[Touhou/Exalted] The Tourist

Eh, I like the proposed compromise, myself. It's not like Hourai immortals' spirits separate from their bodies enough to be eaten, if I understand how the elixir works.
The thing is that Ghost Eating Technique basically goes "NOW STAY DOWN". And while hyper-regen would help against it by keeping it from triggering, it doesn't help when an elder solar whips out a fully upgraded World-Scarring Solar Glory to vaporize the body by dealing LITERAL infinite damage.

Edit: The game-mechanics/meta reason that nothing gets to defend against GET except things that WISH it would work on them (the neverborn) is that 1. its the enforcement clause for the everything can die rule and 2. you defend against GET by not getting killed in the first place.
 
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Only the last two scenes left after this...

*exhausted*

After the four women had understood the little girl that had spontaneously appeared in the Scarlet Devil Mansion's ground was actually Meiling's precious camellia given life, the natural progression of their investigation was to figure out how this strange event had happened.

Pathouli had apparently put enough magical wards on that flower to ensure that, despite the ambient magic and faith in Gensokyo, it would be completely unaffected. The flower would remain just a flower until the end of time. This clearly was something that did not happen, as evidenced by the young girl that was now in their company.

Well, natural progression for everyone but Meiling that is.
Sentence doesn't quite make sense, especially due to it's placement. You probably should move it up a paragraph and possibly expand upon it. It's quite vague.

Thankfully, it seemed that Patchouli had heard them. A shower of elemental magic shot up from a space between several bookshelves, a clear sign where the magician was. The party quickly descended to where the source of the signal was and was greeted to the sight of Patchouli Knowledge at a desk, books and notes sewn about haphazardly as she attempted to puzzle though whatever conundrum was plaguing her.
"were greeted with the sight"
Pathouli knowledge regarded the sight with a single, unimpressed cough, "I fail to see what is so fascinating about a newborn youkai."
"Knowledge"
"And one of the most expensive and precious objects in the entire mansion," Remilia added, folding her arms dourly, "So Patchouli. Given [that] you gave me your personal guarantee that the flower wouldn't ever gain sentience, pray tell… how did this happen?"

Realising that there would be no talking her way out of this, Patchouli relented. Pushing herself away from her research and notes, albeit it seemed with great reluctance, the magician looked into Remi's eyes and nodded.

While this was going on, Reimu and the others watched Patchouli conduct her inspection with looks ranging from keen interest to bored impatience, however none of them dared to approach the two for fear of interrupting the magician while she worked.
"to bored impatience; however, none of them"

Reimu was of the 'bored impatience' variety. She honestly didn't see what Remilia found so fascinating about this whole process. As far as Reimu was concerned, as long as she got her answers and knew this mess wasn't going to start a chaotic mess that would blow up in her face, she would be satisfied.
Perhaps change 'mess' in "event"? You use 'chaotic mess' later in the sentence.

Alas, Pathouli was taking a long time to finish her inspection. It had been almost an hour since the battery of tests, ranging from magical scans to a physical inspection, had started.
"Patchouli"

"I will have to do more research, but preliminary findings suggest she's some kind of a dryad." Patchouli informed them curtly, "Which is curious because…"

God good, she only knew of one other flower youkai in Gensokyo…
"Good god,"
"I'll need to run more tests before I can give you more concrete results. However, now that I've determined exactly what she is, where to proceed from here is fairly straightforward," Patchouli informed them, "I will be able to narrow down the exact reason of the change, but will require some time to do so. In the meantime, please leave me alone. Distractions would only slow me down."
"will"

Remilia nodded, clearly familiar with Patchouli's methods. "Fair enough. Sakuya, please return to your normal duties. Also please find one of the fairy maids"

"…she really is my little flower, isn't she?" Everyone turned to look at Meiling. Still sitting in the same chair she had been for the past hour, the Chinese youkai was staring at Cha Hua with eyes that seemed to be on the verge of tears and a very conflicted expression.
More a personal preference, but I find a dash '-' better indicates interruptions than ellipses '...'
Missing comma.

"Request granted." Remilia replied with undisguised concern, "I had actually been about to order Sakuya to find one of the fairy maids to take over your duties for the day. This... this is something you need to have time to think about Meiling. I mean, considering your history…"
"I was actually about to"

"Mei-mama!" The little youkai rushed over to hug her mother excitedly, only for find the taller woman [to] gently rest her hands on her shoulder and push her away. "M-Mei-mama?"
Not sure if the 'taller' is needed. So far Cha Hua's been described more as a girl than a woman, so just "tall woman" ought to suffice.

