Successor (BTVS)
- Thread starter DeAnno
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I realize that but these is just a cease fire till one of us breaks the deal. It is not really enforceable that is why they are offering us the money. They are going to rebuild and get more enemies till they strike at Buffy or corrupt her.
Bringing this contract into the spotlight opens the gates for Buffy to explain why she was there wrecking shit, which I don't think WRH wants aired in the open. However, I agree in that I don't like the idea of taking money from WRH at all.
I like this idea, though not the exact wording of the stunt. I'm game for attempting to negotiate a change from cash payment to any information WRH gets on Faith though.
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- Vancouver
Mostly blocked off. We need explicit permission to come, which we might be able to get for threats like Jasmine or other things that Angel & co. might have problems with that aren't on WR&H's side.
I kinda don't want them looking for Faith. I don't know how much they know about her right now, but I think she'd be too tempting an asset for them. They could scoop her up and fake her death and we wouldn't really have any way of knowing the truth. Also, they aren't omnipotent, if she isn't in LA county they'll have more problems finding her, and if she's skulking about Sunnydae we get literally no benefit from them.
We should hesitate in fighting evil in LA because we have other things to do, and I think that will always be our primary concern. If we ever need to really do something there we can just say screw the deal and keep whatever money we've already been given, but the main part is getting them to stay out of Sunnydale, which this deal will have them doing (if the concern is that 'using their evil money is bad' then the same would apply to their intelligence network, at least this way we can ensure the money is put to good ends).
Why? Clause 3 is just a minor nuisance that means we can't show up in LA unscheduled. Holland explicitly states it isn't meant to interfere with our legitimate business:
Clause 5 simply prevents us, our employees, or any proxies we hire from offensively causing trouble in LA county. It isn't a flat no-violence at all rule; it is about not starting any fights.
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- United States
I like the idea of using them to locate Faith. I kinda always figured they were involved with her disappearance in the first place.
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- St. Petersburg
...what is this about spreading plagues? The only plague I recall was the one Hellmouth spreads by itself; WRH had no hand in this.
I am mostly concerned about our LA branch that we just offered to ally with Gunn. I don't think that treating them as unaffiliated is the right thing to do, as that leaves them more vulnerable than I am comfortable with in a hostile territory. On the other hand, WRH probably aren't interested in pushing it and making us come back in person.
I was all for pulling away from LA, so I tend to look favorably at the offer. I'd probably loosen the terms from "permission" to "notification" or some such, making sure that we can always take action while still maintaining the truce. We don't have a lot of reasons to show up in LA, and they probably shouldn't give us any.
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If the rats aren't doing their magic then we run the risk of all sorts of plagues popping up, and Lindsey was actively interfering in that to try to get us to fold.
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- my house
One thing to remember is we don't need to outplay the Wolf, the Ram and the Hart here, we need to outplay Holland. He's in a bad position now, he's failed to grab the hellmouth, lost a ton in blackmail and capital, antagonized a rising power and lost most of his hard forces. The senior partners will not look kindly on him. He needs to salvage this somehow, or he'll be replaced like he was in canon.
[X] Plan Flex a little bit
-[X] Clause 1 is increased to 125k for Buffy and 75k for willow
-[X] Nothing else changes
I sort of just want to bully them a bit and exert dominance. I considered asking for Holland to sacrifice a wild wolf, ram, and hart just to see if he would, but I bet he would ask an arm and a leg for that sort of symbol and possible risk vectors for magic.
-[X] Clause 1 is increased to 125k for Buffy and 75k for willow
-[X] Nothing else changes
I sort of just want to bully them a bit and exert dominance. I considered asking for Holland to sacrifice a wild wolf, ram, and hart just to see if he would, but I bet he would ask an arm and a leg for that sort of symbol and possible risk vectors for magic.
I mainly did the money portion in my vote just to demand something more of them rather than for much actual interest in the money. I would not actually want to use Percy and Gunn in a proxy war against WRH. It seems likely to get a decent chunk of them killed as time goes by. There are a ton of non WRH affiliated problems in the city, and once the two groups get used to eachother and hook up with Angel they can go on a real tear through them, and occasionally murder WRH clients without any real repercussions on us.
