Super Robot Wars SV: An End to Eternity

Alright given all of the bad things that could happen, I feel like once we choose a route we should start the betting pool for How Are We Going To Die First.

Take your pick folks: will we get rekt by Hell or a berserking Mazinger Zero? Maybe blindsided by a Festum attack? Master Therion out of fucking nowhere? Getting crushed by Axis? Or will SEELE suddenly initiate Instrumentality? The possibilities for our agonizing demise are truly endless.

Well one of the settings is Muv Luv SOOOOOOOO.....

CHOMP
 
Hey @GilliamYaeger

Is Armstrong aware of the Pantheon, or is it just some bizarrely cosmic coincidence that we wound up with a Deus Machina that appears custom built to have him as a pilot, given the D-Soil making up the Machina portion happens to function as an inferior large scale knockoff to his nanomachines equipped to an artificial Grimoire with a hilariously synergistic skillset to complement his own?

Because those tails absolutely scream "this guy can't call up circles instantly, but this system lets him get around it"

Not to mention it's potential usage and synergy with the fucking Evas of all things

Like. Combine that with How disposable and easy to empower the UGs are as well?

I'd be surprised if the Pantheon wasn't originally planned to have a red white and blue color scheme.
 
Hmm... We seem to specialize in electricity... See's Shogoki's battery run down to zero.

Here you go, Shinji! *Zap!*

...I'm honestly somewhat concerned about introducing eldritch energies from beyond our mortal ken to the Evas. I get the vibe that it might end poorly.
 
Hey @GilliamYaeger

Is Armstrong aware of the Pantheon, or is it just some bizarrely cosmic coincidence that we wound up with a Deus Machina that appears custom built to have him as a pilot, given the D-Soil making up the Machina portion happens to function as an inferior large scale knockoff to his nanomachines equipped to an artificial Grimoire with a hilariously synergistic skillset to complement his own?

Because those tails absolutely scream "this guy can't call up circles instantly, but this system lets him get around it"

Not to mention it's potential usage and synergy with the fucking Evas of all things

Like. Combine that with How disposable and easy to empower the UGs are as well?

I'd be surprised if the Pantheon wasn't originally planned to have a red white and blue color scheme.
...Let me put it this way.

Most Machina are at least 800 years old, having survived the extinction of humanity and eventually recreating the species and civilization itself from the ground up over the course of centuries before retreating to their secret moon base.

Armstrong is, what, 50-60 years old at most?

Most mass-production Machina have relatively inefficient D-Soil regen systems - Linebarrel, the Machina Killer, regenerates injuries nigh-instantly.
 
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...Let me put it this way.

Most Machina are at least 800 years old, having survived the extinction of humanity and eventually recreating the species and civilization itself from the ground up over the course of centuries before retreating to their secret moon base.

Armstrong is, what, 50-60 years old at most?

Most mass-production Machina have relatively inefficient D-Soil regen systems - Linebarrel, the Machina Killer, regenerates injuries nigh-instantly.
Hmmm...

So it's just some handwaved OG style stuff, then?

Aw well. I guess I read too much into it.
 
Okay, some thoughts.

JAPAN

We should leave Japan to itself because of the series taking place there. Between Kabuto, Minerva X, and Shirogane, they already have enough people semi-aware of the loopy shenanigans to be able to save anyone they could. A single machine won't be enough to turn the tide from within the barrier, and if we start inside it we're stuck until Hayase finishes his shortcut and can ferry people through with Linebarrel. They're honestly the best-suited to take care of themselves.

