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The Rose's Ocean (RWBY/One Piece)

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Once Ruby figures out Adam Wood-slight brain derail, but the most prominent Adam she knows of is Adam Taurus.

Anyways, once Ruby figures out Adam Wood, that's a major upgrade in itself. But now I'm thinking more about the wild wacky flora of One Piece - Ruby could make bubbles with Mangrove trees, or if she ever encounters them isn't the place Usopp goes in the timeskip a giant plant? A big flytrap iirc.

She could also make fake Devil Fruits maybe - fruits that look visually like Devil Fruits but have no actual effect and sell them to people. There's canonically a Fruit with the power to tell bad jokes I think, after all. Not sure she'd go for a scam like that, but it's a thought in my brain.
 
Garm352 said:
Anyways, once Ruby figures out Adam Wood, that's a major upgrade in itself
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That's part of the reason upgrading to the Sunny is ultimately more pragmatic. Ruby can make enough Adam Wood that the Sunny can be far bigger in canon. A bigger keel, a bigger soldier dock system, ect.

The Merry isn't a ship made for the Grand Line, I've said that before and I'll probably say it again. She was meant for the Weakest Sea, not for the Strongest. Sooner or later, it was going to have to be replaced and better to do it before it got someone on the crew killed.

And the idea of giving her a Zoan to let her make it to Laughtale, 1) requires them somehow finding one ans 2) figuring out the secret to "feeding" an inanimate object a Devil Fruit.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
2) figuring out the secret to "feeding" an inanimate object a Devil Fruit.
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My answer to this is that, by the time they get through Enies Lobby, Merry has a klaubtermann, and whatever comes from feeding a spirit a zoan devil fruit will be similar to Brook. Which also circumvents the whole broken spine issue and stuff. Although granted, conveniently finding an appropriate zoan devil fruit is an issue without outside context. But again, Enies Lobby.

In the end, it's your choice how you take this story, and I'm not a die hard for saving Merry. I'm just happy at seeing another One Piece fic.
 
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Tennybro said:
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But that misses the point of a Klaubtermann in real world mythology. You're supposed to only see a Klaubtermann on a doomed ship. From the moment Merry manifested a Klaubtermann, she was in her death throes.

Tennybro said:
feeding a spirit a zoan devil fruit will be similar to Brook
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That's a major assumption. Brooks is the result of a Devil Fruit that specifically affects the soul, and only triggered upon death. The idea that Merry would just magically become a half spirit, half animal hybrid instead of affecting her "Body" (IE, the actual Merry) is a massive assumption.

Tennybro said:
Although granted, conveniently finding an appropriate zoan devil fruit is an issue without outside context. But again, Enies Lobby
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If there was a third Devil Fruit in Enies Lobby, assuming no outside interference like This Bites! Spandam would have absolutely fed it to Fukuro or Kumadori. As said in the scene where he feeds Kaku and Kalifa theirs, you never get weaker by eating a Devil Fruit (beyond the loss of your ability to swim) so there's no real benfit to not having one of them eat it since he wouldn't care about their ability to swim.

It's not like Enies Lobby is Punk Hazard where you'll just find a bunch of artificial Zoan. If there's a Devil Fruit there, it will get eaten.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
But that misses the point of a Klaubtermann in real world mythology. You're supposed to only see a Klaubtermann on a doomed ship. From the moment Merry manifested a Klaubtermann, she was in her death throes.


That's a major assumption. Brooks is the result of a Devil Fruit that specifically affects the soul, and only triggered upon death. The idea that Merry would just magically become a half spirit, half animal hybrid instead of affecting her "Body" (IE, the actual Merry) is a massive assumption.


If there was a third Devil Fruit in Enies Lobby, assuming no outside interference like This Bites! Spandam would have absolutely fed it to Fukuro or Kumadori. As said in the scene where he feeds Kaku and Kalifa theirs, you never get weaker by eating a Devil Fruit (beyond the loss of your ability to swim) so there's no real benfit to not having one of them eat it since he wouldn't care about their ability to swim.

It's not like Enies Lobby is Punk Hazard where you'll just find a bunch of artificial Zoan. If there's a Devil Fruit there, it will get eaten.
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This isn't the real world though, this is One Piece, and feeding a devil fruit to Merry's Klaubtermann is different than feeding it to the ship itself.

