...What? Is that given as a canon reason at some point? That, presented with an example of how powerful enough villains could just run around doing whatever they wanted, even if what they wanted was horribly killing lots of innocent people, with the PRTectorate some combination of unable and unwilling to stop them, more capes would join the Protectorate?
In a completely insane moment, yeah basically;

Alexandria Interlude said:
Alexandria hung her head. "How do we stop him? Manton? If he's transformed into that…"

"The sample he took, F-one-six-one-one, it tends to give projection powers. I suspect his real body is unchanged. But I'm wondering if we shouldn't leave him be."

Alexandria stared at the doctor, wide-eyed. "Why?"

"So long as he's active, people will be flocking to join the Protectorate-"

Alexandria slammed her hand on the stainless steel table beside her cot.

Silence rang between them in the wake of the destruction.

"I will not condone the loss of life for your ulterior motives. I will not let monsters walk free, to profit from the fear they spread."

"You're right," the Doctor said. "I… must be more shaken by Manton's betrayal than I'd thought. Forget I said anything."

If Alexandria saw a hint of falsehood in the Doctor's body language, she convinced herself it was the strain of one eye compensating for the job she'd used to perform with two.

Worm: where we believe seemingly fightable monsters like the endbringers will do less to promote joining the protectorate than seemingly unfightable monsters, I guess.

(it's really strange this happens in an interlude that directly touches on the endbringers)
 
It's a very obviously flawed line of reasoning, yes. The thing is, when I first read Worm, it was moments like this that made me sure that Cauldron was meant to be wildly incompetent. Because the thing about Cauldron that baffles me isn't their incompetence. I feel that it makes perfect sense for Cauldron to be making terrible decisions, for both characterization and thematic reasons. My impression was that Cauldron made basically everything worse at every step of the way. Their secrecy and the lengths they went to preserve it alienated potential allies, their disregard for the human element lost them critical assets and created obstacles to their goals- including the Endbringers- and their callous cruelty to the people they experimented on ultimately blew up in their faces, shattering the coalition they were attempting to build against Scion. I interpret Cauldron as a foil to Taylor and the ends-justifies-the-means ethos that she increasingly embodies as the story progresses. I thought it was obvious that a combination of paranoia, tunnel vision, sunk cost fallacy, and Hard (Wo)men Making Hard Decisions brainworms had driven them into self sabotage. That felt perfectly fitting to me, because it's a clear reflection of the way that Taylor increasingly isolates herself through her own ruthlessness. It's also the logical endpoint of a secretive organization with power over others and no accountability whatsoever. In this reading, Cauldron is a brilliantly crafted parallel to Taylor's character arc and a cautionary tale about doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. No, what's truly mind boggling about Cauldron is that everything we see about them in the text portrays them as making pointless, counterproductive choices that undermine their goals, but the author insists despite all evidence to the contrary that their methods were effective, their atrocities were necessary, and the setting would have been worse without them. This leads me to conclude that everything I liked about Cauldron's role in the story was completely accidental.
 
So I remembered those PHO Sunday posts wildbow made on reddit and I decided to go through then to see if they mentioned anything about Watchdog. The only thing I could find that wasn't on the wiki page (unless I missed it) was a news article about scummy developers using cheap, parahuman-made materials to rebuild after the NYC Behemoth attack in 1994. Fast forward to 2012 and there are building collapses that kill people, at which point Watchdog confirms that, yes, parahumans are to blame for the buildings falling apart. How did they determine this? I dunno. Maybe they did some fancy stuff offscreen. The post itself makes it seem like they glanced at the rubble, pointed out that normal stone foundations arent supposed to be crumbly or flammable, and then fucked off after touting the virtues of NEPEA-5. Lol.

Anyway, something else interesting from another one of the PHO Sunday posts. There's one called "Ultraviolent Analysis #318d; Special: 'The Unmentionables.'" They note that thread #245 was around the time the S9 killed toybox, and this ones from 5/24/2012, so that'd mean there are around a half dozen of these ultraviolet threads per month before you count the special threads that get a letter appended to their number. That's a lot of parahuman ultraviolence. Helps to drive home that the S9 are just the visible tip of the Earth Bet murderous asshole iceberg. But anyway, that's not the thing that really tickled me. This thread was posted to the "Monsters (Restricted)" board, which apparently exists. There's canonically a Monster board on PHO.
 
There's three versions of the conflict drive.

First is Worm's version -your understanding. Powers get given to the right people in the right circumstances to maximize the odds they'll use their power, and specifically use it to fight parahumans. This gets shown pretty directly from Scion's perspective late in Worm.

Second is pre-Ward WoG. It's the crap Shard_486 is bringing up, where Wildbow informs us of all kinds of nonsense that ranges from 'I guess that's possible, but... this sounds dumb' (eg Leet's power sabotaging him to try to get him to stop playing things safe: we saw so little of Leet you can't actually say it's contradicted by canon, but... still pretty dumb) to 'is directly contradictory with what Wildbow actually wrote in Worm'. (eg this notion that Lisa is somehow ~bad~ at long-range conclusion-drawing)
I forgot to comment on this earlier, but there is definitely a discrepancy in the way the conflict-drive stuff was presented in Worm compared to the post-Worm stuff. Because during Worm, Taylor was frequently paranoid about her passenger influencing her. Except that she ultimately admits to herself that she was wrong! From 27.3:

I'd been thinking of my feelings as being off-kilter, out of control, unreasonable and irrational.

Were they just regular feelings? Emotions that weren't being reined in by my discipline and bottling everything up, by distraction and disconnection?

Somewhere along the line, I'd stopped thinking about my feelings as being mixed up or fucked up and stopped concerning myself with them altogether. On a level, I'd blamed my passenger.

But I wasn't sure I could justify that with what I was experiencing now. Why would the passenger take away, gain ground in subsuming my identity and then give it back, all like this?

Was it just me?

Fuck. I wasn't sure I wanted this to be me and me alone.
This was one of my favorite moments in the entire story. Taylor realizes that "my passenger made me do it" was just an excuse that she was using to rationalize her behavior so that she wouldn't have to change. I loved that, so it felt extremely weird to see Ward pivot to stuff like this:

The interjection of her power was the kind of thing she was trying to be alert about. The times it chose to jump in, the things it said, and the idea, as old as Gold Morning, that the alien behind it was looking to shape and encourage certain behaviors.

It's all so much easier when I'm out using my powers instead of working from my terminal. Less headaches, less interjections.
This is almost the complete opposite. It's very strange to me that Wildbow would take things in this direction, because it's not just a departure in power mechanics, it's also a major case of thematic drift. It felt like a serious misstep to me, and it's yet another case of walking back one of the elements of Worm that I really liked.
 
