Her power actually is pretty good. It's Shadowkat's, but with an electricity vulnerability and a better ability to manipulate momentum (i.e. she can do things like jump further and glide when insubstantial).
No it's not. Shadowcat is VASTLY more powerful than SS. SS is just a breaker. Kitty at full power adds brute (at least Brute 6, this is not a minor thing, resulting from hyperdensity shenanigans), mover (depending on the version, she's either a Mover 2-ish or a Mover 12, depending on whether or not she can duck into parallel dimensions), and striker (she can phase objects the same way Rune does TK) to the list. Possibly also a thinker power, as she has superhuman reflexes that somehow outdo Spiderman's omnicog. Shadowcat would wreck face in Worm.

Fast forward to Ward!Taylor being Armsmaster's sidekick (because the halberd sells well with PR) and using specialized halberds designed by Armsmaster for use with the Shadowform ability.
Would that work, given the electricity issue?
yeah shadow stalker could be terrifying with a little bit of thought and less RAGE
She could be, but she's not.
Coil would be pretty well educated if he's able to swing government bureaucrat and wealthy businessman, and Thomas Calvert is black.
He is?
 
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Coil would be pretty well educated if he's able to swing government bureaucrat and wealthy businessman, and Thomas Calvert is black.
Cite on that? Because im pretty sure i remember him being white, but im not sure where i took that from.
In fanon at least he's almost always labelled a slim, pasty white dead man walking? At least, that's how I remember the leather source snake.
The story that I've heard goes that people on the worm IRC were discussing the question of Coil's ethnicity, and someone said that Coil couldn't be black because he was too 'dignified', or something like that.

Cue Wildbow declaring Coil to be black.


You can take it or leave it :V personally, I am at least okay with deciding random details out of spite for racists, but your mileage may vary
 
The story that I've heard goes that people on the worm IRC were discussing the question of Coil's ethnicity, and someone said that Coil couldn't be black because he was too 'dignified', or something like that.

Cue Wildbow declaring Coil to be black.


You can take it or leave it :V personally, I am at least okay with deciding random details out of spite for racists, but your mileage may vary
Eh, good a reason as any. Though this is going to seriously mess with my perception of the guy. Say what you will, but it's a lot easier for a white guy to pull off the sleazy look than it is for a black man.
 
No it's not. Shadowcat is VASTLY more powerful than SS. SS is just a breaker. Kitty at full power adds brute (at least Brute 6, this is not a minor thing, resulting from hyperdensity shenanigans), mover (depending on the version, she's either a Mover 2-ish or a Mover 12, depending on whether or not she can duck into parallel dimensions), and striker (she can phase objects the same way Rune does TK) to the list. Possibly also a thinker power, as she has superhuman reflexes that somehow outdo Spiderman's omnicog. Shadowcat would wreck face in Worm.
Okay, it's Shadowkat's well-known powers. I also left out her Days of Future Past mental time travel trick. :p

My point was that phasing is powerful and useful, not weak.

Would that work, given the electricity issue?
The only problem electricity seems to pose is that it electrocutes her thoroughly if she tries to phase through it. As long as the implement getting electrocuted is not her, she should be fine. So she could swing that shadow-halberd through the electric fence and not be inconvenienced. At least, that's how I'd write it, and I don't have any canon that I know of to say it can't work that way. We only ever see it being a problem when Sophia tries to phase, herself, through it. (Admittedly, we don't see her shoot her phased bolts through electrically charged stuff, but nothing about the electricity seems to actually disrupt her ability to cohere; it just hurts and possibly does real damage. A bolt isn't going to care about electrocution. Neither is a halberd.)

And if you're asking about the halberd itself being electrical, I'm sure Armsmaster can work out something non-electric if he has to.

She could be, but she's not.
Which is an indictment of Sophia, not of her power.

I've seen people claim this before; the best citation they've been able to give was what amounted to a reddit conversation where somebody asked if Calvert was black, and Wildbow said "I dunno, why not?" Which, given Wildbow's lackluster clarity and known trollish nature is not exactly a resounding "yes."

Eh, good a reason as any. Though this is going to seriously mess with my perception of the guy. Say what you will, but it's a lot easier for a white guy to pull off the sleazy look than it is for a black man.
I dunno. Samuel L. Jackson's character in Kingsmen is kinda sleazy.

I think it's just that "sleazy" appearance shades strongly towards unpleasant stereotypes, and if you characterize black men in unpleasant stereotypes, it gets messy. A lot easier to use greasy-haired white men in ill-fitting suits than whatever you have to do to get the same "feel" from the cultural associations with black men.