ASIA

It's the route with Fafner, which means it's almost definitely the route with the most Festum. For the uninitiated-
They are a race of aliens with Hive Mind, able to read your mind and movements, can assimilate you on contact and can create black holes as their primary form of attack. At the beginning of the series, anything that wasn't a Fafner was screwed trying to fight one of them (and even Fafners weren't invulnerable, as the Festum could read the pilots' minds if they answered the "Are you there?" question. To make things worse, the Festum learn from every person assimilated and from every one of them that dies, adapting to weapons and strategies with ease, evolving to make themselves invulnerable to the most effective weapons and turn the tides against the humans.
Despite that, I'm leaning towards leaving them to their own devices too, if only because of the ridiculously bullshit reinforcements they're going to get from Tatsumiyajima. Leaving us to-

AMERICA

On the political end, we need to get Armstrong out of power quick. America is the last real power left in the world; it has abundant personnel, resources, potential funding, and is probably our best starting point to build an effective fighting force. Aside from that, it's the route with the plots for 2 of the big 3 threats our QM has confirmed.

My head says our best call is to start in America and rendezvous with Asia as soon as possible, while my inner Fafner fan says to do it the other way around. My gut says to link up with Japan last either way, take the Sadogashima Hive out with our combined forces, and then move on Hell.
 
So we have:
-Powerful regeneration for non-critical damage. Pretty standard for regenerating mechs in SRW.
-Barrier
-Plasma Caster is an EN based finisher melee weapon
-Plasma Leader for ANOTHER melee finisher that's ammo based rather than EN based
-Ranged EN based sorcerous lightning finisher.
-Moonlight Sword is a melee basic weapon and a medium ranged melee attack, for low EN costs.
-Fluffy Tail x9 is fluffy.
-Medium-long range beam carbines.


[X] In the lifeless, half-flooded ruins of a city. (Japan Route)
 
Question: Is Armstrong actually confirmed for an enemy? He's got a fairly crazy ideology, but it's more compatible with civilization than basically every single enemy faction.
 
Ah right, forgot this was post Photonic Barrier... Welp. I got nothing then. Dealing with everything sure is going to be very troublesome.
 
Question: Is Armstrong actually confirmed for an enemy? He's got a fairly crazy ideology, but it's more compatible with civilization than basically every single enemy faction.
I'unno, given the state of the world Char's 'Throw space rocks at the Earth until nothing can live on it and send all humanity to live in space' idea doesn't seem half as stupid as it was in canon. :V
 

Fair points all, though don't forget that we have the ability to permanently save people's lives by the quest's system and we can always loop again. Going down one route over the others would hardly kill us.

Er.

In a manner of speaking of course, the deaths would sadly be quite literal :V

But at any rate those descriptions make me stand by my choice of Japan more because once we're satisfied with our results there we can leave them behind and nothing there will interfere elsewhere nor will our other alterations mess with Japan until the barrier falls. Simple!
 
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A single machine won't be enough to turn the tide from within the barrier, and if we start inside it we're stuck until Hayase finishes his shortcut and can ferry people through with Linebarrel. They're honestly the best-suited to take care of themselves.
I'd like to point out that, whichever route you pick, you're almost certainly going to end up stuck with them until all three routes end up merging. I'd be surprised if you managed to convince the America or Asia teams to diverge from their courses. If you go Japan route first, you'll be able to find a way in through the Photon Barrier, guaranteed. It won't be safe by any definition, but it'll let you in.

And secondly, your presence can always make a difference.

also as Dr Snark says you can go back to the start whenever you want, and you're good enough that you can reliably pick up where you left off if you're so inclined. Its sort of like Virtue's Last Reward, thinking about it.
 
I'unno, given the state of the world Char's 'Throw space rocks at the Earth until nothing can live on it and send all humanity to live in space' idea doesn't seem half as stupid as it was in canon. :V
There's already an incoming giant comet of doom in Altair from Fafnir. I'm thinking that will send CCA off the rails.

And of course I'm hoping the BETA are dumb enough to engage Altair.
 
[x] Inside some kind of underground warehouse. (America Route)

Eva and Demonbane seals it for me. Though I could be convinced for the Asia route.
 
also as Dr Snark says you can go back to the start whenever you want, and you're good enough that you can reliably pick up where you left off if you're so inclined. Its sort of like Virtue's Last Reward, thinking about it.