I forgot to comment on this earlier, but there is definitely a discrepancy in the way the conflict-drive stuff was presented in Worm compared to the post-Worm stuff. Because during Worm, Taylor was frequently paranoid about her passenger influencing her. Except that she ultimately admits to herself that she was wrong! From 27.3:


This was one of my favorite moments in the entire story. Taylor realizes that "my passenger made me do it" was just an excuse that she was using to rationalize her behavior so that she wouldn't have to change. I loved that, so it felt extremely weird to see Ward pivot to stuff like this:


This is almost the complete opposite. It's very strange to me that Wildbow would take things in this direction, because it's not just a departure in power mechanics, it's also a major case of thematic drift. It felt like a serious misstep to me, and it's yet another case of walking back one of the elements of Worm that I really liked.

Okay I get what you are saying, but it's never been correct. While the level of influence may vary wildly from "almost zero" to "debilitating", shards have always shown the ability to perform significant and ongoing mental influence on their hosts, most blaringly the entire tinker class's compulsion to tinker.

Taylor's also correct about herself, but Shard compulsion has always been a huge part of the story from the very beginning. The severity of it, if there's any compulsion at all, is very much on a cape-by-cape basis.
 
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It's a very obviously flawed line of reasoning, yes. The thing is, when I first read Worm, it was moments like this that made me sure that Cauldron was meant to be wildly incompetent. Because the thing about Cauldron that baffles me isn't their incompetence. I feel that it makes perfect sense for Cauldron to be making terrible decisions, for both characterization and thematic reasons. My impression was that Cauldron made basically everything worse at every step of the way. Their secrecy and the lengths they went to preserve it alienated potential allies, their disregard for the human element lost them critical assets and created obstacles to their goals- including the Endbringers- and their callous cruelty to the people they experimented on ultimately blew up in their faces, shattering the coalition they were attempting to build against Scion. I interpret Cauldron as a foil to Taylor and the ends-justifies-the-means ethos that she increasingly embodies as the story progresses. I thought it was obvious that a combination of paranoia, tunnel vision, sunk cost fallacy, and Hard (Wo)men Making Hard Decisions brainworms had driven them into self sabotage. That felt perfectly fitting to me, because it's a clear reflection of the way that Taylor increasingly isolates herself through her own ruthlessness. It's also the logical endpoint of a secretive organization with power over others and no accountability whatsoever. In this reading, Cauldron is a brilliantly crafted parallel to Taylor's character arc and a cautionary tale about doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. No, what's truly mind boggling about Cauldron is that everything we see about them in the text portrays them as making pointless, counterproductive choices that undermine their goals, but the author insists despite all evidence to the contrary that their methods were effective, their atrocities were necessary, and the setting would have been worse without them. This leads me to conclude that everything I liked about Cauldron's role in the story was completely accidental.

This is a pretty good summary of why I don't simply eject Cauldron from my fanfics; because the problem isn't that they exist, and mostly isn't how amazingly incompetent they are, but rather is that the narrative wants us to view them as competent and intelligent and making the best of a bad situation even though the facts on the ground don't fit that at all.

The main qualifier I'd add to that is that the narrative went so overboard in giving them amazing tools that their incompetency actually manages to be pretty unbelievable anyway. (PtV, most egregiously)

So I remembered those PHO Sunday posts wildbow made on reddit and I decided to go through then to see if they mentioned anything about Watchdog. The only thing I could find that wasn't on the wiki page (unless I missed it) was a news article about scummy developers using cheap, parahuman-made materials to rebuild after the NYC Behemoth attack in 1994. Fast forward to 2012 and there are building collapses that kill people, at which point Watchdog confirms that, yes, parahumans are to blame for the buildings falling apart. How did they determine this? I dunno. Maybe they did some fancy stuff offscreen. The post itself makes it seem like they glanced at the rubble, pointed out that normal stone foundations arent supposed to be crumbly or flammable, and then fucked off after touting the virtues of NEPEA-5. Lol.

You're reminding me why I largely gave up on digging up 'secondary sources' for Worm years ago... thanks for trying, though.

Anyway, something else interesting from another one of the PHO Sunday posts. There's one called "Ultraviolent Analysis #318d; Special: 'The Unmentionables.'" They note that thread #245 was around the time the S9 killed toybox, and this ones from 5/24/2012, so that'd mean there are around a half dozen of these ultraviolet threads per month before you count the special threads that get a letter appended to their number. That's a lot of parahuman ultraviolence. Helps to drive home that the S9 are just the visible tip of the Earth Bet murderous asshole iceberg. But anyway, that's not the thing that really tickled me. This thread was posted to the "Monsters (Restricted)" board, which apparently exists. There's canonically a Monster board on PHO.

The 'monsters' thing is funny but doesn't actually surprise me. Wildbow uses 'monster' as a word unusually often throughout his works and his WoGs, and more specifically has a really high rate of using it in the form of 'this person is abominable'. (Which is one reason why I'm not a fan of Worm and Ward occasionally referring to Case 53s as 'monster capes') If I'd given any thought to the PHO board on a worldbuilding level, I think I would've guessed such a thing would exist on my own.

(Won't stop me from potentially referencing the funny within Wild Hunt if I have some reason to, mind)

Okay I get what you are saying, but it's never been correct. While the level of influence may vary wildly from "almost zero" to "debilitating", shards have always shown the ability to perform significant and ongoing mental influence on their hosts, most blaringly the entire tinker class's compulsion to tinker.

Taylor's also correct about herself, but Shard compulsion has always been a huge part of the story from the very beginning. The severity of it, if there's any compulsion at all, is very much on a cape-by-cape basis.

I mean, yes, but nonetheless they're correct. In Worm, shards were written as heavily passive-by-default, and stuff like Scion being killed because a bunch of his shards see no problem with being directed to kill him pretty well hinged on this passiveness to make sense. Shard volition was touched on only at the periphery, and when it was touched on it was generally done in a way that implied low volition, like how Scion shows us 'powers are assigned to someone who precog shows will make a good host'. We saw they could be more active, but the overall impression was that this was a rarity to actually happen.

Whereas in Ward, everyone who is supposed to be even slightly educated about powers blandly tells us all capes have a whiny five-year-old managing access to their cool abilities who tantrums at the parahuman if they haven't fought enough, or aren't fighting 'the right way', or whatever, and we're constantly being told crap like that Tristan and Byron's power is in significant flux, changing its rules based on how their shard (shards?) is assessing them. Now shards are always active agents with clear agendas who continuously make new decisions to manipulate their hosts.

The basic framework described by Worm technically does allow this to be possible, but it's a huge change, and bizarrely this is something Ward doesn't present as 'after Scion died, powers broke and the rules changed' but as 'this has how it has always worked, everywhere, for everyone'.