"S-Sorry, Cha Hua." Meiling said laboriously, clearly struggling to retain her composure, "I… I need you to stay with Doctor Patchouli, okay? She… she has some tests she needs to run on your to make sure you're healthy, alright? Ma… I want you do help Doctor Patchouli, alright?"
"you"

"…I'll come back later, Cha Hua." Meiling nodded hesitantly, pusing her 'daughter' over to Patchouli, then quickly turned to Remilia, "By your leave, Mistress."
"pushing"
"turning"

"..What the hell was that?" Reimu muttered darkly to Remilia, wondering what the hell was going through Meiling's head at that moment that she'd leave her emotionally vulnerable and confused daughter alone like she just did, "That's her daughter. How could she-?"
Sentence is a bit fragmented. Perhaps "wondering what was going through Meiling's head that would cause her to leave her emotionally vulnerable and confused daughter alone like she just did"

Still not quite happy with it...can anyone else chip in?

With Meiling having vanished off to parts unknown and Patchouli busying herself with research, Reimu saw little point in lingering. As she had no idea where to even begin with talking to Meiling and she has zero research whatsoever, Reimu decided the most productive thing she could do given the circumstances, was to head back upstairs and get changed into something more dignified than the pink polka-dot pyjamas she was wearing.
"had zero interest in research"
Missing comma.

Indeed, she hadn't been the only one who had taken her leave. While Remilia had decided to remain in the library, obstinately to conduct her own research into 'a personal problem', Sakuya had disappeared via the magic of time stop shortly after declaring she needed to get back to her chores. With both of the other investigators pretty much calling off the hunt for now, Reimu followed suit.
"shortly afterwards, declaring she needed to get back to her chores."

Taking to the air with [the] full intent on getting her morning routine sorted out before the day got any crazier, Reimu had been halfway to the exit when she saw a panicked Koakuma making a beeline towards her. "Oh, what now?"
"of"

"Reimu! Reimu, I need your help!" Koa pleaded as she flew up to Reimu, completely flustered, "Ms. Usami's gone missing again and I can't find her! Help!"
"her"

Oh, now this was a problem. [The?] Scarlet Devil Mansion was not the kind of place that anyone should be allowed to run around [in] unsupervised at all. While it was perfectly safe for Reimu because of her reputation and power, Renko had no such protection. Any number of horrible things could befall an unwary guest, and soon Reimu's mind was awash with the many possibilities of what could happen to her charge.
Missing comma.
Still not happy with the second sentence, the one about the Scarlet Devil Mansion...feel free to chip in, people.

"Wait, you've lost her three times just this one night? Didn't she [go] back upstairs to sleep?" Reimu said as she and Koakuma flew together, watching the rows of bookshelves below them in hopes of locating the wayward tourist. "Didn't she get tired at all?"
"over the course of"
"asked"
"peering in-between "

Well, that explained why Reimu didn't see Renko anywhere this morning. Oh, she should have seen this coming a mile away. Trust Yukari to have a friend who is about as energetic as she is sleepy!
"hadn't seen"
"was about as energetic as she was lethargic!"

Reimu pointed at the sight with one hand, wondering if her eyes were deceiving her. Koakuma turned to see what had caught Reimu's attention, and found herself likewise stunned by what she was seeing. The pair was so astonished, they stopped in mid-air, just hovering there as they tried to absorb what they were seeing.
"were"
Missing comma

Walking across one of the Voile's many bridges while reading an open book was Renko Usami, their missing tourist. Behind Renko was a small procession of five fairy maids, following after the woman like a row of ducklings waddling after their mother. The arms of each fairy maid was occupied with holding a tall stack of books that was about as tall as they were, resulting in quite a strange sight.
"procession of five fairy maids" or "small procession of fairy maids"
"were"

One human woman, who wasn't [even] looking where she was going because her face was in a book, was leading around a bunch of fairy maids who were carrying stuff for her.
"due to her face being buried in a book,"

"How's that happen?" Reimu said to herself.
"How did this"
"asked"
 
The thing is that Ghost Eating Technique basically goes "NOW STAY DOWN". And while hyper-regen would help against it by keeping it from triggering, it doesn't help when an elder solar whips out a fully upgraded World-Scarring Solar Glory to vaporize the body by dealing LITERAL infinite damage.