Actually while my brain's on it I know that our actions will carry across timelines to an extent but will any upgrades to the Pantheon carry over as well? Like if we trigger its mid-game upgrade during one loop and then bite it, will we still be able to access those abilities in the next loop?

Yes! I caught up and I have to say...

This even more of a clusterfuck than that one quest with Godzilla in the holy grail war.

A clusterfuck where we're actively being encouraged to fuck with the timeline as much as possible.

This is going to be so much fun, in both the literal and DF senses of the word.
 
So... Anyone want to transcend humanity? Seems like the best way to go about things.

Edit: With the Impacts and all the other stuff.
 
Let me try:

JAPAN

I disagree that we should leave events alone there. There's two things worth considering here, the existence of Dr. Hell and the Yokohama Hive, at least on the Macro-scale. Now it is patently obvious that the Yokohama Hive and Dr. Hell, in a vacuum, can be considered to be less critical than the other two locations given the forces at work here. But we're forgetting something of very very critical worth.

And that is the inevitable coup de tat in the works to re-instate the Shogunate, which has very unfortunate implications for the Nagoshima base, and with it the Hive. Considering the advancement level of said Hive. Considering the fact that chances are the Nagoshima Base is the closest thing to an organized resistance to the BETA and Dr. Hell's army, and considering the Super Robot countermeasure BETA strains that means that Japan has a very delicate balance at this time for it's defenders.

One which the Coup will disrupt and cause to come tumbling down like a house of cards, leading to the limited defenders of Japan to be overwhelmed, giving Dr. Hell a certain ability to obtain a foothold in the area, and with it, his own win condition. We already know that the coup attempt is underway, and after that the timeline Japan has until Dr. Hell ends the world can be measured in weeks at best. It's simply a matter of him coordinating his weekly strike teams entry through the Photonic Barrier with attacks from the other forces striking deep into Japan's safe zone.

Japan is the quickest time bomb and conversely the "easiest" the contain, all we need to do is avert or contain the coup.

We fuck over Sagiri, we save Walken, we can contain the Yokohama Hive and get the Susanoo up quicker with the Pantheon as an additional power source which means we can even potentially avert it's fate to be a one-use pony. This has significant consequences since without the BETA's adaptability and ability to quickly adapt to new areas, this means that we've eliminated one of the long-term threats to humanity on a purely attrition-based scale. This also gives us the ability to freely access and distribute G-Elements to all theaters.

This is a huge advantage in terms of firepower for the generics against the other threats.

Also we get to save this man:

Who will doubtless be a valuable ally in future loops in terms of winning MURICA back from the forces of Stephen Armstrong.

Basically Im saying we should enact Operation WEABOO (We Endeavor to Ally with Badass Orientally-deployed Officers) with all due haste

ASIA

It's the route with Fafner, which means it's almost definitely the route with the most Festum. For the uninitiated-
Despite that, I'm leaning towards leaving them to their own devices too, if only because of the ridiculously bullshit reinforcements they're going to get from Tatsumiyajima. Leaving us to-
Well, they're also getting fucking Londo Bell. And while the law of escalation will undoubtedly apply (and when the Festum eventually troll Amuro by convincing him that they're Lalah Sune) the Festum will undoubtedly turn things around. But I'd be legitimately shocked if the Ra Cailum went down quickly when backed up by the Fafnirs.

They can undoubtedly hold out the longest, and if we free up Nagoshima quickly enough and take down Dr. Hell while we're at it, we can free up a metric shit ton of resources and tech to fight back the Festum through sheer firepower alone. At least long enough to get a good picture of what happened for when we eventually get a chance to loop the next time around, enabling us more surgical precision in how we move in relation to them.