(This is, bafflingly, a constant problem with Ward: it changes the rules, it gives itself perfect opportunities for changing these rules in-universe, but then it informs you that the rules haven't changed, We Were Always At War With Eastasia, making it clear that the rules changed because Wildbow either can't keep things straight or doesn't give a shit about coherency and consistency)
 
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Peg Smith

Jason heaved a put-upon sigh and ran one hand through his hair, visibly working up his nerve before swiping the projector through the next few images, stopping on an iconic shot of Chicago in the wake of Shatterbird. The shot, taken by some kid lucky enough to have their cell phone survive two of Shatterbird's 'screams', depicting a devastated Chicago in clear detail from high above. (Peg was pretty sure she knew where it had been taken from, and still wondered if Haunt had taken the picture; not many people could readily get to that spot safely) "Culminating, of course, in the events that lead to this unit's current form." Jason paused here. "I'm not sure this really requires explanation?"

Peg noticed Bad Canary hesitantly raising a hand, looking unsure, but Poltergeist was quicker on the draw, leaning forward onto the table with an overly-serious look on her face and saying, "I heard the Monster kid propositioned Shatterbird in front of, like, a million witnesses?"

There was some staring, as Peg was clearly not the only one to have not heard of such an incident. From the looks on Foundation and Menagerie's faces, Peg suspected she wasn't alone in being somewhat skeptical Poltergeist hadn't made it up just now.

Fiadh put paid to those doubts in short order, starting by leaning back in her chair with a deep sigh and muttering, "I hate the rumor mill," followed by once again leaning forward with her hands clasped together, and clarifying, "Yes, as far as we know that... event most likely did in fact happen. It's possible a parahuman ability caused a mass hallucination or... whatever... but not only were no local or non-local parahumans put at the scene capable of producing this type of effect, but what would even be the motive?"

Jason made a pained noise. "Cape psychology is unpredictable enough we can't actually dismiss that possibility, though."

Peg blinked at 'cape psychology'. Foundation looked similarly confused, and Bad Canary looked totally lost. Nobody else seemed put off by the phrase... when Foundation and Bad Canary didn't speak up for too long, Peg decided somebody should ask, so might as well be her. "What's this about 'cape psychology'?" Peg found the phrase uncomfortable and hoped this wasn't something ethically gross she was running through her voicebox.

Jason startled slightly, then made an apologetic noise. "Ah, sorry, I guess I'm too used to working with really experienced Heroes, I tend to forget this is somewhat cutting-edge science." Interestingly, Fiadh put down her mug and leaned forward, looking interested and making a 'go on' motion that Jason clearly wasn't expecting. Oddly, he looked more off-put by having half the room's attention on him than he had when it had been the whole room focused on him, earlier. Still, he marshaled himself and started explaining, dropping into what was clearly an only somewhat-practiced explanatory tone.

"Parahumans break almost every rule we thought we knew. I'm sure you all know that more intimately than me-" Here he gestured vaguely at Makeshift and Poltergeist. "-but while the physical component of parahumans is obviously divergent, what has only recently started to come into focus is the brain, or the mind if you prefer." Peg was already getting a sinking feeling. "There's been brainscan comparisons, questionnaires, studies of assorted data, and of course people who work closely with parahumans just notice things and talk with each other. Firm conclusions shouldn't be taken too seriously, it's all an emerging field-"

Fiadh cut in, "I think you're stalling," which had not been Peg's impression at all, but then Jason hesitated and something about how he did so made her think he was feeling caught. So maybe Fiadh was on the nose here?

Jason nodded ambiguously, took a deep breath, and continued in a firmer tone. "We've traded data with Aleph, both on their parahumans and on their non-parahumans, as kind of a control to make sure it's not... y'know..." He gestured vaguely upward, confusing Peg until he continued with, "... Endbringers, among other differences... and it's all pretty consistent; parahumans broadly run more fight than flight-"

Bad Canary hesitantly raised a hand, but it was Foundation who spoke up first. "Excuse me, I feel like you've skipped a step in this explanation?"

Jason looked befuddled and more than a bit frazzled, and was visibly relieved when Fiadh leaned forward a little more and clarified, "Fight-or-flight is a summary of how people respond to dangerous or stressful situations. Fight is, of course, fighting the threat, while flight is fleeing from it." Here she paused and added, clearly as an aside, "There's actually a wider range of common responses, such as 'freeze', but for law enforcement purposes we mostly care about the fight and flight options." She took another sip from her mug, then returned to the primary explanation. "Officer Henault-" Jason cringed very slightly. He really didn't like being called that, did he? "-is saying that a threatened parahuman is more likely than a threatened non-parahuman to aggressively defend theirself, rather than trying to run." Then she leaned back, visibly relaxing.

Jason nodded enthusiastically; Peg started to wonder if this was an actual passion of his as he continued. "Notably, studies indicate this is true even when a parahuman's ability offers little or no direct offensive capacity, or is extremely well-suited to enabling an escape; Movers of any kind will move toward an attacker more often than they will try to escape. This holds true even if there's a clearly-defined goal that is not advanced by aggression."

Fiadh blandly remarked, "Anyone who's helped with Ward training can tell you that much." Peg was mildly disturbed to note that all the non-Makeshift Protectorate Heroes, as well as Jason, winced. Fiadh clarified that, "Most Wards will, when first starting out training exercises, try to take down 'bad guys', even when explicitly told the goal of the exercise is to evacuate civilians, put out a fire, etc. It tends to take a few failures for Wards to learn better." Her expression tightened, lips pursed angrily. "Some never learn better, unfortunately."

None of this was helping with the sick feeling in Peg's gut, and she was half-considering making an excuse to leave for a few minutes when Jason spoke up. "Returning to the original point, the evidence is that parahumans are overwhelmingly more likely to... think in a non-standard way, if that makes sense?"

Surprisingly, Bad Canary spoke up here. (Actually, this seemed to surprise everyone, not just Peg. Well. Maybe not Makeshift; Peg wasn't sure what 'surprised' looked like on them) "You mean, like... autism?"

Peg was drawing a blank on the word. (It didn't sound like a real word to Peg, but nobody else responded like it was weird, so...) Jason shrugging and saying, "Sort of," didn't exactly help, so Peg was relieved when he continued with an actual clarification. "Some powers are directly tied up in personality. One of the Slaughterhouse- the Wild Hunt, excuse me- members, Burnscar, has lowered impulse control, no apparent guilt, and several other psychological alterations when sufficiently close to a fire, while able to generate fires at will with her power." Peg's jaw dropped in horror at the mental picture painted, but somehow it got worse as Jason continued with, "But there's a growing body of evidence that less obvious changes are common, like the fight-or-flight point we just covered. So..."

Fiadh finished the sentence for Jason. "... you can't rule out a parahuman doing something just because of a lack of motive, certainly not for a largely-unknown or entirely-hypothetical parahuman."

