The Once and Future King - Godzilla: King of the Monsters

Everyone else clearly saw something in her performance that I missed. I found her very forgettable and uninteresting. The most important action she takes plot wise was setting up the Orca to lure Ghidorah to Boston, and in hindsight I'm not sure what that was meant to accomplish.

Also did she really roar back at Ghidorah? I thought she was screaming in pants shitting terror.
 
Everyone else clearly saw something in her performance that I missed. I found her very forgettable and uninteresting. The most important action she takes plot wise was setting up the Orca to lure Ghidorah to Boston, and in hindsight I'm not sure what that was meant to accomplish.

Also did she really roar back at Ghidorah? I thought she was screaming in pants shitting terror.
1) She was drawing Ghidorah away from his perch in DC, where he was causing a Category Fuck Hell-Hurricane and psychically ordering all the kaiju across the planet to wreack havoc. Once he left the other kaiju calmed the fuck down for a second and it bought time to get Godzilla back on his feet.

2) Yeah she definitely roared back at him.
 
Saw it again last night, and goddamn I'm so happy that I did, and that this movie exists.

Godzilla unironically helped save my life, so I'm in the same boat as you here.

I had waited over a literal decade for the 2014 movie, and was incredibly pleased to see live (one of my greatest memories ever is taking my friends to it and hearing their reaction and the audience reaction to Godzilla's reveal, the first use of atomic breath, and the finisher). By the time 2015 rolled around, I had become clinically depressed, and while I'm much better now, I'm still kinda surprised that I actually made it to see King of the Monsters (on my birthday no less).

I was...not kind to myself when I was younger. I used to abuse myself physically and emotionally, and was utterly convinced I deserved it. It's in those moments when I was really deep in the self-abuse that part of me visualized Godzilla as coming to my aid, fighting against my internal demons to protect me. Because no matter how much stronger my demons were than me, no matter how much they could hurt me, they were no match for the King of Monsters. I use(d) Godzilla as a therapeutic tool to fight back against my self-hatred. I know it sounds cheesy, but Godzilla is honestly is a huge part of why I'm still alive.

I actually liked her spunk especially when she roared back at King Ghidorah.

I know that the actual movie context is different, but to me, MBB's scream of anger at Ghidorah and subsequent smile as Godzilla strides into Boston to that awe-inspiring, hair-raising soundtrack is a perfect representation of what it was like in my childhood mindscape to have Godzilla come in and save me from myself. To me, that's always what the scene will be, and I wish I could show my younger self that clip.
 
Honestly I wish they'd gone through with what the trailers suggested and given Madison that psychic link to the Kaiju just so she'd have more to do, as it was she felt fairly superfluous to the movie.
 
Shout out to OMG and the rest of his named G-Team mook squad for surviving every kaiju encounter.
 
Saw the movie last night. Overall, I though it was great. The music especially was top notch (although I'd really have prefered the godzilla theme to be more prominent((hard to hear over background noise). I only had one negative
Though this is common to most holywood movies, the lack of understanding of the concept of long-ranged weapons. Why would you sail your Arleigh Burke destroyers into washinton DC (among the buildings! so severly hampering mobility!) leaving you wide open to get fried by King Gidhorah instead of just sitting at 25+ NM and just launching missiles from there, where you'd be out of immediate retaliation range? Same thing with the jets engaging Rodan, AMRAAMs have ranges up to 160KM.

On a different note, there were some a number of sorta lolsy deaths: those soldiers that stepped out of the V22 and immediately got zapped by Gidorah, That pilot that ejected right into Rodan's mouth,

Vivienne getting eaten by Gidorah caught me by entirely by suprise and I sorta wish the other characters had actually acknowledged it more than they did.

Also RIP the world economy and tens if not hundreds of millions of people.

I don't know how exactly I feel about the whole: "humans coexisted with and worshiped titans in the past to the point of building an entirety city dedicated to one" plot point. Feels kinda off that people just forgot these things existed, dismissing them as tales.
 
Last edited:
Saw the movie last night. Overall, I though it was great. The music especially was top notch (although I'd really have prefered the godzilla theme to be more prominent((hard to hear over background noise). I only had one negative
Though this is common to most holywood movies, the lack of understanding of the concept of long-ranged weapons. Why would you sail your Arleigh Burke destroyers into washinton DC (among the buildings! so severly hampering mobility!) leaving you wide open to get fried by King Gidhorah instead of just sitting at 25+ NM and just launching missiles from there, where you'd be out of immediate retaliation range? Same thing with the jets engaging Rodan, AMRAAMs have ranges up to 160KM.

On a different note, there were some a number of sorta lolsy deaths: those soldiers that stepped out of the V22 and immediately got zapped by Gidorah, That pilot that ejected right into Rodan's mouth,

Vivienne getting eaten by Gidorah caught me by entirely by suprise and I sorta wish the other characters had actually acknowledged it more than they did.

Also RIP the world economy and tens if not hundreds of millions of people.

I don't know how exactly I feel about the whole: "humans coexisted with and worshiped titans in the past to the point of building an entirety city dedicated to one" plot point. Feels kinda off that people just forgot these things existed, dismissing them as tales.


How you gonna lock on to a living thing with seeker heads designed to track radar and Aspect. One thing I learned from Armored Core is that you need a specialized FCS to track organic targets.
 
How you gonna lock on to a living thing with seeker heads designed to track radar and Aspect. One thing I learned from Armored Core is that you need a specialized FCS to track organic targets.
Well first, the gigantic three headed dragon monster is probably going to have a massive radar return. Second, said titan is going to be emitting both alpha, beta and gamma radiation as well as large amounts of EMI (From the lighting it insists on shooting). There is bound to be something you can target.

