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The Ethics of Seeking Utopia

Dmol8 said:
I'm not accusing you of being a solipsist. I'm saying that your argument about every person needing to roll over every other person one way or another in order to achieve their vision of Utopia means that your idea of what an Utopia is involves solipsism in every Utopia's makeup.
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This is what I mean by you not understanding me, because I haven't mentioned what my idea of utopia is. I was talking about the way that utopia conflicts in fiction are usually constructed, as in how storytelling involving utopia villains is framed.
 
Night said:
Assumes facts not in evidence.

Frankly this objection says more about your beliefs regarding people than it does about people actually.
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No? It's a very obvious aspect of human nature that we are constantly in conflict with ourselves and each other. And the only remotely plausible way of ending that conflict would be to use mass mind control to drastically alter people's minds. For example, the only ways to eliminate all romantic/sexual conflicts would be to either eliminate sexuality, make everyone utterly indiscriminately pansexual & promiscuous, or organize every last person's relationships in every detail.

The mistake here is people talking about "eliminating conflict" without thinking about just how extreme and pervasive a change like that would be. It would at the very least require changes on the order of integrating everyone into a unified group mind (a mere hive mind wouldn't be extreme enough). It's the sort of thing that sounds nice and not really that extreme until you try to work out the implications.
 
Ford Prefect said:
This is what I mean by you not understanding me, because I haven't mentioned what my idea of utopia is. I was talking about the way that utopia conflicts in fiction are usually constructed, as in how storytelling involving utopia villains is framed.
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*Stares* That was my reply to @Grimnir not my reply to anything you said. Um where did I make the mistake of implying that that part of my reply was addressed to you?
 
Aqua817 said:
I mostly am on AH.com and everything I write on this site is basically a glorified shitpost I mean, ultimately, it depends on whether you define Utopia as a "good" society or a "perfect" society. You could have a good life in someone's perfect society, but it depends on who that is. And i mean, there's also the question on whether anyone is qualified to saw what the perfect world is. I mean, we all know what White Nationalist Walter wants, and that it's pretty shit, but what about someone more normal who just doesn't know what they're doing?
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Pls PM me what AH.com is? I guess I am switching my views of utopia to just, "a good" society. About someone normal? No one is normal like in books and movies unless they're gonna get paid. They're more camera than you and me.
 
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