While Peg and Bad Canary (And possibly Foundation? She looked a little green...) digested that, Jason clapped his hands together. "But yes, as far as we know Monster openly propositioned Shatterbird." He paused, seemingly for effect. "I've had public relations people insist I don't mention it if I can, because it fits a little too neatly into the narrative of an S9 fangirl going on to take over her idols' group." An S9 what?

Makeshift spoke up. "Profiling indicates she's not a 'fangirl', I assume?" Peg shifted uncomfortably at how Makeshift said fangirl. Was that disapproval at the idea of a fangirl?...

Jason shook his head. "There's some concerning signs. We couldn't get a hold of anyone who identified as a friend to her civilian ID, and that kind of isolation has concerning connotations, but her father, her teachers, and most acquaintances paint a picture of a girl who idolizes Heroes and who would become a Hero if she got powers."

Fiadh spoke up here. "Of course, she didn't go to the Protectorate to become a Ward, and in fact mislead them into thinking she was an adult." There was a pretty clear undertone of disapproval there.

Peg blanked at that sentence, mind going back to the awkward teen girl in the school photo. She clearly wasn't the only one, as Menagerie leaned forward (Careful to not crowd his bird), and with quite a bit of concern and disbelief asked, "How?"

Foundation fiddled with a piece of her costume, hooked a thumb at her face, and said, "Y'get that with tall girls, especially tall girls in a costume that hides the rest of their physique." From the expression on Foundation's face, Peg got the impression there was an embarrassing-but-amusing story there. Foundation pinking slightly as she continued seemed a pretty strong confirmation. "You sure Monster didn't do it on accident?" Peg was pretty sure the implication there was that Foundation had experienced exactly such an accident herself. Certainly, the woman was taller than most of the men Peg knew...

There was a meditative silence in which Peg got the distinct impression neither Jason nor Fiadh had considered the possibility this was a misunderstanding rather than a deception, and Peg mentally added a notch to each of their stooge counters, a little disappointed. She'd been starting to forget they were PRT stooges, especially Jason, but at the end of the day... stooges.

"Returning to the briefing..." Fiadh remarked in that overly-bland 'this isn't an order, but actually it is' tone, then went to take another sip from her drink -only to discover to her apparent disgust it was finally empty.

Jason mumbled, "Aaaah, where?..." while alternating between digging through papers in front of him and fiddling with his phone. Eventually Jason glanced in the direction of the picture of Chicago, quite clearly felt very stupid, and after a brief check of his papers resumed talking. "As with any Nine attack our info is murky, with many questions yet to be answered, but broadly speaking the Nine announced themselves, Monster and Matchmaker were in the area and engaged them, and killed at least Jack Slash personally."

As he was moving to change the projector's image again, Poltergeist remarked with amusement, "I think literally everybody knows about that."

It then turned out Bad Canary did not, which led to Menagerie getting out a decent-sized tablet from one of his costume's larger pockets and showing her The Video, the one where Monster introduced herself to the world and took credit for Jack Slash's death. (Also extremely bizarrely asked him if he was going to repent? Why the hell would you ask that of Jack Slash?) In turn this led to Fiadh commenting in a mildly bored tone, "The other girl is almost certainly Matchmaker. Presumably she wasn't in costume, hence blurring her out." Bad Canary looked a bit green by the end.

Once everybody was back on roughly the same page, Jason resumed with, "That's not the entire reason why we believe it, but it's one of the pieces of evidence. We also know Mannequin died and the evidence is it was probably Monster and probably happened before this video. Shatterbird's, ah, very public confrontation-" Poltergeist snickered. "-also seems to have ended with Monster killing her. Hatchet Face died, though it's currently unclear who and why, as he was killed by a known example of Bonesaw-tech, but not an example that clearly points at Bonesaw as the killer. Bonesaw herself is unaccounted for, but given her track record it's very doubtful she's dead or otherwise neutralized." Peg abruptly remembered Haunt had claimed Monster had wanted her help to deal with Bonesaw, and wondered if she should mention that. "The Siberian is also unaccounted for; we have a few witness reports placing her in the city not long before the Scream, but strangely she doesn't seem to have participated in the attack. Burnscar and Crawler are known to have survived, and we have reports placing Burnscar as moving with the group."

There was a notable pause before Menagerie spoke up. "Are you saying Monster killed at least three of the Nine, by herself, in less than a day?" It was pretty obvious the thought bothered him quite a bit, and he hugged the chicken a little tighter. At this point, Peg was inclined to think the chicken-hugging was an emotional comfort thing.

Jason winced. "Yes, but for one thing the Nine's mystique is really overblown, they lost members continuously. The group persisted for years, but only Jack Slash goes all the way to the group's earliest days. The Nine losing three members to one cape isn't unprecedented and you shouldn't let Monster loom too large in your head because of it."

Poltergeist broke in again. "So wait was this like a coincidence, one of those amazing stories where everything that can go wrong does go wrong and the survivors either laugh or cry into their beer as they retell the story-" Peg was disconcerted at how serious Poltergeist's delivery of this description was, as if this was something she'd personally been through several times. "-or did little miss murder hunt the Nine down?" There was a pause while no one answered, digesting the implications raised by the question, before she added, "'Cause damn, if she hunted them down she deserves a medal but also the PRT has been struggling to pin these assholes down for two decades, right? How the hell did she manage that?"

Jason sighed. "We're not sure. Monster has successfully dissembled about the exact nature of her power repeatedly, even when a tinkertech 'lie detector' was involved, so it's possible her power has a notable Thinker component she's hidden. Matchmaker is known to have a sensory component to her power, but interrogating Heartbreaker's 'family' has left it unclear what the range is on it, how precise it is, and so on. We just don't know the answer here."

Fiadh spoke up. "It's clear that Monster and Matchmaker deliberately sought out the Nine once the attack started, with an improbable amount of success. It's possible they crossed paths with the Nine through dumb luck -Monster was ambushed by Mannequin in a local Rogue's store, according to testimony from multiple sources- but there is no doubt they have some parahuman ability to find people at significant distances. It's the details that are uncertain."

Canary again raised a hand like she was waiting to be called on, but when everyone's attention focused on her she switched to pointing at Menagerie's tablet, the screen frozen on Monster's lidded gaze. "Ah, is- um. Is this normal?" Peg was about to ask what that meant when Canary squeaked and clarified, "I mean, she just -um, she just murdered a man, and I know it's Jack Slash, but you... can see a lot of blood and... she seems really calm?" Peg found herself with a bit more respect for Bad Canary; with how off-kilter she still looked, Peg hadn't expected insightful thoughts just now.

Jason ran a hand through his hair again, which Peg was starting to think was a nervous habit. "Ah, well..." and then he just trailed off.