As for the brook comparison, I was referring more to the fact that he is capable of separating his soul from his body. So once you feed a zoan devil fruit to a spirit, it'd be safe to assume that it's physical body would be different. This is also ignoring the kind of effects that Moria's or Linlin's devil fruit have, which can also be used as a point of reference to argue for a spirit/animal hybrid.

And you seem to be ignoring the option of killing one of the cp9 agents and stealing their devil fruit. Jabra would be my choice in this scenario just for the wolf in sheep's clothing metaphor.
 
Tennybro said:
And you seem to be ignoring the option of killing one of the cp9 agents and stealing their devil fruit. Jabra would be my choice in this scenario just for the wolf in sheep's clothing metaphor
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No, I just figured it'd be obvious that nobody on the crew is stupid enough to go hunting for a Devil Fruit that could have regrown anywhere in Enies Lobby (or further if there wasn't an appropriate plant on Enies Lobby) during both the time crunch of saving Robin and then the Buster Call. Seriously, it's not like someone dies and then shits out the Devil Fruit. It, depending on the source, regrows in the nearest plant of the appropriate type or any appropriate plant in the world.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
Seriously, it's not like someone dies and then shits out the Devil Fruit. It, depending on the source, regrows in the nearest plant of the appropriate type or any appropriate plant in the world.
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Devil Fruits are supposed to be rare and it's not something one can just casually find at the market or learn what it is from a book that catalogues Devil Fruits. As shown when Kaku and Kalifa were given Devil Fruits (Ox-Ox Fruit, Model: Giraffe and Bubble-Bubble Fruit) that weren't identified when CP9 found them at some point and the two had to take a gamble of what powers they will get when eating them.

And also, Devil Fruit circulation is random and unpredictable. Because if it were that easy to have a Devil Fruit reincarnated into another fruit (like bringing a basket of fruits - as shown in This Bites where Whitey Bay killed an old hag who possessed the Cold-Cold Fruit and acquired it quickly) after the death of the user, then the Blackbeard Pirates would have a far easier time taking more Devil Fruits to add to their growing arsenal during their rapid rise to power post-Marineford War.
 
Warmachine375 said:
like bringing a basket of fruits - as shown in This Bites where Whitey Bay killed an old hag who possessed the Cold-Cold Fruit and acquired it quickly
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Ok, to be fair there is precident for that in canon. Ceaser does the exact same thing woth a bushel of apples before having Smiley dies.

Bit yeah, to give an idea, say you kill Kaku. You know need to search the entire Tower of Law for a banana. And if there aren't any? You need to search the entire of Enies Lobby for one. And if there aren't any there? You need to search the closest island in proximity to Enies Lobby for one. Finding a Devil Fruit, as you said, is not easy and as I said, not something they have time to do when they need to rescue Robin and then bug out before the Buster Call hits them.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
Ok, to be fair there is precedent for that in canon. Ceaser does the exact same thing with a bushel of apples before having Smiley dies.

But yeah, to give an idea, say you kill Kaku. You know need to search the entire Tower of Law for a banana. And if there aren't any? You need to search the entire of Enies Lobby for one. And if there aren't any there? You need to search the closest island in proximity to Enies Lobby for one. Finding a Devil Fruit, as you said, is not easy and as I said, not something they have time to do when they need to rescue Robin and then bug out before the Buster Call hits them.
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True, and that you previously stated if Spandam had acquired another spare Devil Fruit, he wouldn't keep it locked at his office (in This Bites, Cross found the Human-Human Fruit, Model: Child at said office that he looted to be given to Going Merry later on), he'd just give it to CP9 who will make good use of it or even eat it himself if he is desperate to have an edge despite having no actual combat experience.
 
The Merry's death is pretty impactful, story-wise, lots of conflict and character development there. I'm pretty happy with that.

Just throwing my hat in the ring, since it's pretty interesting thinking of ways Merry could pull through.

So. Aura. Physical manifestation of the soul. We have Ruby here awakening Zoro's. Why not Merry? Anything that has a soul can have their Aura awakened, and if Zwei can have his awakened, why not Merry's?

