The Enemy Within (WHF Witch Hunter Quest)
- Thread starter Maugan Ra
- Start date
- Fantasy
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Something to note is that these watchmen might be on the cult's payroll, so it's still a gamble, even if we didn't have to roll a die. Still think it's the better option however.
[X] Confront the Watch
[X] Confront the Watch
bookwyrm
Doom of Public Libraries
- Location
- Wichita, Kansas
it is so fucking funny that like 3/4ths of the glue holding the Ordo together and most of what it practices is just get-rich-quick self-help book shit manifesting success. It's just their (willfully ignorant) misfortune to get the actual daemonic influence instead of merely an unlicensed Magicker and Colleges dropout or a Ranaldian grift-cult or even just a good old fashioned snake oil alchemist as the purported rainmaker.
[X] Confront the Watch
- Location
- USA
[x] Flee the Scene
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Staff Notice - Rule 4 - Don't be disruptive
Aaaand the big man gets name-dropped.
I can certainly think of a few other things a being like Gideon could slip in, but I need to know more before narrowing it down.
If Maugan's take on Gideon is even a quarter of the menace he was in the original adventure, then this whole get rich scheme really is just a parlor trick.
I can certainly think of a few other things a being like Gideon could slip in, but I need to know more before narrowing it down.
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LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
Can you spoiler that please? While Maugan is changing things for what he needs in the story, I really would rather not be spoiled by information like this since it influences how we'll see Gideon before we even meet him.
Somic
It's meow or never
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Yeah, same. I'm not familiar with the adventure and I like it this way. I don't want my eyes opened to the meta.
[X] Confront the Watch
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
1. It's a 38 year old adventure module. Bit out of the range of most spoiler rules.
2. Maugan isn't just translating the module verbatim, he's doing his own spin on it. Like I already said, I don't know what is going on. How can I spoil people of details if I have no idea what the details are to begin with?
Besides, it's not like I'm some "Influencer" or lore guru that people wait on to see what plans are made. Who cares what the paranoid nobody in the corner is rambling about? They're probably wrong anyway.
shepsquared
Erratic Aussie
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
[X] Flee the Scene
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
A obscure 38 year old adventure module isn't Star Wars, not everyone is going to know about its contents. Evident by how majority of us here don't actually know anything about it.
Maugan is keeping some details and changing others as he needs. We only have the barest idea of what such a plot important character's deal actually was, until you decided to spill the beans.
Also, see how stuff like this was treated before. The bit about Karl Franz is a well-known twist because of how important he is to the franchise, so no spoilers were needed, but barely anyone here even knew who Gideon was before today. See how Dutch spoilered his questions regarding Elvyra as an example for the latter.
The quest text implies he's a legit chaos worshipper, and we would have approached him under the assumption once he appears in the story, but it's entirely possible the twist was that he wasn't if we uncover the right information. Having that spoiled out of the blue ruins it since we got a peek under the hood and now know with metaknowledge to keep that possibility in mind when before, all IC indications point to only one possibility.
I'm not sure what the attempt at self-deprecation is supposed to achieve, but you're part of this quest as much as anyone else as shown by how our votes have equal weight. Please, show courtesy to your fellow voters and edit the spoiler in since some of us would like our choices to be based purely on what we know from the quest and it's rather hard to not be influenced by metaknowledge regarding the adventure module once exposed to it.
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Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
Not a big fan of the fake bandwagons you keep bringing up here. Can you give me something more concrete?
Like, I get what you're going for. But you, and the one other person, haven't been consistent on it.
Problem 1: No comment made about the guy I quoted. He talks about Gideon being a Daemonic influence among rich idiots, I continued the topic.
Problem 2: Similarly no objections when Dutch and I were discussing the Daemon in the circle being a Herald based our prior knowledge of the setting… which turned out to be wrong.
Problem 3: What exactly have I done, absent your signal-boosting, that cannot be resolved by just… putting me on ignore?
