Valkyria Chronicles 4 coming to PlayStation 4/Xbox One/Switch in 2018

I don't want to protect the Federation and do think they aren't the best of guys here, but... this is one life that could potentially stop a war sooner. This isn't nice, not good or moral... but this is something I can understand, at least.
Oh, I can certainly understand it. I just also find it absolutely contemptible on so many levels.

Like, perhaps I'm reacting a lot more strong to this because I've seen it used far more often than not as an excuse for contemptible behaviour by the nominally more moral faction, but just because an action is understandable doesn't make it acceptable. It doesn't make it not an absolutely terrible and contemptible thing.

This is an important distinction that many more stories and their fans need to hammer home.
 
Oh, I can certainly understand it. I just also find it absolutely contemptible on so many levels.

Like, perhaps I'm reacting a lot more strong to this because I've seen it used far more often than not as an excuse for contemptible behaviour by the nominally more moral faction, but just because an action is understandable doesn't make it acceptable. It doesn't make it not an absolutely terrible and contemptible thing.

This is an important distinction that many more stories and their fans need to hammer home.
Well, I'll have to disagree with you, then.

Even if it's contemptible or underhanded, as long as it ensues a faster end to the war, it can be acceptable. It's not a morally superior choice, but if more people end up alive as the result, I consider this to be acceptable.

I don't find this to be the most preferable choice, however, but this is a choice I'm at least willing to accept.
 
Even if it's contemptible or underhanded, as long as it ensues a faster end to the war, it can be acceptable.
Real life argument for WWII terror bombing that killed hundreds of thousands of people in my home, by the way. Oh, and it turned out that their logic was wrong and deliberately targeting civilians didn't actually speed up the end of the war.

You might see why I'm not too keen on this line of argumentation.
 
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Real life argument for WWII terror bombing that killed millions in my home, by the way. Oh, and it turned out that their logic was wrong.

You might see why I'm not too keen on this line of argumentation.
I see. I have an argument of my own, but using it will leave a sour taste in my mouth.

Shall we drop this discussion?
 
For me, I don't really care what the Federation has done, I'm just not a fan of the fact that the game portrays the western allies equivalent in a world war two parallel setting as the moral equal of the Nazi stand in.
 
I see. I have an argument of my own, but using it will leave a sour taste in my mouth.

Shall we drop this discussion?
I think that might be for the best.

So, in any case, I'm still not very happy about playing the Federation and either pretending that they they're good guys or that all the bad things were the fault of some corrupt elite while everybody else is squeaky clean innocent.

It's one of the things that a lot of Japanese media is prone that annoys me to no end. Hell, it happened enough in Valkyria Chronicles that as much as I like the game, I can't help ragging on it for this failure of its writing. Especially in a war-centered story that tries to convince me that war is hell.
 
More character and class info
Valkyria Chronicles 4 introduces four new characters, class leveling - Gematsu


Valkyria Chronicles 4 introduces four new characters, class leveling


The latest issue of Weekly Famitsu introduces four new characters set to appear in Valkyria Chronicles 4.
The new characters include:
  • Angelica Farnaby (voiced by Ayane Sakura) – A civilian girl who lost her memories. She is cheerful, selfless, and kind, and gains sudden popularity among the soldiers. There is also a scene where she confronts the "Witch of the Snowstorm."
  • Karen Stewart (voiced by Yuka Saitou) – A gentle medic. Since she was raised in an all-male household, she is skilled in the treatment of men.
  • Ragnarok – The medical dog.
  • Minerva Victor (voiced by Saori Hayami) – The commanding officer of Squad F. She values the spirit of chivalry, and is both sociable and calm with her squad mates.

The dog's name is fucking Ragnarok holy shit. watch as the dog does nothing cool at all.