Edit: The game-mechanics/meta reason that nothing gets to defend against GET except things that WISH it would work on them (the neverborn) is that 1. its the enforcement clause for the everything can die rule and 2. you defend against GET by not getting killed in the first place.
If I understand the Hourai Elixir properly, people who take it can't die, no matter what injuries they sustain, and Mokou at least does want to. In "Imperishable Night", Yuyuko, who has the inherent ability to cause death in humans, finds that her power can't affect Mokou. I remember reading that Kaguya and Mokou physically can't enter the Netherworld, since humans are technically dead so long as they're there, but that might be fanon. It's also entirely possible that many of the rules of Creation, much like the common sense of Earth, don't apply in Gensokyo.
 
Eh, I like the proposed compromise, myself. It's not like Hourai immortals' spirits separate from their bodies enough to be eaten, if I understand how the elixir works.
Soul-body separation is irrelevant. Heck, with spirits and primordials - the creatures the charm was originally designed to kill - there's literally no divide between the body and the soul.

If I understand the Hourai Elixir properly, people who take it can't die, no matter what injuries they sustain, and Mokou at least does want to. In "Imperishable Night", Yuyuko, who has the inherent ability to cause death in humans, finds that her power can't affect Mokou. I remember reading that Kaguya and Mokou physically can't enter the Netherworld, since humans are technically dead so long as they're there, but that might be fanon. It's also entirely possible that many of the rules of Creation, much like the common sense of Earth, don't apply in Gensokyo.
Primordials also can't die, no matter what injuries they sustain (except then GET kills them anyway). Yuyuko's inability to kill Mokou is easily explained as her soul no longer being human enough to target.
 
If I understand the Hourai Elixir properly, people who take it can't die, no matter what injuries they sustain, and Mokou at least does want to. In "Imperishable Night", Yuyuko, who has the inherent ability to cause death in humans, finds that her power can't affect Mokou. I remember reading that Kaguya and Mokou physically can't enter the Netherworld, since humans are technically dead so long as they're there, but that might be fanon. It's also entirely possible that many of the rules of Creation, much like the common sense of Earth, don't apply in Gensokyo.
There is a distinction between want to die and "In such suffering a compassion 5 character can channel compassion to kill you". For reference? A compassion 5 character would have to suppress compassion to deliberately kill Hitler during an all out fight. They can use it to try to figure out how to kill Neverborn. More to the point, the Exalted were made by Autochton to kill that which cannot die. Autochton is EXPLICITLY capable of making things that do the impossible. It's kind of his MO.
 
From what I know of Hourai immortals and what little I know of Exalted's offensive capability, I would say that they can't kill the immortals but they should be able to easily keep them perpetually killed/sealed, kind of like how Johnny Joestar and Giorno Giovanna perpetually kills their respective enemies or how Sun Wu Kong was sealed in the Eight-Trigram Reactor.
 
Well, I decided to actually go look up Ghost-Eating Technique, and I don't think it would affect Kaguya or Mokou at all. It's designed to kill "spirits"-- beings composed entirely of Essence. Kaguya and Mokou are pretty decidedly made of flesh and are much closer to being humans than they are to being ghosts, demons, gods, fairies, or anything else I could name. GET could probably kill Cirno permanently, but I don't think Hourai immortals would notice any difference from a normal attack. I won't say that a Solaroid couldn't permanently kill them, but I couldn't suggest a way to do it, and a way might not currently exist because I'm not aware of anything quite like them in or near Creation.

I also looked up World-Scarring Solar Glory. It does arbitrarily large amounts of damage, but you do actually have to choose an amount when you use it, so while it might be able to put Kaguya or Mokou down for an arbitrarily long time, it wouldn't be forever. They would eventually return to their state when they took the Hourai Elixir for the third time. If I understand the Elixir correctly, and Kaguya's power over eternity that was used to create it, their condition at that time is essentially their highest-entropy state, and they will always return to that state unless disturbed by an outside force.

It would probably be much easier to seal or imprison them permanently, although I don't know enough about Charms to suggest a method. It just couldn't be through age, disease, or injury without first negating, reversing, or removing the effects of the Elixir.
 
Primordials aren't spirits, yet GET kills them too. Which I mention only for the sake of veracity, not to weigh in on the debate.

Look, it's just not going to be a concern for this story, so there's no point in having this argument AGAIN.
 
It would probably be much easier to seal or imprison them permanently, although I don't know enough about Charms to suggest a method. It just couldn't be through age, disease, or injury without first negating, reversing, or removing the effects of the Elixir.