I generally expect that the Hellmouth heating up will keep us from having time to go to L.A., so we aren't actually losing much by promising not to go there for a year. If we don't want to continue the war with them then I don't see us losing out on much by not going to L.A. My main concern is if equipping Percy or supplying him with black market gear through Anya would break the contract. @DeAnno would Anya using her contacts to get Percy and Gunn weapons or equipment if they pay for it be a violation of the contract? If it isn't then I don't really see Percy as actually being that cut off.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Holland clarifies that WRH would like to see a receipt for all such transactions and to know what kind of stuff is being shipped into the city. As a general rule they do not object at all to light equipment such as medieval weaponry or handguns. WRH reserves the right to ask that certain more major sales be reversed, but does not anticipate needing to ask for that. If it becomes obvious that heavy munitions shipped in such a way are being used against them or their clients, they reserve the right to declare the cease fire dissolved as a violation of Clause 5. Also, they don't want anything Willow-created to be shipped into the city at all (such as the magic police radios), though they might make specific exceptions to that if it's warranted by the circumstances.
In general this and clause 5 as a whole is an area they are fairly flexible on in a possible negotiations vote.
Ok so here are some ideas
1 we keep the pay
2 we drop the clause Buffy has to tel them were she is going. Buffy has expanded and well why kind of leader would she be if she goes back on her word.
3 we agree not to tell anyone about the break in, because it be a shame if his clients find out.
Any suggestions?
1 we keep the pay
2 we drop the clause Buffy has to tel them were she is going. Buffy has expanded and well why kind of leader would she be if she goes back on her word.
3 we agree not to tell anyone about the break in, because it be a shame if his clients find out.
Any suggestions?
My current big concern with your plan is using WRH to find Faith. I don't want them knowing that she is alive, let alone that we don't know where she is.
I do think that if we are going to entirely drop the clause about telling them where she is going that we might want to soften the blow. Perhaps include that we will not be involved in intentionally targetting WRH clients. Keeping us from killing them and their clients is the entire point of this after all and if Buffy can still pop over to LA and murder their customers I don't think they actually get anything from the bargain.
That is a good point about faith. But the thing is Buffy can take control of sunny dale and has pretty much control over . I see a a expansion happening . And. It just in the murdering demons kind but also in the economic sense. Buffy will be bringing in money and is a 1-2 hour drive away. So I can see a housing boom soon as well as more business brought in.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
Buffy's read off Holland is that he's acting very calm and composed, and it's difficult to get anything else off his behavior directly. You're welcome to comb over the update looking for context clues.
You can ask about finding Faith's location as part of a Negotiate or Dictate vote, but Buffy won't even bring her up without an actual passed vote to do so. This is because her being MIA and her situation in general is information WRH possibly doesn't have, and alerting them to a rogue slayer on the loose seems like a dangerous idea.
That genie is going to come out of the bottle when everyone realizes another slayer hasn't been called.
Are they so sure one hasn't been? Or that Faith isn't alive somewhere under Buffy's control? There are quite a few possibilities that don't invite WRH to try to find the slayer that has shown a willingness to work for evil employees, and I would rather avoid telling them that that option is on the table right now.
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[X] Take the deal on the table. It doesn't actually bind Buffy to anything, and the money could be a huge deal for defending the Hellmouth.
[X] Plan Negotiations in good Faith
[X] Plan Negotiations in good Faith
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- United States
Our people have looked and haven't found anything. WRH can look in areas we can't. Also we are super busy and can't put aside the time to hunt for her.
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- Vancouver
Very much feeling this. We're calling a ceasefire with them, not suddenly becoming best buddies, I'd rather not tempt them by advertising an evil slayer up for grabs.
I get bullying them a bit, and if anyone deserves it, it's them, but I'm not sure we need to do anymore of that. From Holland's words they were already considering a deal like this even before our night on the town. We've proved our strength now, and if we show we can be reasonable here and take the deal I can see them being more flexible in terms of providing armaments and reaching out to Percy & Angel etc. while the ceasefire is still in effect.
Oh, I know we don't know where she is. My point is that WRH don't know we don't know where she is. I would rather keep it that way. Telling the world that we lost her makes her a prize to be found by anyone that thinks they could convince her to work for them, and that list is going to lean very heavily towards evil.
That is a good point, and if taking the deal seems to be losing I will probably switch to that. Flexing a bit on WRH just seems fun though, so long as it isn't so bad that they turn us down.