Additionally, if the missiles can't lock that makes the Burkes being there even more confusing as they can't fucking do anything to the Titan and thus the only thing they can accomplish is being destroyed.

edit: additionally it has been five years since a titan battle leveled San Fransisco. I would hope the us military would've developed a way to bring all weapons they could to bear on them.
 
Last edited:
Also, like, I know I'm stupid for having to say this, but: BVR combat doesn't look good on screen, jesus christ.
 
Also, like, I know I'm stupid for having to say this, but: BVR combat doesn't look good on screen, jesus christ.
Doubly so since this is a monster movie and it would just be them getting hit with missiles and just being totally unaffected by any of them.
 
Doubly so since this is a monster movie and it would just be them getting hit with missiles and just being totally unaffected by any of them.
This is what happens in the actual film? Like Rodan can still fly after jets when it gets hit by the missiles. And we don't even see the naval combat, just a bunch of destroyed ships. The military acting like morons is not something that needs to happen.

Also, like, I know I'm stupid for having to say this, but: BVR combat doesn't look good on screen, jesus christ.
Visual combat also doesn't look good because its just Rodan slaughtering a bunch of jets who are incapable of doing anything to him; such an interesting scene watching a bunch of random mooks in jets get murked without being able to put up any resistance at all.
 
This is what happens in the actual film? Like Rodan can still fly after jets when it gets hit by the missiles. And we don't even see the naval combat, just a bunch of destroyed ships. The military acting like morons is not something that needs to happen.


Visual combat also doesn't look good because its just Rodan slaughtering a bunch of jets who are incapable of doing anything to him; such an interesting scene watching a bunch of random mooks in jets get murked without being able to put up any resistance at all.

The military is literally never useful in Godzilla movies unless it's pulling out a Giant Robot or Super Plane.
 
The military is literally never useful in Godzilla movies unless it's pulling out a Giant Robot or Super Plane.
I'm aware. But they don't have to fight like idiots. Generally in the other eras of Godzilla movies the military is basically made to engage in a specific way and doesn't really have a choice. This is different from the US voluntarily sailing ships into a flooded city to engage a titan with weaponry they know is unlikely to do anything and where they'll be sitting ducks to retaliatory attacks.

edit: I just realized that Serizawa is in fact a callback to the original invetor of the oxygen destroyer in the 1954 movie: daisuke Serizawa.
 
Last edited:
I'm aware. But they don't have to fight like idiots. Generally in the other eras of Godzilla movies the military is basically made to engage in a specific way and doesn't really have a choice. This is different from the US voluntarily sailing ships into a flooded city to engage a titan with weaponry they know is unlikely to do anything and where they'll be sitting ducks to retaliatory attacks.

Also, like, I know I'm stupid for having to say this, but: BVR combat doesn't look good on screen, jesus christ.

This is a great time to ask some relevant questions that I can use for muh fanfic. ANYONE CAN ANSWER.

Let's say the backstory/events of 2014 happen, just a bit differently. Godzilla is awoken in 1954 via nuclear testing. He goes and accidentally gets nuked at Bikini Atoll (emerging next to the nuke) and is potentially seen again at another test, but presumed dead/missing, and he's not really a priority? However, given that this is weird and holy shit giant monster, MONARCH is founded (I'm making it a UN thing though) but it's very discrete and given that there's no evidence of Godzilla after say 1960, and the whole Cold War, very few people care about MONARCH and it gets little attention or funding. 1) Is this even vaguely realistic in terms of a response? If not, how can it be made realistic but also fit a movie setting?

Most of the 2014 happens functionally-the fight in SF, etc. 2) When would the military consider using nuclear weapons against Godzilla and the female MUTO? Assume the male wings it to SF and chills for a few days (marking territory, etc.) while the female makes its way from the Midwest/Vegas (or thereabouts) on land and Godzilla does the ocean trek. 3) What are the other military options that would be tried beforehand (liberal use of bunker busters and the like against the female, chemical weapons, etc.)? If Godzilla is swimming to SF on the surface, but is not actively hostile, would the military's response change to Godzilla in particular? MONARCH would have comparatively little information on their behavior, but would know and inform the military that Godzilla was apparently nuked twice and while he wasn't seen for 60 years, he's fine now. However, there's no such proof for the MUTOs.

Okay so I'm gonna assume until proven otherwise that at some point even in a realistic scenario, the military would try nuking the kaiju after bunker busters and the like fail in doing more than briefly grabbing their attention. I'd guess they try nuking the female when it's in the desert, and ideally my version of the movie would actually have this happen, but assume that they do a near-contact detonation with a 1 megaton nuke and it basically pisses the female off. Minor physical damage in the form of minor burns on the exoskeleton, and the female was hurled back a bit, but that's it.

4) If nukes are demonstrated to be mostly ineffective against the female MUTO, and the male MUTO is in SF (that's still being evacuated), what would the military try to do next? And how can we make it into a decent movie plan?

thank you all <3

(I got some KOTM context military questions too)
 
However, given that this is weird and holy shit giant monster, MONARCH is founded (I'm making it a UN thing though) but it's very discrete and given that there's no evidence of Godzilla after say 1960, and the whole Cold War, very few people care about MONARCH and it gets little attention or funding. 1) Is this even vaguely realistic in terms of a response? If not, how can it be made realistic but also fit a movie setting?
That was the entire rational for the Skull Island mission. MONARCH got founded when Godzilla showed up, but after he vanished, funding started drying up until it was just Goodman and his assistant trying to keep the lights on. Skull Island was them trying to get some legit proof of there being more than one of these monsters.
 
Back
Top