That said, if Coil is sleazy, it's the "snake-like lawyer" kind of sleaze, not the grease used-car salesman sort that I usually associate with the adjective. I actually think black men can pull that one off as easily as white men. It's the same look: wearing a suit, insincere grin, and a sneering manner of talking like you think not only is everybody in the room dumber than you, but they're too dumb to realize you're talking down to them.

I will avoid naming real people who fit this bill, as it will tend to start needless arguments.

The villain from the first season of Luke Cage pulled it off pretty well, though.
 
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Would that work, given the electricity issue?

There's a threshold, or electrons in air molecules, or just free-floating ions, would make Sophia useless.

And if anyone can get under that current/voltage threshold, it's Mister Small (Armsmaster doesn't understand why MM finds this nickname funny).

If nothing else, "phase stabbity death" is going to be a welcome breath of fresh air in BB, and probably have enough public support for putting Merchants down that the PRT is forced to pull its head out of its ass on the subject of PR. Or get its head smashed in by the Interwebz in response to trying to punish Taylor for taking off some kneecaps that Panacea can fix after anyhow.

You can take it or leave it :V personally, I am at least okay with deciding random details out of spite for racists, but your mileage may vary

FUCK NO.
Coil is not at all dignified, or he wouldn't use his precog on tantrums nearly as often as he does in fanon.

And if he was black then it would make blacks in Worm basically all at least partial negative stereotypes:
Skidmark - Need I explain?
Laborns - Shit family dynamics, Aisha is "black girls don't books", Brian's intimate scene with Taylor had him covering things up so she couldn't see but he could i.e. "selfish asshole"....
Sophia - Thug, also shit family dynamics in fanon at least.

The closest a hero character gets to black in Brockton Bay is Miss Militia. Since I doubt Chevalier, Legend are black, well... Unless Narwhal is black, we can't have Coil be black.
 
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You can take it or leave it :V personally, I am at least okay with deciding random details out of spite for racists, but your mileage may vary
I'm more bothered by someone claiming that Coil is dignified. The Worm villains that word can apply to include Fanon Mafia!Marquis and Fanon Bushido!Lung, not the sleazeball who killed his CO and keeps a drug-addicted young girl in his basement.
 
Heh. An alt-power Taylor with Sophia's power who kept her Armsmaster fangirlishness enough to go out wielding a makeshift halberd - on precisely the basis that reach with it inside things is good - and otherwise having the canon opening night in April would make for an interesting potential. The overt flattery of seeing himself being mimicked by a self-proclaimed wannabe hero might well lead to a slightly different approach, which might click more with Taylor.

Fast forward to Ward!Taylor being Armsmaster's sidekick (because the halberd sells well with PR) and using specialized halberds designed by Armsmaster for use with the Shadowform ability.
Phased strings/cords. Make a spider's web of 'em (depending on how much matter/range she can phase at once), and selectively un-phase them as people walk into them (letting go of each string, maybe?). Kind of hard to do anything when a rope is suddenly threading your lungs.

Laborns - Shit family dynamics, Aisha is "black girls don't books", Brian's intimate scene with Taylor had him covering things up so she couldn't see but he could i.e. "selfish asshole"....
That one's a stretch and a half, if you ask me. For one, Taylor could still see with her bugs, and for two, it could just as easily be light bondage/sensory deprivation. In fact, that's what I took it as.
 
Okay, it's Shadowkat's well-known powers. I also left out her Days of Future Past mental time travel trick. :p

My point was that phasing is powerful and useful, not weak.
Even there, Kitty's phasing is better than SS's in a number of ways. Yes, phasing is nice and all, but SS's version of it is about as weak as you can get and still be worthy of the name. Now, if properly utilized (and not in Brockton where a lot of the probable matchups are not favorable to her), she could be a decent mid-tier cape rather than the low-grade street sweeper that she is, but alas, Sophia is an idiot.
I'm more bothered by someone claiming that Coil is dignified. The Worm villains that word can apply to include Fanon Mafia!Marquis and Fanon Bushido!Lung, not the sleazeball who killed his CO and keeps a drug-addicted young girl in his basement.
Hence my view of him as sleazy. He's trying for dignified, but he's not making it, and coming off as creepy instead. Kaiser can be dignified if done right, Lung can be dignified, Trickster can be dignified, but Coil... no.
 
Coil is very good at appearing dignified, civilized, etc. to people who only encounter him little or from afar.

Those who sepnd a lot of time interacting with him, or with a better perspective, like thinkers, or our outside perspective, recognize hes anything but.
 
The story that I've heard goes that people on the worm IRC were discussing the question of Coil's ethnicity, and someone said that Coil couldn't be black because he was too 'dignified', or something like that.

Cue Wildbow declaring Coil to be black.