Anyways, clearly the amnesiac is a Valkyrur/has something to do with them. /s...err, well okay I actually do think her character flavor text is suspicious in that she has to be related to the main plot somehow. Valkyrur seems a little too obvious/overdone but maybe they'll do that again who knows.
Minerva looks like Cordelia (Fire Emblem) but with glasses.

Also I guess the medic is the new NPC that rushes out onto the field to evac your troops, eh?
 
@Private Lee O'Malley it's the dog who rescues your troops. Look at him, he's a Saint Bernard rescue dog.

10/10 is good boy, good doggo.

As for the Federation, I don't mind so much. It'll be interesting to see how things go. The usual portrayal in VC is it's the higher ups who're evil; Damon was an incompetent fuck trying tomsave his own skin, the Federation Ambassador was supporting the rebels in VC2, the Gallian intel chief was a fucking traitor in VC3... i can very well see the story portraying Squad F as being decent people handed their marching orders by the corrupt and malicious.
 
Anyways, clearly the amnesiac is a Valkyrur/has something to do with them. /s...err, well okay I actually do think her character flavor text is suspicious in that she has to be related to the main plot somehow. Valkyrur seems a little too obvious/overdone but maybe they'll do that again who knows.
In the first trailer the mortar girl yells out "ANGIE!" in front of some steel doors.

So drama~!
 
Well, the Federation was supporting a faction in VC2 that wanted to genocide the Darcsens. In case you forgot about the bad guys in VC2 doing things like forcing the population of Darcsen towns into Ragnite mines to . . . If I remember right, they weren't even going to kill them by firing squad. Pretty sure they were going to use bombs to collapse the mines and trap the Darcens underground.

So, I mean, the Federation was clearly willing to accept a genocidal Gallia into its ranks.

Though that doesn't really surprise me. What looks like the dominant religion of Europa flat out worships the Valkyr and demonizes the shit out of the Darcsens. Valkyr PR is a bitch and a half.
 
I think that might be for the best.

So, in any case, I'm still not very happy about playing the Federation and either pretending that they they're good guys or that all the bad things were the fault of some corrupt elite while everybody else is squeaky clean innocent.

It's one of the things that a lot of Japanese media is prone that annoys me to no end. Hell, it happened enough in Valkyria Chronicles that as much as I like the game, I can't help ragging on it for this failure of its writing. Especially in a war-centered story that tries to convince me that war is hell.

It's only a trope that's used often in fiction because for the most part, it's true: you can in fact be a decent person working under an organization or a leadership with less-than-ideal methods and motives. While smaller organizations can have members that have similar mindsets and ideals as the leadership, the sheer scale of something like an entire nation, let alone what looks like an alliance of multiple nations, makes such homogenous mindsets impossible since the larger an organization or government is, the larger the disconnect between the actual citizens and the leadership in terms of ideals and personalities. There's a reason outliers, rogues, dissenters, deserters, defectors, and others exist, because nations aren't hiveminds where everyone shares the same exact thoughts, feelings, emotions and logic.

Even during the Second World War, Germany as a whole wasn't a country composed entirely of mustache-twirling evil demons bent on destruction and chaos, and even in its own military you had dissenters who tried to blow Hitler up because they didn't agree with his ways. In the same way, it's not like the Allied powers didn't have their own share of horrid things done during the war. Hell, even in this day and age you can for example commend the United States Armed Forces for its incredible ability to provide humanitarian aid during natural disasters or other crises, and still talk shit about any military campaigns and operations they do that result in civilian casualties or other unsavory activities.

For a much more personal example.... consider yourself. Think about whatever unsavory things your government has done behind the shadows. Now, would you be happy if I equated you as a person as being the same as they are?

The story of VC4 centering around Squad E and the Northern Cross Campaign doesn't have to invalidate the heinous actions done by the Atlantic Federation in the first and second games, it just means that you have to treat the characters and their actions in each story as distinct actions done by different individuals in very different circles: Claude Wallace isn't the Atlantic Federation leadership, and vice versa.
 