Also, have this percolating in my mind for quite a bit. Armament. It's really not plausible for a New World veteran teaching the Straw Hats about that this early in the Grand Line, but, I dunno, it's a could-be, what-if scenario.

Armament on the whole Merry is a pretty interesting visual, and Usopp, I think, would be pretty motivated to learn that. That is if it'll even work on the ship.
 
I feel like there's a derail happening here where people are seeing other people talk about the Merry bit rather than focusing on what makes this story actually different - the crossover I mean.

The applications of Aura to the crew are a much more interesting thing to discuss I think, as would the the topic of potential semblances.

Zoro has Aura now. What would be his Semblance and would he even want to use it? What if he gains a Semblance that makes sword fighting easier in some way but he feels like that cheapens his training? Interesting thoughts.

What's the core of Zoro's character? I'd say it's loyalty. Loyalty to his promise to Kuina. Loyalty to Luffy and the crew.

So what would develop from that, power wise? How does he develop a Semblance of Loyalty? And given Zoro it's something straightforwards. Maybe an empowerment when acting in pursuit of promises made to those he cares about? Or something that just speeds up his training? Or maybe it's just a mental thing of some sort.
 
Garm352 said:
Zoro has Aura now. What would be his Semblance and would he even want to use it? What if he gains a Semblance that makes sword fighting easier in some way but he feels like that cheapens his training? Interesting thoughts.
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It'd be funny if Zoro unwittingly develops a Semblance to make him follow directions correctly or just give him a healing factor to keep him fighting and training.

The scar from Mihawk would remain though.
 
Garm352 said:
So what would develop from that, power wise? How does he develop a Semblance of Loyalty? And given Zoro it's something straightforwards. Maybe an empowerment when acting in pursuit of promises made to those he cares about? Or something that just speeds up his training? Or maybe it's just a mental thing of some sort.
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I think a semblance similar to Vergil's Mirage Blades ability would be fitting, at least thematically. For zoro specifically, the ability to teleport to one of the other crew members would be very useful. But if we're going to go off of loyalty…maybe some sort of weapon empowerment? Or sword specific telekinesis? I think something can be done to synergize with sandai kitetsu having chosen Zoro specifically, and we can assume that Wado Ichimonji chose Zoro as well, even if it doesn't have a soul yet.
 
Garm352 said:
What would be his Semblance and would he even want to use it
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I'm personally of the opinion that the answer to that is a resounding no, for Zoro. Like Roman or Watts, he would actively refuse to learn his Semblance out of feeling something like that would be a crutch that disgraces the honor of his and Kunia practicing their asses off to get better at combat.

Does that mean the other Strawhats are gonna be so honorable? No, of course not, especially members like Nami or Usopp who really don't have much going on for themselves, but Zoro is strong enough to make that decision for himself.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
Like Roman or Watts, he would actively refuse to learn his Semblance out of feeling something like that would be a crutch that disgraces the honor of his and Kunia practicing their asses off to get better at combat.
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Although, Zoro ain't gonna say no to Aura healing after every battle he fought in and it'll come in handy when it comes with taking all the pain of Luffy pushed out by Kuma and the loss of his eye from the training under Mihawk.
 
Yeah, I feel like Zoro is the type of person to go "Auric Shielding? That's dishonorable. Auric Healing? That shit is gold. So long as he continues to gather scars from his various escapades, he's fine with it.
 
I just want to take this chance to reafirm I'm never, ever wrong.

No, but in all seriousness, it's time for me to eat crow and acknowledge a fuck up on my part. According to chapter 691 (King of the Land of the Dead), Logia can merge with their element and control it and therefore the idea that Ruby could fix Merry's keel is not ridiculous.

That doesn't remove any of the other problems with the concept of saving the Merry (ship og Theseus paradox, the fact that she's isn't big enough for a crew that is growing and that a Caravel just plain isn't suited for Paradise, let alone the New World) but that particular issue would be convincably fixable so long as I don't rule that Ruby's power only works on living plants.
 