Finally:

MURICA

Honestly...Armstrong is a hindrance. Normally I'd advocate siding with him (completely unironically, the man is a badass and we're custom-built to form an invincible tag team to wreck shit all over), but we need to remove him to free up the industrial capacity to fight back all the threats in force in enough numbers to force them back to the Moon (upon which there is nothing at all :V)

That's not even getting into the fucking mess that Master Therion represents, which as a Deus Machina wielding individual we are aptly equipped to help handle. Also the benefit of teaming up with Raiden, getting access to sweet sweet REVENGEANCE with Van and Raiden, and generally just seeing shit get sliced up in slow motion from the outside.

Also if we're going to be getting additional Grimoires to power up Pantheon's mystical side of things, we're gonna need to go to Arkham. No ifs ands or buts about it, unfortunately. America is pretty much where we can find the source and expertise for a lot of the technology that makes up the Pantheon, so securing that place will upgrade our mech once everything is said and done. Also we can avert Instrumentality through the simple action of keeping Eva Unit 02 powered long enough for Asuka to go Cougar-mode all over poor innocent Shinji.

Thankfully, Master Therion excluded, all of these threats can be addressed through liberal application of G-elements and Kung-Fu Real Robots shoved down throats en masse.

So, once again, if we can solve Japan's problems quickly enough we can legitimately pivot over to one of these problems and solve them in a single loop with unrestricted usage of WMD's in a Mini-Babylon of sorts.

tl;dr

GO TO JAPAN WE FINISH IT UP QUICKLY AND GET TO USE MOAR DAKKA TO SOLVE ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS MORE EASILY
 
Let me try:

JAPAN

I disagree that we should leave events alone there. There's two things worth considering here, the existence of Dr. Hell and the Yokohama Hive, at least on the Macro-scale. Now it is patently obvious that the Yokohama Hive and Dr. Hell, in a vacuum, can be considered to be less critical than the other two locations given the forces at work here. But we're forgetting something of very very critical worth.

And that is the inevitable coup de tat in the works to re-instate the Shogunate, which has very unfortunate implications for the Nagoshima base, and with it the Hive. Considering the advancement level of said Hive. Considering the fact that chances are the Nagoshima Base is the closest thing to an organized resistance to the BETA and Dr. Hell's army, and considering the Super Robot countermeasure BETA strains that means that Japan has a very delicate balance at this time for it's defenders.

One which the Coup will disrupt and cause to come tumbling down like a house of cards, leading to the limited defenders of Japan to be overwhelmed, giving Dr. Hell a certain ability to obtain a foothold in the area, and with it, his own win condition. We already know that the coup attempt is underway, and after that the timeline Japan has until Dr. Hell ends the world can be measured in weeks at best. It's simply a matter of him coordinating his weekly strike teams entry through the Photonic Barrier with attacks from the other forces striking deep into Japan's safe zone.

Japan is the quickest time bomb and conversely the "easiest" the contain, all we need to do is avert or contain the coup.

We fuck over Sagiri, we save Walken, we can contain the Yokohama Hive and get the Susanoo up quicker with the Pantheon as an additional power source which means we can even potentially avert it's fate to be a one-use pony. This has significant consequences since without the BETA's adaptability and ability to quickly adapt to new areas, this means that we've eliminated one of the long-term threats to humanity on a purely attrition-based scale. This also gives us the ability to freely access and distribute G-Elements to all theaters.

This is a huge advantage in terms of firepower for the generics against the other threats.

Also we get to save this man:

Who will doubtless be a valuable ally in future loops in terms of winning MURICA back from the forces of Stephen Armstrong.

Basically Im saying we should enact Operation WEABOO (We Endeavor to Ally with Badass Orientally-deployed Officers) with all due haste


Well, they're also getting fucking Londo Bell. And while the law of escalation will undoubtedly apply (and when the Festum eventually troll Amuro by convincing him that they're Lalah Sune) the Festum will undoubtedly turn things around. But I'd be legitimately shocked if the Ra Cailum went down quickly when backed up by the Fafnirs.