Just as the silence was turning awkward, Fiadh spoke up, Jason looking extremely relieved to be taken off the hook. "No, that's not normal, and it's given a couple Thinkers a headache already." Fiadh leaned forward onto her interweaved hands, and the resulting angle let Peg see just over the shades to see how distant her focus had gone. It felt a little bit intrusive, like Peg was getting a peek into Fiadh she wasn't really supposed to be seeing... "The kind of person who turns to murder quickly, who keeps turning to it habitually, they tend to get something out of it. You can see it in their eyes, hear it when they talk immediately afterward. It might be abstract, a feeling of exerting control over the world around them so they don't feel helpless, or it might be more primal, a base enjoyment of the act. Monster, by all reports, seems unmoved or angry in the aftermath. A man's life is over, and it doesn't matter to her. It never mattered to her."

... and now Peg was feeling uncomfortable for an entirely different set of reasons.

Menagerie spoke up, sounding awkward. "I feel that's a bit... prejudi-"

And then Poltergeist interrupted, louder than she'd been at any point prior. (Not that she'd been quiet, but... not this loud) "So we're looking at someone who's maybe emotionally detached? Like are we talking an actual, I dunno, disability sort of thing, or what?"

This prompted Jason to speak, seeming also relieved to have the attention pulled away from whatever had just happened with Fiadh. "That -well, I wasn't trying to- anyway, that goes nicely into the... individual stuff. Psych profiles, history, all that. And in, uh, Taylor Hebert's case, we... suspect her trigger event changed her." There was a pause while multiple people tried -and failed- to not glance at Makeshift. (Peg was embarrassed to include herself in this list) "We're-" Jason glanced at his phone, apparently forgotten in his hand, and put it away before continuing with, "We're in the middle of interviews and so on, talking to the school, family, friends, so this is very much an incomplete picture, but broadly speaking she seems to have been a very cheerful but somewhat isolated girl before her mother died in a car crash in 2008."

"So-" Peg found herself starting to say without thinking, but Jason was already shaking his head. (For some reason Bad Canary looked a bit lost?)

"We're pretty sure she triggered later. Everything we've gathered indicates she was... well, callous as it sounds, a normal sort of unhappy." That did in fact answer Peg's question, even if it was an answer she was pretty unhappy to hear -if your mother dying wasn't the worst day of your life, what else happened?- so she kept quiet as Jason kept talking. "The pre-existing isolation means our information is spottier than I'd prefer, primarily coming from her father and one once-friend by the name of Emma Barnes, but they both agree that while Ms Hebert was more withdrawn and moodier afterward, nothing they report suggests anything parahuman was happening. Acquaintances are in basic agreement, too, up until a bit over three months ago. We're still working to get more complete info, but on January 24, Monday, her locker was torn open, filled with blood, and her classmates all report oddities surrounding Ms Hebert starting from around that time, though most of them don't seem to have suspected a parahuman ability. The school did its job and avoided drawing attention to the evidence of a parahuman ability being involved while letting the local PRT office know of the possibility, but school staff don't seem to have noticed anything further, so..."

Fiadh apparently finished the thought. "... no connections were drawn until weeks later, even though they really should've been drawn much sooner." She sounded strongly disapproving there, though Peg wasn't entirely sure what the disapproval was focused on. There was a lot to potentially disapprove of here.

Regardless, Jason nodded absently. "And with that much remove from the original event, memories are spotty, physical evidence has vanished or turned murkier, and so on." Then he shook himself and re-focused on the room. "So we've only got tentative theories on what her trigger event even was, but we've got a good body of evidence from afterward of the right kind of subtle oddities for a parahuman ability to be involved. People simply couldn't find her during lunch hour anymore, classmates noticed she stopped looking tired, her sick days stopped completely... it's all in her file, if you're interested." Then he tugged at his tie again, still looking uncomfortable. "So we're pretty confident on this timeline." This was followed by a small sigh. "So yeah, drastic shift in apparent personality, sufficiently drastic we suspect her trigger influenced her in some fairly overt way. Her father has been cooperating, letting us check journals and so on, and what comes before her trigger event isn't happy, there's some angry stuff that's been dug up, but nothing suggesting she had murder on her mind, while after..." He shook his head, clearly not really happy to be talking about it. "Really casual talk of murder as a solution to problems. And not just problems like the Endbringers."

Fiadh spoke up here, sounding thoughtful. "I wonder how that is from the inside."

Jason blinked. "Pardon?" He clearly wasn't the only one confused.

Fiadh frowned just a little. "You're a normal kid one day, then the next you think murder is a fine answer to life's problems. Does it seem weird and alien, thoughts brought on by your power, like demonic possession? Does it just feel like the same kinds of thoughts you always had? If it's the latter, how do you reconcile your new thoughts with any old thoughts they don't mesh with? What's the story she's telling herself? With the picture painted I'd assume -did assume- that this is an angry kid taking her rage out on the world, like she decided what happened to her was bad enough she should just kill people in revenge, but... none of the school kids died, nor any teachers." Almost the entire room reacted to that; Peg hadn't considered that angle, and was clearly not alone. "Angry vengeance, but not against the people who were closest to your trigger event? Who at least some were likely involved in it happening? Weird. And all our reports and that footage are consistent; she's calm. Weirdly calm. So...?"

Peg turned that thought over in her head for a minute, not really listening to what other people were saying in response. (It didn't sound like much anyway) She couldn't quite wrap her mind around the idea. It made her think a little of puberty, of how she'd seen boys and girls alike switch from 'ew, cooties' to 'I'm intrigued and interested' in a matter of weeks, only that wasn't very helpful because Peg had never been one of those girls who thought boys were gross. The men she'd found admirable as an adult had a lot of overlap with the boys she'd liked when she was a kid, and she'd always just rolled her eyes at the weird things other preteens and teens had said while trying to defend their changing opinions. Still... if it was something that had been done to her, something she didn't necessarily recognize had happened... Peg wondered if maybe it was a little like growing up in an abusive household. Terence had been, well, quite a shitty person when Peg had met him at 16, and it had turned out his parents were worse and he just didn't understand that a lot of what he'd grown up with as normal was not normal and also was really awful for no reason. It had taken a lot of talks, a lot of asking him what he thought was the purpose of garbage rules like 'if a kid leaves the table for any reason, everything they hadn't eaten yet goes in the trash, and they can't eat snacks between meals', to get him to start recognizing that he'd been instilled with a lot of shitty behavior... but once he'd understood it, he'd taken to improvement like flame to a candle, a steady effort to make himself better. By the time they'd parted ways when he was 21, he'd been... imperfect, but far better, and still trying to improve.

Maybe this was like that, where Monster -where Taylor- had a thoughtless background of 'normal' she didn't really question, didn't realize how effed up it was, and could be talked around to better behaviour by just getting her to see that.