You can take it or leave it :V personally, I am at least okay with deciding random details out of spite for racists, but your mileage may vary
I find it mildly depressing that Wildbow had such a sparse mental model of canon characters that he's willing to assign significant traits based on spite -- and let's be honest here, a successful black man deliberately moving into Neo-Nazi Central is a significant character trait which demands some explanation, since it goes against Coil's canon characterization ("avoids direct conflict when possible; stays under the radar").


Eh, good a reason as any. Though this is going to seriously mess with my perception of the guy. Say what you will, but it's a lot easier for a white guy to pull off the sleazy look than it is for a black man.
Disagree that it's difficult for anyone to look sleazy.

 
Forgive me if i dont believe this without some more obvious proof than "someone told me that wildbow said so in a chat once."

The amount of false and fake WoGs people claim on worm is astounding. Not saying this is a deliberate lie or anything, but basically, for worm, never accept a WoG as real without direct proof.
 
Why did this conversation turn stupid so quickly? The hell does any of this have to do with the Simurgh and any little sisteritude she may or may not be engaged in?

Spellcheck confirms sisteritude is a word. Deal with it. :V
 
Actually, not even that, as there is no rule against necro on SV. Which doesn't guarantee you won't get a lot of people annoyed at an alert on a fic they were following only to not find any content.

That peer pressure is where the substantive post requirement comes from.

I've literally never understood this, as the notification for random people posting is very different from the notification for the author posting is very different from the notification for the author posting a post with x.y K number of words.

I'm equally irritated when people post stupid things on current threads, and when they do the same thing on old threads. And in this case, it's not the "necromancer" causing the issues...
 
That one's a stretch and a half, if you ask me. For one, Taylor could still see with her bugs, and for two, it could just as easily be light bondage/sensory deprivation. In fact, that's what I took it as.

None of which are things you do with someone as fucked in the head as Taylor for her first time.

So I don't have much of a positive impression of Grue either.
 
Not having read canon worm at all...they have sex fairly recently after the Leviathan fight and losing a few friends right? Aren't they all pretty fucked in the head at this point?

You don't take away a mentally ill girl's line of sight and line of communication (the fog absorbs sound) so that the only way she can tell you to knock it off is flat-out rejection which she's not got the self-confidence to do.

Honestly I would have preferred if Taylor got angry at the Locker-style darkness and stung him in the ass with a hornet for it. Even Grue would be able to understand after he finished jumping across the room and pulling his fog with him.
 
Teenagers make shitty decisions about sex, news at 11.

Also, Grue can hear fine. And he would, if Taylor asked, cut the fog. Though I'm not sure how relevant that is to this story, TBH.
 
Also, Grue can hear fine. And he would, if Taylor asked, cut the fog. Though I'm not sure how relevant that is to this story, TBH.

Grue should have known (or Lisa should have warned him) that someone as lacking in self-esteem as Taylor would keep their mouth firmly shut due to being too tense and nervous, and being bullied means previous speaking up did nothing for her, so she is highly unlikely to speak up for herself.

If you show Brian as empathetic to ANY degree, then he would have been able to KNOW how intensely nervous someone as downtrodden as Taylor would be, and how utter silence would have been the natural result even if something was digging into her enough to make a bruise.
 
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I mean, according to recent staff decisions, stuff like that is perfectly fine here too, as long as it's tasteful.

I thought it was more important that it be RELEVANT.

Which, given the importance the Undersiders usually have, and the racial problems in Brockton Bay? Grue's level of empathy is absolutely relevant in determining whether there's any major characters in Worm who are black and carries no serious negative stereotypes (the elder Laborns aren't that bad of a stereotype, though Sophia's family also being problematic is Alarm Bells).

Wait a second. I sound like I'm wondering if Wildbow is racist on a level he doesn't acknowledge to himself.
 
I thought it was more important that it be RELEVANT.

Which, given the importance the Undersiders usually have, and the racial problems in Brockton Bay? Grue's level of empathy is absolutely relevant in determining whether there's any major characters in Worm who are black and carries no serious negative stereotypes (the elder Laborns aren't that bad of a stereotype, though Sophia's family also being problematic is Alarm Bells).

Wait a second. I sound like I'm wondering if Wildbow is racist on a level he doesn't acknowledge to himself.
You can't win with racism charges, either you are insensitive or patronizing if not-black when writing black characters. The only protection is to have a black co-writer working with you. Mel Brooks had Richard Pryor on staff for Blazing Saddles so got a pass on the racist satirical content, at least at the time. At best, if a non-black writer, you don't try to be ethnically accurate and just write black characters no differently than non-black characters and skin color means no more to characterization than hair color.
 
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