The Enemy Within (WHF Witch Hunter Quest)
- Thread starter Maugan Ra
- Start date
- Fantasy
- Location
- London, England
Sneaking is generally an opposed test, so there's no "dc" as such. Markus would have gone into the back garden, climbed over the wall and then run away.
Success or failure wouldn't have made a huge difference there, outside of getting a head start, since the daemon still fed your name and description to the watch as the one who killed Magirius, so you would have been wanted for questioning at the very least regardless of whether anyone else happened to see you in the area.
somewhatLazy
Serial Procrastinator
- Location
- lurking
Alas, the Dice Gods were not with us... at least we made a pretty good distraction for Spatin to get clear. We'd be totally screwed if it weren't for Elvyra, who's been with the party for all of like half a day and is already the MVP.
Sneaking in (I think it's doable even if Markus and co aren't great at it because it's a foggy night) and then just shooting whoever's leading the rital is the most likely to succeed at disupting the ritual, but also the most likely to leave us dead as we get pinned in between the guards and the casters. But, well, we're a Templar. Our life is the currency with which we protect the Empire's citizens. We'll just have to hope that Father Sigiwalt can finish the job in the time we buy him.
[X] Sneak in
[X] In Dire Necessity
Sneaking in (I think it's doable even if Markus and co aren't great at it because it's a foggy night) and then just shooting whoever's leading the rital is the most likely to succeed at disupting the ritual, but also the most likely to leave us dead as we get pinned in between the guards and the casters. But, well, we're a Templar. Our life is the currency with which we protect the Empire's citizens. We'll just have to hope that Father Sigiwalt can finish the job in the time we buy him.
[X] Sneak in
[X] In Dire Necessity
- Location
- Earth
So sneakin away was the better decision damm i was so sure our character know the law or as noble or rally the people with our evidence we have or the priest came and we can present our evidence to him and he help us get a strike force from the watch to stop the rituals but just one roll wasn't what i expected
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
It doesn't seem like so much a roll as "corruption is that bad."
Why play the game fair and square when the other guy's going to win by cheating no matter what you do?
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Sneak in
[X] Die Pure
Because standards? I'm not here to dictate where people draw the line, but I personally dislike that kind of dice manipulation, especially when it relates to Chaos. Only fools think they can outplay the Chaos Gods using their own gifts.
[X] Die Pure
Because standards? I'm not here to dictate where people draw the line, but I personally dislike that kind of dice manipulation, especially when it relates to Chaos. Only fools think they can outplay the Chaos Gods using their own gifts.
- Location
- London, England
Markus absolutely has enough legal authority to reasonably expect the watch captain to hear him out, review the evidence and agree to send a force of soldiers to Warehouse Thirteen under Markus' command that very night.
The problem is that the law only works if people with power care about it. Captain von Goetrin had the power there, with the only higher authority being eighty miles away, and he did not care. The charm test was made to see if Markus could convince his soldiers to care enough to defy their commanding officer and social superior, and as it turns out he could not.
While I do understand that Templar Witch Hunters don't have the same authority as a 40k inquisitor, don't they have the backing of the Church of Sigmar? That got to count for something. At the least I imagine that the Markus are least have the power to arrest the captain. And make a damming report that can't be swept under the rug. Or shot the worst offenders.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Look at it this way: Right now, the cult is safe in the knowledge that that pesky templar that has been hounding them is out of commission for the duration of the ritual.
We can use that to our advantage.
- Location
- Earth
Our character was so sure i trusted it know some ways to get them to check the warehouse 13 if they suspect we was it and our sneakin was so bad that it was not worth the trouble of being framed and solved the problem fast but that sneakin was irrelevant i thought we need to fight watch if fail
That we didn't get the chance get reinforcement in anyway was brutal
I thought at least the higher priest would come and we can give him the opportunity raise the watch to help
That we didn't get the chance get reinforcement in anyway was brutal
I thought at least the higher priest would come and we can give him the opportunity raise the watch to help
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
You mean the High Priest who got hit position by connections with the cult we're hunting? The high priest we backed over the older, more traditional Sigmarites because that's what the law said had authority? The high priest who ratted us out to the corrupt captain and said we were full of shit?
We've made more than a few mistakes to get to this point.
We do have a few reinforcements. And as far as trusting the character?
Unreliable Narrators Are A Thing. They're great fun for examining deeper personal themes, but it's a genre shift from fun action-adventure romps.
- Location
- London, England
Markus does have the backing of the Cult at large, yes, but the High Priest of Sigmar in Bogenhafen has been assuring people that this is all a politically motivated farce but don't worry he'll handle it, he's pretty sure he's gotten the Templar convinced that there's nothing sinister about the Ordo and this will all blow over soon.
If Markus makes it out of this alive he has a reasonable shot at going to the wider cult and getting Edel removed from his post or severely chastised or something, but that's a question of cult politics more than anything else.
Likewise he'll have a shot at filing charges against Goetrin... but Goetrin is a well connected local noble and also in command of the local army so that's actually a pretty dangerous thing to do.