I think that an argument could be made that since Merry has a Klabautermann, it wouldn't work. So far as we have seen, excepting Devil Fruits that specifically allow for the takeover of other conscious beings and Awakenings, you cannot merge with other people.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
that particular issue would be convincably fixable so long as I don't rule that Ruby's power only works on living plants.
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There's an option of making Going Merry so damaged not even Ruby can fix it with all the Adam Wood she can produce.

I checked that Going Merry tend to take a lot of punishment throughout the journey in the Grand Line from the unpredictable weather to the enemies that board the ship.
 
ThatOnePsycho said:
I just want to take this chance to reafirm I'm never, ever wrong.

No, but in all seriousness, it's time for me to eat crow and acknowledge a fuck up on my part. According to chapter 691 (King of the Land of the Dead), Logia can merge with their element and control it and therefore the idea that Ruby could fix Merry's keel is not ridiculous.

That doesn't remove any of the other problems with the concept of saving the Merry (ship og Theseus paradox, the fact that she's isn't big enough for a crew that is growing and that a Caravel just plain isn't suited for Paradise, let alone the New World) but that particular issue would be convincably fixable so long as I don't rule that Ruby's power only works on living plants.
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Look if you want option's? Couple ideas off the top of my head, build the new ship and have Ruby make a connected gangplank or fifty between the new ship and the old so Merry can body jump. I've seen similar ideas a couple times.

Or have Ruby effect repairs but they all know Merry isn't up to the grand line and things are getting tight space wise so instead they permanently ground the ship and Merry get's to retire as a house or bar&grill. Left behind but still very much loved and appreciated by whoever they leave her with.

On another point. If Ruby can make all the adam wood they could ever want and make it in shape in a continuous piece? She could make the strongest keel any wooden sailing ship has ever had, hell give her the blueprints and enough time she could grow the entire ship as a whole continuous piece instead of it being a mass of boards held together.
 
I've pretty firmly established myself as the guy trying to prevent people from just arguing on and on about this specific topic endlessly, so instead I'll simply say that if Ruby can merge with and control other wood, she could just destroy any wooden ship with ease or turn it against its crew. Or spy on people by hiding inside the floor or ceiling or walls.

This has implications for Thriller Bark.

Could Ruby pull a Robin by manifesting eyes throughout a wooden structure she's connected to? Or through connecting to the interconnected roots of the Mangrove trees at Sabaody? What are the limits of a logia's ability to manipulate their body via their element? Food for thought.
 
Garm352 said:
I've pretty firmly established myself as the guy trying to prevent people from just arguing on and on about this specific topic endlessly, so instead I'll simply say that if Ruby can merge with and control other wood, she could just destroy any wooden ship with ease or turn it against its crew. Or spy on people by hiding inside the floor or ceiling or walls.

This has implications for Thriller Bark.

Could Ruby pull a Robin by manifesting eyes throughout a wooden structure she's connected to? Or through connecting to the interconnected roots of the Mangrove trees at Sabaody? What are the limits of a logia's ability to manipulate their body via their element? Food for thought.
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Clown was able to merge with a giant cloud of gas, so presumably so long as the element could be reasonably considered to be "touching each other" they can merge with it. How that translates to a solid state Logia like the Mori Mori no Ki is more in the air. Does it end where one plant ends, or does the gap between them, if it's small enough, mean they can take control of multiple plants in a chain of "this is my body"? It'd really be up to the author (me, it's up to me) and they're saying that it would transfer for something as simple as grass, but would be harder for something as complex as wood.
 
Alright, this is the last thing I'm gonna say on the matter (until it inevitability gets brought up again) of the Merry. Mostly because it's only nebulously attached to her and more me setting a limit on Ruby's power.

As a friend pointed out to me, Ruby is not a wood human, she is a woods human. As such, I'm ruling that once something has left the (and I'm still keeping this rather generous. I could rule that the Sabaody Mangroves didn't count) broad definition of "flora" it is outside of her perview. This means ships, buildings, ect are no longer manipulatable by her. Does that seem bullshit to anyone? Yes? I don't care. I have to put some limits on Ruby's power level and her just being able to manipulate 95% of what the crew is gonna be on is really, really busted.

On the topic of Thriller Bark, since Garm mentioned that, that translates to her being able to manipulate the various flora growing on it, since it's basically an artificial island, but incapable of manipulating the underlying superstructure.
 
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