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It's only a trope that's used often in fiction because for the most part, it's true: you can in fact be a decent person working under an organization or a leadership with less-than-ideal methods and motives. While smaller organizations can have members that have similar mindsets and ideals as the leadership, the sheer scale of something like an entire nation, let alone what looks like an alliance of multiple nations, makes such homogenous mindsets impossible since the larger an organization or government is, the larger the disconnect between the actual citizens and the leadership in terms of ideals and personalities. There's a reason outliers, rogues, dissenters, deserters, defectors, and others exist, because nations aren't hiveminds where everyone shares the same exact thoughts, feelings, emotions and logic.

Even during the Second World War, Germany as a whole wasn't a country composed entirely of mustache-twirling evil demons bent on destruction and chaos, and even in its own military you had dissenters who tried to blow Hitler up because they didn't agree with his ways. In the same way, it's not like the Allied powers didn't have their own share of horrid things done during the war. Hell, even in this day and age you can for example commend the United States Armed Forces for its incredible ability to provide humanitarian aid during natural disasters or other crises, and still talk shit about any military campaigns and operations they do that result in civilian casualties or other unsavory activities.

For a much more personal example.... consider yourself. Think about whatever unsavory things your government has done behind the shadows. Now, would you be happy if I equated you as a person as being the same as they are?

The story of VC4 centering around Squad E and the Northern Cross Campaign doesn't have to invalidate the heinous actions done by the Atlantic Federation in the first and second games, it just means that you have to treat the characters and their actions in each story as distinct actions done by different individuals in very different circles: Claude Wallace isn't the Atlantic Federation leadership, and vice versa.
Uh, well, interesting thing about "considering myself".

I'm well aware of the arguments regarding "Germany not being full of mustache-twirling villains", since I'm from there, and yet I cannot help agree with the generally veiled argument that being a Mitläufer that is part of or supports a government that does morally questionable things is somehow morally acceptable.

In fact, I consider it moral cowardice. "Good" people that lend their strength to the support of a criminal regime committing war crimes may be good people, but they are not innocent or blameless. In fact, they are part of the problem, enabling criminal regimes to continue their existence. Never again.

...So this argument doesn't convince me, and from past experience, only causes big arguments and disagreements whenever I bring it up or people talk to me about it, and yet I cannot help but think it's more than off-topic for a thread about a video game.

But I generally agree with your last paragraph, at least.
 
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Wait so she doesn't have actual wolf ears? Boo. why does she even have such a hat anyways.
Might be a shout out or something to an old concept they had for what I think eventually became the Darcsens. One where the ears weren't part of a hat.
The dog's name is fucking Ragnarok holy shit. watch as the dog does nothing cool at all.
Maybe it will, maybe it won't, worst case scenario it has to play therapy dog to the characters and probably the player on some level.

Either way, it is probably a good dog.
 
In a sudden turn of events, the amnesiac girl... really is a normal girl suffering from amnesia. Like, she's just that. An ordinary person. With amnesia. That doesn't remember anything about her previous life. Which was completely ordinary.

Deal with it.
 
I'm guessing if Minerva gets killed, she won't be usuable in combat but she still will be around to train your troops much like Fire Emblem does with their plot relevant characters.

Also does the Centurion uses the exact same drills as the motherfucking Shagohod? Fucking sick.

That General Jaeger expy is so goddamn cool. Also the Lelouch looking guy looks okay I guess.

Grenadiers sound like fun...and a total pain to fight when you're holing up your troops near an encampment. I haven't commented on this before, but I am so glad Elite Snipers get some thing for their rank up.

What the hell does the Brave system do? Do you play a minigame to determine whether your character gets a second wind or somethin'?

I really hope in the final battle, everyone gets something to say much like Fire Emblem does along with their own personal endings in the credits.

Oh and I guess we get orders (At least ship related ones.) by buying them instead of talking to the old guy, eh?
 
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