My first thought was pressed beyond the veil. Its basically the brigadoon spell. The prisoner(s) only get to interact with the outside world for one day every hundred years. When used as a prison the sorcerer will typically use automatons or bound demons that guard the gateway for the one day.

There are other spells like locking them inside their reflections or binding them as a slave who only has one slim chance to break free on their birthday each year.

The infernal version of GET scatters the target's body and essence over a radius of a hundred yards and sentences them to 10,000 years of unending torment. So yeah they would eventually come back.
 
I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but for narrative reasons I'd prefer it if Renko (or any other Exalt for that matter) didn't immediately have something that could permanently kill Mokou.

A big part of Mokou's character is her inability to die, despite wanting to. She's an immortal who genuinely regrets having gained this 'gift' in her youth. If she was a smug bastard who normally went 'lawl, nothing you can do hurts me' maybe I'd reconsider, however this sin't the case. I think think Renko actually having to work with Mokou to develop a method I think has more narrative potential than our heroine immediately possessing a solution to her problem. It respects both Touhou (Immortality Elixir is too potent for Renko to immediately overcome due to it being an OCP from a different dimension) and Exalted (A Solar can still develop a way around it because that's what they do) while giving me an excuse for prolonged character interaction between the two (especially since Renko would be wrestling with the fact she's essentially assisting in a suicide).

This is just my opinion mind you, and I could be wrong, but just speaking from where I think it will most benefit a story and will have the most potential for drama I would prefer it if GET didn't work. Granted the mechanics might say otherwise, but this is the way I would do it in story to milk it for drama. What do you guys think?
 
I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but for narrative reasons I'd prefer it if Renko (or any other Exalt for that matter) didn't immediately have something that could permanently kill Mokou.

A big part of Mokou's character is her inability to die, despite wanting to. She's an immortal who genuinely regrets having gained this 'gift' in her youth. If she was a smug bastard who normally went 'lawl, nothing you can do hurts me' maybe I'd reconsider, however this sin't the case. I think think Renko actually having to work with Mokou to develop a method I think has more narrative potential than our heroine immediately possessing a solution to her problem. It respects both Touhou (Immortality Elixir is too potent for Renko to immediately overcome due to it being an OCP from a different dimension) and Exalted (A Solar can still develop a way around it because that's what they do) while giving me an excuse for prolonged character interaction between the two (especially since Renko would be wrestling with the fact she's essentially assisting in a suicide).

This is just my opinion mind you, and I could be wrong, but just speaking from where I think it will most benefit a story and will have the most potential for drama I would prefer it if GET didn't work. Granted the mechanics might say otherwise, but this is the way I would do it in story to milk it for drama. What do you guys think?
Well, I agree, personally.

5-Sidereal plan: call in one of the nicer Abyssals for consultation. I don't think Renko's quite that reckless, though. ;)
 
I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but for narrative reasons I'd prefer it if Renko (or any other Exalt for that matter) didn't immediately have something that could permanently kill Mokou.

A big part of Mokou's character is her inability to die, despite wanting to. She's an immortal who genuinely regrets having gained this 'gift' in her youth. If she was a smug bastard who normally went 'lawl, nothing you can do hurts me' maybe I'd reconsider, however this sin't the case. I think think Renko actually having to work with Mokou to develop a method I think has more narrative potential than our heroine immediately possessing a solution to her problem. It respects both Touhou (Immortality Elixir is too potent for Renko to immediately overcome due to it being an OCP from a different dimension) and Exalted (A Solar can still develop a way around it because that's what they do) while giving me an excuse for prolonged character interaction between the two (especially since Renko would be wrestling with the fact she's essentially assisting in a suicide).

This is just my opinion mind you, and I could be wrong, but just speaking from where I think it will most benefit a story and will have the most potential for drama I would prefer it if GET didn't work. Granted the mechanics might say otherwise, but this is the way I would do it in story to milk it for drama. What do you guys think?
Mokou shouldn't die because the Primordials can't.
 
Sealed in the what now?
Why, exactly that happened to another immortal in Iced Fairy's A New World. Marisa used the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi to wield its flame, then used it to drag the immortal inside to be burned forever (until the end of her 'natural' life or if she could stop thinking at least). It's not all that hard if you want to perpetually kill/seal them.

The problem is that you have to instantly and permanently kill them, because the Hourai Elixir probably includes substances that makes the drinker to have indestructible sanity or a sanity-preserving mechanism as anyone should have gone mad if they died that many times.
 
