were collecting the religious texts to put into the bible didn't like the idea of the first man being such a selfish asshole. After all, if Eve ate the apple and Adam himself is a massive asshole, that would imply that the entire human race was flawed and a bunch of assholes from the very start! That man was responsible for humankind's sins just as much as women were.... gasp, we can't have that at all, can we? :p ;)
 
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That is because the stories of Lilith and the other woman were invented much later, during the medieval age.
 
Kagemoto said:
If Taylor is feeling the full weight of his sins then I don't think they can go to hell

or at least not in human hell
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Well, my original thought was that siezing control of the entire para-humanity in all the worlds to bully and kill some dude with harming\getting killed dozen of controlled humans in process is probably sinful enough to make a number this high. Ofc, Taylor did the right things to do in given situations. But from the perspective of abstract sins without context (killing is killing, no matter what, and e.t.c.) it might be hella lot of them.

I just don't understand how or why sins got transfered, so I think it might be just Taylor refusing her sin-number as consequence of her own actions. But I may be wrong, just a guess.


Edit: animals (at least, in this fic) are going to same hell/heaven, so...
 
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Striga said:
Well, my original thought was that siezing control of the entire para-humanity in all the worlds to bully and kill some dude with harming\getting killed dozen of controlled humans in process is probably sinful enough to make a number this high. Ofc, Taylor did the right things to do in given situations. But from the perspective of abstract sins without context (killing is killing, no matter what, and e.t.c.) it might be hella lot of them.

I just don't understand how or why sins got transfered, so I think it might be just Taylor refusing her sin-number as consequence of her own actions. But I may be wrong, just a guess.


Edit: animals (at least, in this fic) are going to same hell/heaven, so...
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We had a WoG on this, she got Scion's sins because the bastard is literally soulless and the system needed to put those sins somewhere.
 
Aurora Moon said:
More like, Adam was such a dick that Lilith didn't mind being told to leave and make her own garden out there. ;)

I mean... in the original story, there were three women and two of them weren't good enough for him until God finally made the third woman (Eve) AND told Adam that he wasn't making any more for Adam, so he might as well as take Eve or leave her. If he was going to leave her, then God was going to make another man, this time for Eve.
In fact, it was implied that he already created men for both Lilith and the second unnamed woman. This would mean that everyone else was paired up expect him, and Adam couldn't have that at all so he finally accepted the third woman offered to him. Imagine that, he stopped being so picky about his women when God told him that he wasn't there to cater to Adam's every desire. :p

About the unnamed woman... The second woman was unnamed on account of the fact that Adam refused to give her a name, because he thought she was too disgusting to be around. The truth was that she wasn't bad looking, that's just God made the mistake of letting Adam watch the entire process of how a woman was made. Bones first, flesh second, etc.... So, as a result, Adam just found her revolting because he was reminded of that every time he looked at her. Which I imagine did wonders for her self-esteem. He even told god that there was no way he was gonna sleep with the woman... so hence Eve was made.

I never understood why the people who made the bible didn't go with that version of the story... it would've explained where all those other tribes of humans beings came from when Adam and Eve's children finally encountered them.

But I guess the people who were collecting the religious texts to put into the bible didn't like the idea of the first man being such a selfish asshole. After all, if Eve ate the apple and Adam himself is a massive asshole, that would imply that the entire human race was flawed and a bunch of assholes from the very start! That man was responsible for humankind's sins just as much as women were.... gasp, we can't have that at all, can we? :p ;)
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God Created man from his own image and all that

so no

no asshole Adam in the Canon

that stuff goes to the Apocrypha
 
Rgal said:
…did we read the same Bible? Because, uh… calling the Old Testament God an asshole is an understatement.
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I was just thinking this myself when I read that. God was going though an asshole edgelord teenage phase back then with all the crap he got up to in the old testament...
 
Rgal said:
…did we read the same Bible? Because, uh… calling the Old Testament God an asshole is an understatement.
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oh I know God was an asshole

the 12 plagues was overkill

especially when he hardened the Pharaoh's heart several times

I dont know why and im not even sure if im remembering that correctly
 
Kagemoto said:
oh I know God was an asshole

the 12 plagues was overkill

especially when he hardened the Pharaoh's heart several times

I dont know why and im not even sure if im remembering that correctly
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First, there were only ten plagues.
Second: Originally, when the Hebrews were simply one people among many and it was completely normal that other peoples would have their own gods to protect them, Yahwe (or whatever you want to call him) was simply the Hebrews' god of war. In the first tellings the story of the Ten Plagues was the story of Yahwe curbstomping the Egyptian gods; essentially "My god can beat up your god". Only later, when the tora was written down for the first time had the Hebrews declared Yahwe to only God in existence. That also lead to the hardening of the heart, because the Ten Plagues now needed a reason; there was no opponent there anymore.
 
Tzardok said:
First, there were only ten plagues.
Second: Originally, when the Hebrews were simply one people among many and it was completely normal that other peoples would have their own gods to protect them, Yahwe (or whatever you want to call him) was simply the Hebrews' god of war. In the first tellings the story of the Ten Plagues was the story of Yahwe curbstomping the Egyptian gods; essentially "My god can beat up your god". Only later, when the tora was written down for the first time had the Hebrews declared Yahwe to only God in existence. That also lead to the hardening of the heart, because the Ten Plagues now needed a reason; there was no opponent there anymore.
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No.

The tora is pretty frank about Yahwe being the only god of the Israeli tribes. It does not declare that there are no other gods worshiped by other people, only that he is the god of the Israeli tribes and more powerful than those other gods. Mostly on the basis of, well, being the god of the people writing the tora and 'my god beats your god' is a very old story.

I'm fairly confident that most Jewish sects likewise don't declare 'there is no other god', but declare 'we worship this god and this god alone'. The idea that God is the only god in existence and the rest are false gods at best seems to be more a Christian/Islamic thing, and more prominent in the more actively and aggressively evangelizing sects of those faiths.
 
Could those who wish to discuss religion do so in the relevant thread?
Because this is a derail.
 
Tzardok said:
Second: Originally, when the Hebrews were simply one people among many and it was completely normal that other peoples would have their own gods to protect them, Yahwe (or whatever you want to call him) was simply the Hebrews' god of war. In the first tellings the story of the Ten Plagues was the story of Yahwe curbstomping the Egyptian gods; essentially "My god can beat up your god". Only later, when the tora was written down for the first time had the Hebrews declared Yahwe to only God in existence. That also lead to the hardening of the heart, because the Ten Plagues now needed a reason; there was no opponent there anymore.
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And of course you have cites for all these interesting claims.

Hazard said:
I'm fairly confident that most Jewish sects likewise don't declare 'there is no other god'
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Tehilim 115 strongly suggests all idols are false gods. However AFAIK you're right about it not saying that in the torah.
 
At this point I am not sure that Taylor can control bugs anymore, but that she is the incarnation of bug life. Like how Swamp Thing is of the Green, she is now of the Bug.

Just saying, she sacrificed everything to save as many as possible, becoming an elemental of bugs would be more of an unrecognized reward than a punishment. Sent unknowingly to Hell to help Charlie on her quest to find salvation.
 
That actually makes sense. Especially with how ahe managed to kill Scion. Although with all of his accrued deals helping her as much as his sins are hindering her ... Yea I wonder how she reacts to Charlie's parents being uncomfortable and exceedingly polite around her.
 
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