They can undoubtedly hold out the longest, and if we free up Nagoshima quickly enough and take down Dr. Hell while we're at it, we can free up a metric shit ton of resources and tech to fight back the Festum through sheer firepower alone. At least long enough to get a good picture of what happened for when we eventually get a chance to loop the next time around, enabling us more surgical precision in how we move in relation to them.

Finally:

MURICA

Honestly...Armstrong is a hindrance. Normally I'd advocate siding with him (completely unironically, the man is a badass and we're custom-built to form an invincible tag team to wreck shit all over), but we need to remove him to free up the industrial capacity to fight back all the threats in force in enough numbers to force them back to the Moon (upon which there is nothing at all :V)

That's not even getting into the fucking mess that Master Therion represents, which as a Deus Machina wielding individual we are aptly equipped to help handle. Also the benefit of teaming up with Raiden, getting access to sweet sweet REVENGEANCE with Van and Raiden, and generally just seeing shit get sliced up in slow motion from the outside.

Also if we're going to be getting additional Grimoires to power up Pantheon's mystical side of things, we're gonna need to go to Arkham. No ifs ands or buts about it, unfortunately. America is pretty much where we can find the source and expertise for a lot of the technology that makes up the Pantheon, so securing that place will upgrade our mech once everything is said and done. Also we can avert Instrumentality through the simple action of keeping Eva Unit 02 powered long enough for Asuka to go Cougar-mode all over poor innocent Shinji.

Thankfully, Master Therion excluded, all of these threats can be addressed through liberal application of G-elements and Kung-Fu Real Robots shoved down throats en masse.

So, once again, if we can solve Japan's problems quickly enough we can legitimately pivot over to one of these problems and solve them in a single loop with unrestricted usage of WMD's in a Mini-Babylon of sorts.

tl;dr

GO TO JAPAN WE FINISH IT UP QUICKLY AND GET TO USE MOAR DAKKA TO SOLVE ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS MORE EASILY
Good plan.
 
Actually while my brain's on it I know that our actions will carry across timelines to an extent but will any upgrades to the Pantheon carry over as well? Like if we trigger its mid-game upgrade during one loop and then bite it, will we still be able to access those abilities in the next loop?
Generally, the Pantheon isn't going to change significantly. You can trigger its super mode at any time, but you have to effectively kill Tamamo to do it. Any upgrade designs that are ever developed for Pantheon can be memorized then built asap in new timelines. But, most of the improvement will come from the PC developing their skills.

Also we can avert Instrumentality through the simple action of keeping Eva Unit 02 powered long enough for Asuka to go Cougar-mode all over poor innocent Shinji.
l-lewd
 
Eva and Demonbane seals it for me. Though I could be convinced for the Asia route.
Asia has Fafner.
Let me try:

JAPAN

I disagree that we should leave events alone there. There's two things worth considering here, the existence of Dr. Hell and the Yokohama Hive, at least on the Macro-scale. Now it is patently obvious that the Yokohama Hive and Dr. Hell, in a vacuum, can be considered to be less critical than the other two locations given the forces at work here. But we're forgetting something of very very critical worth.

And that is the inevitable coup de tat in the works to re-instate the Shogunate, which has very unfortunate implications for the Nagoshima base, and with it the Hive. Considering the advancement level of said Hive. Considering the fact that chances are the Nagoshima Base is the closest thing to an organized resistance to the BETA and Dr. Hell's army, and considering the Super Robot countermeasure BETA strains that means that Japan has a very delicate balance at this time for it's defenders.

One which the Coup will disrupt and cause to come tumbling down like a house of cards, leading to the limited defenders of Japan to be overwhelmed, giving Dr. Hell a certain ability to obtain a foothold in the area, and with it, his own win condition. We already know that the coup attempt is underway, and after that the timeline Japan has until Dr. Hell ends the world can be measured in weeks at best. It's simply a matter of him coordinating his weekly strike teams entry through the Photonic Barrier with attacks from the other forces striking deep into Japan's safe zone.