Peg hoped so.
 
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Maybe this was like that, where Monster -where Taylor- had a thoughtless background of 'normal' she didn't really question, didn't realize how effed up it was, and could be talked around to better behaviour by just getting her to see that.

Peg hoped so.

That gives me hope for the first, inevitable, encounter.

Not for the relation to not be antagonistic, there are good reasons to want to stop Taylor and she isn't going to comply, but for there to be some understanding even then.

Peg already seem to have clocked that Taylor is not a case of just *being evil*, as does everyone in the room, I am pretty sure, now I wonder what direction said understanding will be pushed in by circumstances.
 
Foundation fiddled with a piece of her costume, hooked a thumb at her face, and said, "Y'get that with tall girls, especially tall girls in a costume that hides the rest of their physique." From the expression on Foundation's face, Peg got the impression there was an embarrassing-but-amusing story there. Foundation pinking slightly as she continued seemed a pretty strong confirmation. "You sure Monster didn't do it on accident?" Peg was pretty sure the implication there was that Foundation had experienced exactly such an accident herself. Certainly, the woman was taller than most of the men Peg knew...

There was a meditative silence in which Peg got the distinct impression neither Jason nor Fiadh had considered the possibility this was a misunderstanding rather than a deception, and Peg mentally added a notch to each of their stooge counters, a little disappointed. She'd been starting to forget they were PRT stooges, especially Jason, but at the end of the day... stooges.
Honestly, if I was in this meeting and I hadn't decided the information I was being presented was unreliable before, this would be where I'd definitely decide to take everything with a grain of salt.
 
I'm interested in Peg's relationship with Haunt. We keep seeing interesting little hints.
Are they clustermates ? Exes ?
 
As an aside, shortly before actually posting this chapter I finally hammered out a timeline point and made a noticeable modification to my previously-hazy notion of exactly when this briefing is happening. As such, there might be inconsistencies with the prior chapters I haven't caught. I think there shouldn't be, but if anything leaps out at you, do let me know.

The writing makes a fairly dull meeting rather interesting. I'm liking the internal narration here.

One of my background goals with this prologue is, well, I'm aware it's a normal notion out there that Briefings Are Boring, and I've long felt the problem isn't Briefings Are Boring, but rather that briefings get written in boring ways. (Most obvious is when a briefing is a unidirectional interaction, just one guy talking while everybody else listens in silence) So I wanted to write an Interesting Briefing, put my money where my mouth is metaphorically.

So it's nice to get confirmation it's working for at least one person.

I'm interested in Peg's relationship with Haunt. We keep seeing interesting little hints.
Are they clustermates ? Exes ?

I'm not sure how to answer the clustermate notion, and not because Spoiler Warning, but simply because my impulse is 'no, they're absolutely not Ward-style clustermates, what I've got defined makes that impossible', but then I realize I already have invisibly-to-the-audience cluster capes where my concept of them is incompatible with Ward's presentation of cluster-capes. (And even to a degree Worm canon's limited coverage of the concept)

When I was first exposed to the notion of clustermates, the idea I had in my head was more powers 'crossbreeding', where you'd have a pyrokinesis power and a teleporter power and the two capes triggering would each end up with a unified power derived from those base components. One of them would turn into Burnscar, with the teleporting-into-fires stuff alongside the fire control, while the other would turn into a teleporter who explodes in a burst of fire at their teleportation destination. (And probably have other elements, but this is an off-the-cuff hypothetical) I vaguely had this notion that this was part of how Entities developed new powers so they could have the crazy variety they have, a sort of sexual-reproduction-but-superpowers evolutionary model, which is completely different from the canon 'everybody in the cluster gets the powers of every member' model. (Which is just... incredibly boring of a model)

And my in-my-head model actually would allow for Haunt and Peg to be clustermates, since they both have teleportation powers but very different details.

I will note that, like most of Ward, any depictions of clusters won't involve the entire stupid 'kiss/kill' thing Ward lays out. For one thing, it feels less like worldbuilding and more like an attempt to have a bunch of people 100% committed to killing Rain in particular so they can be antagonists while trying to dodge the 'you know, if that many people want you dead, maybe you did something deserving of such hate?' aspect, as part of its ongoing effort to convince the audience that Rain Is A Good Guy Who Just Made One Mistake.

Pretty much, they constantly went off track and completely failed to do anything except instill fear of the subject.

I'm not sure where you're getting either part of this from? They're briefing the team on a complex topic involving multiple people whose histories and abilities need to be summarized using what info they have available, while having to 'catch up' two different people who weren't Protectorate capes until five seconds ago and so are very unlikely to be familiar with PRT jargon and whatnot. That's not something you can boil down to a simple clear throughline, and if they tried, that would be the incompetent choice.

By a similar token, I'm not sure where you're getting 'instilling fear of the subject' from? Paige is disturbed, of course, but she's literally a pop idol who has been yanked into this duty; she's disturbed by a lot of Normal Parahuman Things. Peg's response to Cherie was much more 'instill fear of the subject'.

So I'm just confused by this post?

If anything is probably more competent than how canon Worm/Ward PRT team briefings go

The canon PRT/P briefings is one of those things where I first took them as intentionally showing us how awful the Protectorate and PRT are, that their 'briefings' and related are both horribly uninformative and really biased. (It really stuck with me the conversation around what name to stick Taylor with, where they were talking about how they can't stick her with too pathetic a name because they lost, but are still prioritizing giving her a repellant name because That's Just What You Do With Villains apparently)

Nowadays, having read a lot of Wildbow's later writing, I'm depressed to realize they're constructed that way because that's more or less what Wildbow thinks a competent and professional person does when communicating critical info to people.
 
As such, there might be inconsistencies with the prior chapters I haven't caught. I think there shouldn't be, but if anything leaps out at you, do let me know.
The only inconsistency that I feel there is is the near total lack of reference to the video of Taylor killing Jack, at least in regard to speculating about Taylor's motives. The interlude in Monster with the video specifically has Taylor ask Jack to repent, and also say that she's killing people like him to make the world a better place. The fact that the PRT people aren't bringing it up is fine, they're the voices of "the Man" and them espousing the info and perspectives given to them is only natural. However, no one else even mentions the video despite everyone but Canary seeming to have watched it, until this chapter in which it is strictly framed as something like Taylor's "big debut", or as the video in which someone kills Jack Slash. It just seems odd to me that no one, not even Peg in her internal narration, seems to reference the video as a possible hint toward her motives.
 
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Surprisingly, Bad Canary spoke up here. (Actually, this seemed to surprise everyone, not just Peg. Well. Maybe not Makeshift; Peg wasn't sure what 'surprised' looked like on them) "You mean, like... autism?"