- Location
- Canada
The "backing of the Church of Sigmar" in Bogenhafen is primarily High Priest Edel, who's going to be primarily concerned with covering his own ass presuming everyone lives after tonight, not airing out dirty laundry that will get himself caught in the collateral
Furthermore, Markus has no legal authority to reassign the Watch Captain to Antarctica
The guard is guilty of only mundane corruption in a city run by Merchant Guilds
He has committed no capital crimes, only minor ones that the ruling powers are content to let slide
He is outside of Markus's jurisdiction
Markus has influence, as a Witch Hunter and a Noble
But that influence is not infinite
He can make a damning report with as many strong words as he likes
But his superior in the Templars isn't in charge of the Watch Captain either and probably thinks that spending his own time and effort speaking to others about this this random guard captain is wasteful when there are Cults to be rooting out
He'd probably think Markus was being extremely petty, coming to him and asking him to devote resources to something like that, and he'd be right
Markus can try going to the Graf von Saponatheim and complaining about this one Watch Captain 80 miles away who really pissed him off and who he wants sacked for incompetence
But I want you to try to imagine a response to that that isn't patting Markus on the back, giving him a few conciliatory words and a firm shove out the door, before rolling his eyes at this random stranger shaking him out of bed only to complain to him about a personal vendetta he has with another random stranger
Edel is actually a lot easier to smear the reputation of by contrast, since people might actually care about him
Hence why he's probably going to be very busy covering his own ass assuming everyone lives tonight
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- Location
- Earth
So no opportunity to prepare after got the evidence to do anything with it that goons attack us i find was a good idea after the warning but to get no opportunity to get help for the raid after it
And no priest to present our evidence after we get imprison or some watch who knows they captain is corrupt to get on our side for the raid maybe they fear the dark gods and helps us because of that but nothing
Edit not even get our Equipment back
And no priest to present our evidence after we get imprison or some watch who knows they captain is corrupt to get on our side for the raid maybe they fear the dark gods and helps us because of that but nothing
Edit not even get our Equipment back
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
If you want Markus to have more assistance in taking down this ritual, all you have to do is vote for him to ask for it.
- Location
- London, England
It occurs to me that a lot of what I'm saying here probably comes across as really negative and paints the impression that Markus is powerless, and I want to take a moment to highlight the ways in which Markus' authority and influence are still tools he can use.
The biggest of these is that his local enemies are actually a lot more restricted in what actions they can take against him than it might otherwise appear. The Ordo and the powers that be can send thugs to try and make him have a lethal accident on the waterfront, but they can't refuse to see him or stonewall his investigations or have him arrested with any expectation that it will stick. If Markus had just flatly refused to go with the watch patrol back to their headquarters in this update, they'd have had basically no ability to force him, since even naked violence fails when people see you assailing a Blessed Templar in the street - they would have had to go away and get Captain von Goetrin to come up personally and bring his legal status as another noble to bear.
Similarly, if Markus can pull off the current raid, he's actually going to be pretty much golden. If a lowborn adventurer busts in and kills the prominent members of a cult, that can be covered up and bounty hunters sent after them or something. If a Noble-born Templar does it, and lives long enough to mail a report back to Altdorf, then the smart thing for someone like Goetrin to do is go "oh I was fooled by their perfidious wiles thank you master templar for taking such decisive action all hail Sigmar" while burning all documents of his connection to the merchants.
(It's one thing to make life difficult for a Templar investigating your allies, it's very much another to seek revenge on him after those allies are dead or caught in the middle of a chaos ritual)
The biggest of these is that his local enemies are actually a lot more restricted in what actions they can take against him than it might otherwise appear. The Ordo and the powers that be can send thugs to try and make him have a lethal accident on the waterfront, but they can't refuse to see him or stonewall his investigations or have him arrested with any expectation that it will stick. If Markus had just flatly refused to go with the watch patrol back to their headquarters in this update, they'd have had basically no ability to force him, since even naked violence fails when people see you assailing a Blessed Templar in the street - they would have had to go away and get Captain von Goetrin to come up personally and bring his legal status as another noble to bear.
Similarly, if Markus can pull off the current raid, he's actually going to be pretty much golden. If a lowborn adventurer busts in and kills the prominent members of a cult, that can be covered up and bounty hunters sent after them or something. If a Noble-born Templar does it, and lives long enough to mail a report back to Altdorf, then the smart thing for someone like Goetrin to do is go "oh I was fooled by their perfidious wiles thank you master templar for taking such decisive action all hail Sigmar" while burning all documents of his connection to the merchants.
(It's one thing to make life difficult for a Templar investigating your allies, it's very much another to seek revenge on him after those allies are dead or caught in the middle of a chaos ritual)
- Location
- Earth
When there was no opportunity to do it not possible sorry
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Oh, there are still parties involved that can and will assist Markus if he needs it.
Not all Deities are as willing as Sigmar to let an earnest prayer go unanswered.
- Location
- Earth
The problem i have a is that we didn't get a opportunity to get ally for this raid even when we know their going to be a ritual and had time
There was an opportunity to get backup keep our gear, but Markus failed the Charm check
- Location
- Canada
Yes there was, we even voted for one of them
There was a chance to either try to talk some sympathetic Watchmen into listening to us
Or to sneak out the back and run to Father Sigiwalt and his contacts
Either of these, if successful, would have gotten help
It just failed because the dice roll failed
And that's a thing that happens because that's how dice work, sometimes things don't work out
Look, I know things can be disappointing when they don't go according to plan and you suffer a setback, but you're in a bit of a doom posting spiral right now and you should really take a breather
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- Location
- Earth
And before that?
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Oh, we did get a vote for getting allies. That was the end of Unlikely Allies:
We had the choice of either going to the authorities and at least disrupting the ritual, or trying to flip a weak link and grabbing the lot.
- Location
- Earth
with no evidence you want to get allies from people that don't want to help and don't believe us we needed to get the evidence before you can get allys simple