Japan is the quickest time bomb and conversely the "easiest" the contain, all we need to do is avert or contain the coup.

We fuck over Sagiri, we save Walken, we can contain the Yokohama Hive and get the Susanoo up quicker with the Pantheon as an additional power source which means we can even potentially avert it's fate to be a one-use pony. This has significant consequences since without the BETA's adaptability and ability to quickly adapt to new areas, this means that we've eliminated one of the long-term threats to humanity on a purely attrition-based scale. This also gives us the ability to freely access and distribute G-Elements to all theaters.

This is a huge advantage in terms of firepower for the generics against the other threats.

Also we get to save this man:

Who will doubtless be a valuable ally in future loops in terms of winning MURICA back from the forces of Stephen Armstrong.

Basically Im saying we should enact Operation WEABOO (We Endeavor to Ally with Badass Orientally-deployed Officers) with all due haste


Well, they're also getting fucking Londo Bell. And while the law of escalation will undoubtedly apply (and when the Festum eventually troll Amuro by convincing him that they're Lalah Sune) the Festum will undoubtedly turn things around. But I'd be legitimately shocked if the Ra Cailum went down quickly when backed up by the Fafnirs.

They can undoubtedly hold out the longest, and if we free up Nagoshima quickly enough and take down Dr. Hell while we're at it, we can free up a metric shit ton of resources and tech to fight back the Festum through sheer firepower alone. At least long enough to get a good picture of what happened for when we eventually get a chance to loop the next time around, enabling us more surgical precision in how we move in relation to them.

Finally:

MURICA

Honestly...Armstrong is a hindrance. Normally I'd advocate siding with him (completely unironically, the man is a badass and we're custom-built to form an invincible tag team to wreck shit all over), but we need to remove him to free up the industrial capacity to fight back all the threats in force in enough numbers to force them back to the Moon (upon which there is nothing at all :V)

That's not even getting into the fucking mess that Master Therion represents, which as a Deus Machina wielding individual we are aptly equipped to help handle. Also the benefit of teaming up with Raiden, getting access to sweet sweet REVENGEANCE with Van and Raiden, and generally just seeing shit get sliced up in slow motion from the outside.

Also if we're going to be getting additional Grimoires to power up Pantheon's mystical side of things, we're gonna need to go to Arkham. No ifs ands or buts about it, unfortunately. America is pretty much where we can find the source and expertise for a lot of the technology that makes up the Pantheon, so securing that place will upgrade our mech once everything is said and done. Also we can avert Instrumentality through the simple action of keeping Eva Unit 02 powered long enough for Asuka to go Cougar-mode all over poor innocent Shinji.

Thankfully, Master Therion excluded, all of these threats can be addressed through liberal application of G-elements and Kung-Fu Real Robots shoved down throats en masse.

So, once again, if we can solve Japan's problems quickly enough we can legitimately pivot over to one of these problems and solve them in a single loop with unrestricted usage of WMD's in a Mini-Babylon of sorts.

tl;dr

GO TO JAPAN WE FINISH IT UP QUICKLY AND GET TO USE MOAR DAKKA TO SOLVE ALL THE OTHER PROBLEMS MORE EASILY
This is a lot of words, but all I see is the reduction of what was a complex issue to weighing the combined greatness of Walken and Linebarrels against Fafner. :V

Convince me to go with Linebarrels over Fafner.
 
There's one other benefit to Japan that only just occurred to me now: we'd be learning about the mechanics behind half of our robot. The Pantheon is half Machina after all and it stands to reason that being in the same area where the Linebarrels plot is happening would let us figure out how to use the Pantheon better to an extent by virtue of being around other Machina pilots.

The same holds true for America with the Deus Machina side as well, but I've already made my other arguments for going on the Japan Route first.
 
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