Peg was drawing a blank on the word. (It didn't sound like a real word to Peg, but nobody else responded like it was weird, so...) Jason shrugging and saying, "Sort of," didn't exactly help, so Peg was relieved when he continued with an actual clarification
Huh. I'm surprised to see autism isn't too widely known about in Worm, as it seems relatively common knowledge nowadays. Maybe I'm just biased as an Asperger's individual though.

I also vaguely got the vibe one of the group isn't too fond of anyone with a disability?
 
The canon PRT/P briefings is one of those things where I first took them as intentionally showing us how awful the Protectorate and PRT are, that their 'briefings' and related are both horribly uninformative and really biased. (It really stuck with me the conversation around what name to stick Taylor with, where they were talking about how they can't stick her with too pathetic a name because they lost, but are still prioritizing giving her a repellant name because That's Just What You Do With Villains apparently)

Nowadays, having read a lot of Wildbow's later writing, I'm depressed to realize they're constructed that way because that's more or less what Wildbow thinks a competent and professional person does when communicating critical info to people.
Emily Piggot's interact in the briefings are one of the clearest examples I've seen that she is a verbal and emotionally abusive victim blamer who 100% needs a restraining order preventing her from interacting with children.

That some people apparently defend her and how she treats the various wards as slave-child-soldiers is just horrifying
 
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Huh. I'm surprised to see autism isn't too widely known about in Worm, as it seems relatively common knowledge nowadays. Maybe I'm just biased as an Asperger's individual though.

I also vaguely got the vibe one of the group isn't too fond of anyone with a disability?
Ok, reminder, Worm is set in 2011, and IIRC Monster didn't change the timeline. Also as someone with Asperger's, I'd be very surprised to read about this kind of ignorance in a college administrative meeting set then, but for broader society it was barely breaking into discussion.
 
Emily Piggot's interact in the briefings are one of the clearest examples I've seen that she is a verbal and emotionally abusive victim blamer who 100% needs a restraining order preventing her from interacting with children.

That some people apparently defend her and how she treats the various wards as slave-child-soldiers is just horrifying
Huh. I tend to have a pretty good opinion of Director Piggot, buuuut I'm one of those people who's never read pretty much any of Worm (or Ward), just various fanfics. "a verbal and emotionally abusive victim blamer who 100% needs a restraining order preventing her from interacting with children" doesn't fit my impression of her, but that may just mean that the stories I've read have generally had much less bad Emily Piggots.
 
Huh. I tend to have a pretty good opinion of Director Piggot, buuuut I'm one of those people who's never read pretty much any of Worm (or Ward), just various fanfics. "a verbal and emotionally abusive victim blamer who 100% needs a restraining order preventing her from interacting with children" doesn't fit my impression of her, but that may just mean that the stories I've read have generally had much less bad Emily Piggots.

The immense majority of fics do tend to remove her most abrasive points, and as they are the ones that lead to Ghoul king calling her out as a victim blamer who emotionally abuses kids, it makes sense you wouldn't think of her that way if you haven't read Worm.

For info, some of the things she does in canon includes such joy as:

-asking to carpet bomb a place she knew the undersiders where in with Bakuda bombs because *it might kill Crawler*, without telling them, when she also knew that Crawler would have happily stayed in place if they had told him they were going to try to kill him so there was no reason to do that. She also explicitly saying that she did hope they were going to get caught in the blast when called out on it.

-Is explicitly bigoted towards capes, and says it herself in her own head.

-Dress down the wards at various points in ways that makes it quite clear she expects them to be good child soldiers.

And that's what I can remember on the tip of my head, not even close to everything she does.

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To be fair, it's not as if this phenomenon is exclusive to Piggot either, almost every characters is a worse person in canon compared to most fanfics.

Miss Militia never questions orders, including morally dubious ones, she's definitely not a voice of reason as some fics like to pretend.

Armsmaster is already proud in canon, but there is a WOG that explains how he would have happily enslaved Dragon and licked Coil's boots if it meant more glory for him in a hypothetical alternate timeline where Coil ended up winning.

Uber and Leet work with Bakuda knowing full well she has put bombs in the heads of ABB members for kicks, and worked for Coil.

The undersiders' (minus Taylor) reaction to learning about Dinah was a shrug then continuing as if the guy wasn't keeping a young teen drugged after kidnapping her.

Lung is not a yakuza with honor, but a slaving thug.

Doctor mother's first reaction to the Siberian was to tell Alexandria that they should let Manton go free because *it would make people flock to the PRT* (somehow) right after Alexandria watched Hero get killed and lost her eye.

And so on and so forth.
 
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Honestly, if I was in this meeting and I hadn't decided the information I was being presented was unreliable before, this would be where I'd definitely decide to take everything with a grain of salt.

"It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It."

The undersiders' (minus Taylor) reaction to learning about Dinah was a shrug then continuing as if the guy wasn't keeping a young teen drugged after kidnapping her.

IIRC The PRT/Protectorate also shrugged their shoulders when Coil all but admitted that he was holding her in sensory deprivation.

Not to mention that "Defiant" did nothing despite knowing about Becky's "interrogation" shtick. And I believe that Militia went so far as blaming her own inaction on Taylor, that "everyone else had a plan."
 
For Piggot specifically, what really stands out about her to me in canon is that she consistently treats the Wards really badly.

At the bank robbery, the Wards got sent against the Undersiders- a team containing two known murderers- with no apparent support or backup from the PRT. In the aftermath, Piggot then chewed the Wards out for Victoria's actions and punished them by docking their pay. She also explicitly says that she chose to do this because Dean, who was the one that got Victoria involved, is rich enough not to be bothered by financial penalties so she decided to collectively punish the Wards instead.

After Leviathan, we see that she didn't get any of the Wards therapy even though their teammates died, and Weld actually had to convince her. In fact, I'm pretty sure Piggot thinks therapy is a waste of time.

Then we have the entire Sophia debacle happening on her watch, which reflects very poorly on Piggot's ability to manage her subordinates. Even though Sophia was on probation, somehow nobody picked up that she was bullying other students in her civilian life and using lethal ammunition to try to kill Grue as a cape. And when it did come out, when Sophia was mastered- and also sexually assaulted, because Alec is another character who is much, much worse than the fandom likes to remember- Piggot just washed her hands of the whole thing and had Sophia thrown straight into prison. So I'm left with the distinct impression that Piggot saw Sophia solely as an asset and made no effort whatsoever to either keep her in check or to actually provide her with a stable environment to help reintegrate her into society, which is the explicit purpose of the Wards.
 
