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The Second Rome: A Quest of Ancient Byzantium

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[X] The Alexiad
[X] The Isaurian
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You are Constantine the Phoenician.
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And have the alias, Sewa the African.

For the Arab and Phoenician connections alone, I must make a futile vote against the majority.

[x] The Two Emperors - The year is 968, and the ruling emperor is one Nikephoros II Phokas, called the Hammer of the Arabs and the White Death of the Saracens.
[x] The Favoured - You are Constantine the Phoenician. Your father John of Phoenicia was a servant close to the Emperor's heart, a bosom companion who had followed him since childhood.
 
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Hey, @Telamon, what would happen if we became Emperor and then converted to Islam? Is that a choice we might get later down the line? Could we become the Ottomans centuries before the Ottomans?

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Any chance we could marry off a daughter matrillinearly to a sayyid and then have our grandson inherit? To be both Roman Emperor and a Caliph: Commander of the Faithful?
 
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[X] The Isaurian
Any time period is fine.
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[x] The Two Emperors - The year is 968, and the ruling emperor is one Nikephoros II Phokas, called the Hammer of the Arabs and the White Death of the Saracens

Low mediaeval best mediaeval!!! :mad:
 
[x] The Two Emperors - The year is 968, and the ruling emperor is one Nikephoros II Phokas, called the Hammer of the Arabs and the White Death of the Saracens.
[x] The Favoured - You are Constantine the Phoenician. Your father John of Phoenicia was a servant close to the Emperor's heart, a bosom companion who had followed him since childhood.
 
[X] The Komnenian Restoration
[X] The Dragon
 
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Satar said:
Hey, @Telamon, what would happen if we became Emperor and then converted to Islam? Is that a choice we might get later down the line? Could we become the Ottomans centuries before the Ottomans?

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Any chance we could marry off a daughter matrillinearly to a sayyid and then have our grandson inherit? To be both Roman Emperor and a Caliph: Commander of the Faithful?
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I think I answered this question best in another thread.

Telamon said:
I'll leave this little tidbit from St. Gregory of Nyssa:

"The whole city [of Constantinople] is full of [arguments about Theology], the squares, the market places, the cross-roads, the alleyways; old-clothes men, money changers, food sellers: they are all busy arguing. If you ask someone to give you change, he philosophizes about the Begotten and the Unbegotten; if you inquire about the price of a loaf, you are told by way of reply that the Father is greater and the Son inferior; if you ask 'Is my bath ready?' the attendant answers that the Son was made out of nothing."

The Church and religion were an intrinsical part of the Eastern Roman Empire. To be Greek was to be Roman was to be (Orthodox) Christian. Separating any of those concepts from the other would require the fall of the empire and the rise of secularization, and it's still an incomplete process to this day[...]

[...]There is a story, possibly apocryphal, possibly not, of a Byzantine Emperor who professed some small liturgical heresy, a belief that erred, however so slightly, from the canon of the Church.

The mob that formed upon hearing of this stormed the Imperial Palace, overwhelming the Varangian Guard. They murdered the Emperor's entire family, then dragged him to the Haga Sophia. There they castrated him, blinded him, and slit his nose open, before tying him to a throne in the center of the cathedral, on the very dias upon which he had been crowned. He choked to death on his own blood over the course of hours.

Crowns, gold, wealth and power; in the City of Constantine, all these pale before the might of the Cross.
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In short: it's unlikely. Even with maximum popularity and influence, a Muslim emperor/empress would likely be murdered in his/her sleep, at best. He would almost certainly lose the Imperial legitimacy (divinely bestowed and confirmed by the Patriarch of Constantinople), and public sentiment would swing almost entirely against him, even if he were a hero-emperor. At the very best, he might be a new Julian the Apostate, and his reign remembered as another oddity in a long line of emperors. At worst, he might be subject to a damnatio memoriae or a historical hatchet job like Caligula, Elagabalus, and other emperors who got on the bad side of (Christian) biographers.

Either way, it would almost certainly end in blood.
 
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Let's hope Telamon actually finishes this one, or at least we get to Emperor.

[X] The Komnenian Restoration
[X] The Dragon

This seems like it could be moderately difficult, making for a fun challenge. Since the Byzantines control the Roman Church, we could use that control to prevent the Fourth Crusade, which to my understanding is where it all began to fall apart for the Byzantine Empire.
 
Due to me just getting done with CKII using the Ancient Religions Mod,
I am quite interested in reforming rome with the either a worship of the Titans or a return to the roman gods like Sol Invictus
 
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Well, as Telamon said, trying to switch our religion would likely result in our assassination, and we'd probably lose any support we have with the Western powers, and we wouldn't gain any support from the East, so it would be risking everything for nothing.
 
[X] The Komnenian Restoration
[X] The Isaurian
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[X] The Komnenian Restoration
[X] The Scion

Revan Skirata said:
This seems like it could be moderately difficult, making for a fun challenge. Since the Byzantines control the Roman Church, we could use that control to prevent the Fourth Crusade, which to my understanding is where it all began to fall apart for the Byzantine Empire.
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If you refer to sack of Constantinople it was direct concequenc of internal power struggle inside the Byzantine Empire with prince Alexios calling in crusaders and using them to become coemperor only to be deposed and killed in uprising leaving crusaders without a pay and promised help to retake back Jerusalem. So stop that and 4th crusade will go toward Jerusalem where it was ment to and be a headache to Egypt ( dominant Muslim power at the time and our rival) .
I believe that what we need to do is win the battle of Myriokephalon (a battle that Manuel lost in OTL) and gain interior of Asia Minor from the Turks wich will make our territories in the east easier to defend.
 
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Can it be?

It is.

Friends, Romans, countrymen! Let us force the hand of fate, and make whole what we know was once great and glorious!

Basileus Basileon Basileuon Basileuonton!

[X] The Alexiad
[X] The Scion

I can never turn down the Argyroi.
 
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