I'm not diminishing your concerns, spoilers are spoilers, but… The line on what does and doesn't mean anything is not exactly as clear cut as you're trying to make it out to be. Whether from you or higher up, there's a lack of framework to support what you're asking for. So I'm just gonna to throw out a proposal to make this all go away: Just slap the button that's under my profile picture. Problem solved. I'm out of your hair.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
Gideon has not been mentioned even once before this update for example. Not even the people who knew about the adventure book bothered mentioning him at all even if it was potentially relevant. Similarly, it's a obscure 38 year old adventure module, it seems pretty obvious to me that not a lot of people would actually know about it, especially since no one even used metaknowledge from the book to point us in a direction for our investigation.
What else would you like me to do? Run a poll in a thread I don't own?
We've been perfectly consistent in wanting it spoilered to avoid metaknowledge. What do you mean?
i'm not sure what you're trying to point out with your problems, but to explain further, the person you quoted didn't exactly talk about spoilers or say this was how it was in the original book. It's all stuff that could be inferred from the quest itself.
Similarly, when you were talking about the daemon, what type of daemon it is wasn't exactly too plot relevant since we'll have to kill it either way, and all the relevant information being used was available in the quest itself. The daemon was an encounter, but not a major character with a massive plot twist.
Can I just put you on ignore? Sure, but I dislike doing so in principle. Half the fun of a quest is reading the discussion based on the updates itself and I'd be losing out on that if I just kept on ignoring people. Even one is too much, really. Additionally, it might spare me, but it wouldn't others who would rather avoid metaknowledge.
The lines are clear cut here. A major plot point for a major character in a story should be kept in spoilers. Just edit a spoiler in, and I'll be out of your hair. Shouldn't take more than a few seconds compared to the time spent making a series of replies.
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[X] Confront the Watch
Vengeance for Magirius.
Vengeance for Magirius.
- Location
- Australia
@Always Late stop doing bad things. Instead, apply empathy.
EDIT: To be clearer, here's how it ought to have gone down: after you gave a spoiler and someone asked you not to spoil, you should've simply said sorry for the slip and then made sure not to give spoilers. Defending yourself by saying you're allowed to give spoilers and also it was their fault for not ignoring you was an atrocious move.
EDIT: To be clearer, here's how it ought to have gone down: after you gave a spoiler and someone asked you not to spoil, you should've simply said sorry for the slip and then made sure not to give spoilers. Defending yourself by saying you're allowed to give spoilers and also it was their fault for not ignoring you was an atrocious move.
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Sertorius
Rebellious Legate
- Location
- Roma Invicta
Reject empathy, embrace Sigmar!
- Location
- Australia
I care about Max and I don't like that he took this injury. I hope things go well for him.
Stealth doesn't matter so much here. We'd be going out the back and running away, not really sneaking out, so we'd be entering a chase scene and using Athletics. Which is also at 26...
God damn, I just looked it up and Witch Hunters don't get Athletics at any level in their career. Watchmen, meanwhile, get it at level 1.
His Intimidate is indeed very strong*, but I don't think he'll be using it here. He'll be leaning on authority and evidence to turn the watch to his side, so Leadership is what I think he'll use. He's decent at it with Leadership 51, though noble status won't apply since Inquisitors and Watchmen are both Silver tier Careers. We'll need to rely on the evidence to boost our odds, and of course we'll need some luck.
*On top of Intimidate 61, he gets +1 to +2 SL from Menacing, +10 and a possible +1 SL from Noble Blood, and +10 from Spatin assisting.
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
Huh, wonder if we should invest into Athletics if we get the opportunity. It would pretty useful for cases where we want to run away.
Though, since we move with someone else at all times, we'd want them to have Athletics to keep up with Markus during the escape and since we don't handle how our party members develop their skills, it doesn't seem worth it. Even when we can use it to chase someone down, using our gun and upgrading the skill associated with it is probably a better investment.
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- He/They
Are you seriously going to start an argument about this, instead of just spoilering your post when asked?
- Location
- Australia
I'd agree that gunmanship's the better investment (as well as fighting and socialling our way out of problems). Being good at agility-based stuff just isn't in the cards for poor Markus. Better leave the job of chasing after perps to other party members. Max is actually well suited for it - Protagonists get Agility and Athletics at level 1.
Discretion is out the window time to come out in force, time to...
[X] Confront the Watch
[X] Confront the Watch