The only inconsistency that I feel there is is the near total lack of reference to the video of Taylor killing Jack, at least in regard to speculating about Taylor's motives. The interlude in Monster with the video specifically has Taylor ask Jack to repent, and also say that she's killing people like him to make the world a better place. The fact that the PRT people aren't bringing it up is fine, they're the voices of "the Man" and them espousing the info and perspectives given to them is only natural. However, no one else even mentions the video despite everyone but Canary seeming to have watched it, until this chapter in which it is strictly framed as something like Taylor's "big debut", or as the video in which someone kills Jack Slash. It just seems odd to me that no one, not even Peg in her internal narration, seems to reference the video as a possible hint toward her motives.

Not really the kind of inconsistency I meant, actually.

But yes, when I originally wrote this chunk, I was too fried by the Nightmare Apartment to do a proper side-by-side writing approach, so it's a bit vaguer than I'd prefer. I might expand that section in the coming days if I feel up to it, have the time, etc.

(The expected weather for my area is sufficiently miserable this seems a bit unlikely to happen so soon, mind)

Huh. I'm surprised to see autism isn't too widely known about in Worm, as it seems relatively common knowledge nowadays. Maybe I'm just biased as an Asperger's individual though.

As noted, still in 2011 in-story. I personally first became aware of the autism diagnosis myself early/mid 2000s, and if it weren't for my mother doing a lot of digging into relatively non-mainstream stuff to try to understand and cope with our various quirks, I wouldn't have heard about it until... reading Worm itself in 2013, I think. So I'm pretty sure that in 2011 it was still pretty normal to be entirely ignorant of the concept.

I've actually been surprised at how quickly autism awareness has turned semi-mainstream. When I was first learning of it, I was expecting it to remain a thing people are mostly ignorant of for at least the next two decades, if not longer. That multiple movies have had only moderately cringey representation of autism already, for example, is honestly shocking to me.

The immense majority of fics do tend to remove her most abrasive points, and as they are the ones that lead to Ghoul king calling her out as a victim blamer who emotionally abuses kids, it makes sense you wouldn't think of her that way if you haven't read Worm.

It was Xon who said that, actually, but I have myself said before that fanfic tends to not really try to write canon Piggot. Like, on my Tumblr back in 2018 I have a post where I talk about alt-power Taylor patterns, and in it my #9 slot is discussing how fanfic Piggot basically never gets written particularly akin to her canon self.

Huh. I tend to have a pretty good opinion of Director Piggot, buuuut I'm one of those people who's never read pretty much any of Worm (or Ward), just various fanfics. "a verbal and emotionally abusive victim blamer who 100% needs a restraining order preventing her from interacting with children" doesn't fit my impression of her, but that may just mean that the stories I've read have generally had much less bad Emily Piggots.

I'm a little more generous to Piggot in specific than Xon, but only by virtue of placing a lot of the blame for how fucked-up her behavior is on how fucked-up the situation is. Earth Bet America being set up so the overwhelming default if you trigger is 'go Villain or go Hero, those are your only options' means non-Villain kid capes are being pigeonholed into being child soldiers/child police, and there's basically no way for Piggot to interact with that context that isn't fundamentally deeply unpleasant. (Aside 'do everything in her power to fight against this being normalized', but that's a big enough ask it's not strongly damning of her to not take that route)

And my more generous take has some big qualifiers to it. There's still several moments I place as indefensible (eg when she's perfectly happy with the idea of the Undersiders getting caught in the carpet-bombing-Crawler plan), and furthermore my generous take in part relies on not taking very seriously the WoGs about how Brockton Bay's Wards are weirdos for actually getting intentionally sent into combat situations on the regular. If you do take that stuff seriously, then Piggot's handling of the Wards isn't This Is Just How Bet America Is, but is pretty specifically her choosing to ignore general policy on how to handle Wards, at which point she directly bears more blame for the child soldier/child police status of the BB Wards, is fighting against the tide to keep them in that space instead of simply going along with what's normal, and everything about how she handles things like reprimands switches from 'general policy' to 'Piggot's personal decision', making her most unpleasant moments more damning of her in particular.

It's also worth mentioning that in Worm, our two main examples of PRT Directors are Piggot and Tagg, and Tagg is so much more of an outrageous asshole that I suspect a lot of readers end up 'softening' their mental image of her simply because Tagg raises the bar on awfulness so high. ("On a scale of 1 to 10 on Awfulness, I rate Piggot as a 9!" "Say hi to Tagg." "... I revise my rating of Piggot to a 4, with Tagg as 10.")

After Leviathan, we see that she didn't get any of the Wards therapy even though their teammates died, and Weld actually had to convince her. In fact, I'm pretty sure Piggot thinks therapy is a waste of time.

Yeah, that is one of those moments that stood out to me. Like, I've mentioned my father was in the Army, so I had an awareness that the Army has sayings like 'You can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs', which was meant as 'we expect a certain rate of deaths in training'.

Nonetheless, when a guy did die during training, my dad's entire unit had mandatory therapy for months afterward.

So Piggot thinking that teammates of children dying doesn't merit therapy or the like is pretty alarming. Especially given we see the PRT has their own specialized therapy system. (ie Piggot's position isn't a Normal Thing To Think across the PRT) It's overloaded and all, yeah, but we don't hear that the Wards aren't getting therapy by virtue of the earliest slot to fit them in being three months out or something. It apparently was just ignored as an option.
 
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That multiple movies have had only moderately cringey representation of autism already, for example, is honestly shocking to me.

I know of a french-belgian where one of the main character is autistic, and it's a very good representation too.

That is quite the incredible leap from even a few years ago, that for sure.

It was Xon who said that, actually, but I have myself said before that fanfic tends to not really try to write canon Piggot. Like, on my Tumblr back in 2018 I have a post where I talk about alt-power Taylor patterns, and in it my #9 slot is discussing how fanfic Piggot basically never gets written particularly akin to her canon self.

Man does rule 3 hits hard in the *yeah, I can see it and I would prefer if I couldn't* feeling.

Especially the *Tattletale flee in terror* part of it, so many cases of that it's not even funny.

Rule 6 has slightly slowed down nowadays... or maybe I have learned enough to detect the early signs of it coming up and dodge the fic, either or.

Wildbow hates rule number 10, by the way, just have to look at how she was treated in Ward and WOGs to see it.

Nonetheless, when a guy did die during training, my dad's entire unit had mandatory therapy for months afterward.

So Piggot thinking that teammates of children dying doesn't merit therapy or the like is pretty alarming. Especially given we see the PRT has their own specialized therapy system. (ie Piggot's position isn't a Normal Thing To Think across the PRT) It's overloaded and all, yeah, but we don't hear that the Wards aren't getting therapy by virtue of the earliest slot to fit them in being three months out or something. It apparently was just ignored as an option.

This reminds me:

Given the kind of heavy topics the monster hunters are likely to meet in the field, are they going to get therapy?

What you say here imply a yes, but I am interested in seeing for sure. No problems if it's a spoiler, by the way.
 
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