Would Renko even know about GET? I don't think that charm has seen much use since the Primordial War.
For that matter is GET even going to be that relevant to this story? How many true immortals is Renko likely to encounter and how many would she actually want to kill for whatever reason?
I mean there is Mokou (apparently) but really even assuming that Renko knows GET (and that it works on Touhou immortals), how likely is it that if Renko meets her it will even come up in conversation? I doubt Mokou bemoans her lot to everyone she meets.
 
Would Renko even know about GET? I don't think that charm has seen much use since the Primordial War.

GET and similar charms see much use in the Second Age, where a common enemy is a spirit (God, Elementals, Demons, and Ghosts) who a) is Unhappy with one of your Past Lives. b) Runs a cult you don't like. Or c) It's goals run counter to yours (May overlap between a and b). Sure, Social Fuing them may get you another ally, but its a lot easier to kill than convert.
 
Would Renko even know about GET? I don't think that charm has seen much use since the Primordial War.
Yes it has. Routinely, even. In addition to killing Primordials, it's also the Solar charm for killing other things that normally don't stay down, including demons, gods, other spirits, and the eponymous ghosts.
Edit: Ninja'd

For that matter is GET even going to be that relevant to this story? How many true immortals is Renko likely to encounter and how many would she actually want to kill for whatever reason?
Probably zero, at least in the story proper. For that matter, I figure she'll encounter zero mortals she'd actually want to kill.
 
Would Renko even know about GET? I don't think that charm has seen much use since the Primordial War.
For that matter is GET even going to be that relevant to this story? How many true immortals is Renko likely to encounter and how many would she actually want to kill for whatever reason?
I mean there is Mokou (apparently) but really even assuming that Renko knows GET (and that it works on Touhou immortals), how likely is it that if Renko meets her it will even come up in conversation? I doubt Mokou bemoans her lot to everyone she meets.
It is pretty much the go-to charm for when you need to kill something that won't stay dead. If Renko has ever gotten in a situation where that would have come up, odds are she'd have learned it. Also, the generic spirit charm that lets a spirit detect the Essence rating of other beings also tells the spirit if the character knows a charm that can kill said spirit permanently, such as Ghost Eating Technique. So even if she never used it, or intended to use it, she might still have learned it for the intimidation factor.
 
I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but for narrative reasons I'd prefer it if Renko (or any other Exalt for that matter) didn't immediately have something that could permanently kill Mokou.

A big part of Mokou's character is her inability to die, despite wanting to. She's an immortal who genuinely regrets having gained this 'gift' in her youth. If she was a smug bastard who normally went 'lawl, nothing you can do hurts me' maybe I'd reconsider, however this sin't the case. I think think Renko actually having to work with Mokou to develop a method I think has more narrative potential than our heroine immediately possessing a solution to her problem. It respects both Touhou (Immortality Elixir is too potent for Renko to immediately overcome due to it being an OCP from a different dimension) and Exalted (A Solar can still develop a way around it because that's what they do) while giving me an excuse for prolonged character interaction between the two (especially since Renko would be wrestling with the fact she's essentially assisting in a suicide).

This is just my opinion mind you, and I could be wrong, but just speaking from where I think it will most benefit a story and will have the most potential for drama I would prefer it if GET didn't work. Granted the mechanics might say otherwise, but this is the way I would do it in story to milk it for drama. What do you guys think?
tl;dr Story > bigatons and power levels

This is going to drag in Eirin and Kaguya, who are probably going to be justifiably concerned that someone is developing a technique that can beat their immortality and would probably want to interrupt the process in some fashion.

Of course, if this is happening late enough in the plotline for some of your other spoilers, then I imagine that [Gracious Shiala is going to misinterpret(?) this as Kaguya really caring about Mokou and not wanting to lose her but not able to spit it out].
 
I don't recall Moukou ever expressing a desire to die.

Especially because, if she dies, she can't keep killing Kaguya. And Moukou has built her unending LIFE around hating Kaguya.

Even if you take Inaba of Earth, Inaba of Moon as 100% canon, that just makes it even more out of character for Moukou to attempt permanent suicide.


Also, Eirin isn't a Hourai Immortal. She's definitely an inferior immortal of some sort, using less drastic drugs and techniques.

In Imperishable Night, Kaguya needed to give Eirin's healing a jump-start/boost with her Eternity/Moments power.


But yeah, the Hourai Immortals need a Bluesid Intervention in the worst way.
 
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