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[X] Harmony heard a disturbing rumor when she was undercover, and she finally got up the courage to bring it to Buffy. She won't say exactly what it is though, just that it's something Buffy will probably want to see for herself.
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I'm betting it's less disturb and more embarrass. She is a pretty vampire girl that just tried to go undercover, my guess is she found the vampires that Riley was paying to drink his blood. It's an awkward thing to bring back to Buffy.
S3.5E5: This is Sunnydale I
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[X] Harmony heard a disturbing rumor when she was undercover, and she finally got up the courage to bring it to Buffy. She won't say exactly what it is though, just that it's something Buffy will probably want to see for herself.
"I'm telling you, you wouldn't believe me without seeing it," Harmony said. "You'd probably think it was like, some twisted vampire fantasy thing of mine, and no, eww."
Harmony still wouldn't tell Buffy just what was going on, so she'd followed her into the bad part of town. Buffy would've almost suspected it was a trap, except that it was just too weird of a way to do it. Harmony seemed genuinely disturbed, and there didn't seem to be anyone left in Sunnydale willing to go against her after last week anyway.
"If you found this when you were undercover, why didn't you just show it to me right away?" Buffy asked.
"Well, I only heard about it then," Harmony said. "I kind of went to investigate myself later because I didn't believe it could be true, and besides you were all grumpy and sad after we lost the ransom and Rack escaped and your mom told you you were a bad mayor."
Buffy made a face and didn't reply, but she privately agreed that she'd had enough of Hellmouthy troubles for a while after that. She'd taken it easy for the last few days though, and now she was back and ready to slay demons and budgets alike.
Taking in the deteriorating quality of the neighborhood, Buffy came to a sudden realization. "It isn't drugs, or umm … 'vice' is it? I mean, I know the public image thing I have going is little miss crimefighter, but stuff like that could maybe be better left to the cops? Matt seems like he's settling in pretty well."
"Well," Harmony paused. "Kind of. But I don't think Matt should be handling this, at least not, like, at first blush. There are vampires involved, and they're still cross-training with Xander's crew to get better at that side of things."
Despite Harmony's reassurances, Buffy wondered how bad mundane issues like that were in Sunnydale. Even though things didn't look much better than some of the seedier parts of LA, she knew actual human gangs were absent from her city, likely because they were easy prey for supernatural predators. She didn't have any idea what the situation was with drugs though, especially since those could easily be dealt behind the safety of a threshold. None of this had been her responsibility before, but she was already having her doubts about just foisting the problem off on Matt. She wasn't just responsible for supernatural problems anymore, even if that was got her into this in the first place.
Before she could get herself into too much of a funk about new, non-slayable, issues she had to deal with, Harmony spoke up again. "Well, this is it." She pointed to an abandoned-looking tenement in front of them, with a heavy brick staircase leading up to the porch and partially concealing the door.
Buffy was ready to put an end to this mystery. She narrowed her eyes, swung up over the steps, and burst through the door. It hadn't even been locked, but she banged it back against the wall anyway as she strode in.
In her first scan of the room, she thought it was a normal vamp nest. A half dozen or so were just lounging around in game face, and there were even a couple people being eaten right in front of her eyes! Strangely though, they didn't really react to her entrance with much aggression or fear, though one girl vampire recognized her and started backing away. The place was way filthier than it had looked from outside; it was lit by candlelight, the furniture was rotting and bloodstained, and random debris was everywhere.
Buffy was about to just start slaying, and pulled out a stake. She didn't know why Harmony had thought this dive was anything special, but she supposed it was a job that needed doing anyway. Before she could act though, she heard Harmony behind her, "Wait! It's voluntary. I mean, it's gross, but those people aren't going to die."
Looking more closely, Buffy did see that the feedings looked a little different than normal. The victims were older and looked less healthy than usual vampire targets, and were only being bitten on the arm. There was another (probable) human just passed out on one of the couches, not dead as Buffy had originally assumed. And even as she stared in confusion, the feeding vamps all disengaged, eying her stake and seeming surprised.
"Just what exactly is going on here?" Buffy asked angrily, lowering her stake for the time being and looking around the room again.
"That's what I should be asking you!" The biggest vamp got in her face aggressively, and grabbed her by the shoulders. "I don't know what kind of shit you're into, but you're disturbing the other customers, and woodgrain's banned in here. Get the fuck out!" He tried to shove her back towards the door, and was confused when it didn't work.
"Guess I need more publicity," Buffy commented, before launching him across the room with a shove of her own. He crashed against the wall, cracking the fading paint job and landing in a heap on the ground.
Before she could expand on that, the fearful vamp explained for her, "That's the new mayor, you idiot!"
"I don't care who she is!" Another vampire said, this one wearing a tacky fake-leather jacket. "With Teeth gone this is all mine, and I'm not letting her just walk in and take it back!" He charged her clumsily, waving an old lamp like a baseball bat.
KILL
Even though she was starting to suspect this wasn't a very serious situation, this guy was asking for it, and Buffy decided a statement needed to be made. She parried the lamp easily, breaking it in two with her arm, and then jammed her stake home in the vampire's chest. He'd finished turning to dust before the other half of the lamp even landed, bonking the first big vamp on the head off in the corner.
"Now," Buffy said calmly. "It seems clear something weird is going on here, and I'd like to know exactly what it is. Either that, or I can just dust all of you, and chalk it up to another day on the job."
Everyone was quiet at that, afraid to attract her attention next. The vampires were frozen now, and a few were trying to subtly look around for exits, while the humans who had just been fed on just looked confused and a little dazed. The fat guy lying on the couch slept on, undisturbed.
Finally, scared vamp girl broke the silence, talking warily from behind a busted recliner, "It's a suck joint. We don't kill anyone here, they just pay and go."
Even as she said it, a tispy guy in a suit stumbled down from upstairs, needing the banister to make safe progress. Halfway down though, he noticed them all standing there and seemed to sober up a little, picking up speed and fleeing the place as everyone awkwardly watched him go.
"I think my parents know that guy!" Harmony commented. "I'm not sure how I can normalify this gossip though."
Buffy chose to just press forward. She was pretty sure she got it now. "They pay you? Is this like, a bordello or something?" She gestured vaguely at the door the probable John had fled out of.
"Sometimes we do that too," vamp girl said, still hiding. Some roaches were skittering under the chair she was behind, and it was kind of distracting. At least there weren't any mice.
Harmony decided to explain more, "I was obviously kind of skittish about going hunting when I was undercover, so they tried to recruit me for here. I've been staking the place out sometimes since then, and everyone that's gone in has come out again."
"I know this is pretty ick Harm, but why didn't you just tell me?" Buffy said. She wasn't sure how she would've reacted or even if she would've believed it, but the surprise curveball wasn't helping her decision making any.
She frowned, "I mean, I thought they were maybe kind of like me? Most fledges have super impulse control issues instead of being able to do things like plan two days into the future. I kind of wanted to know more about what was going on before I sent a slay-guided missile at the place."
"We get new ones like that a lot, the wild fledges," scared vampire said. "We don't let them use the upstairs so it doesn't get out of hand much, and we always kick them out after."
"Much?" Buffy said, annoyed. "When was the last time someone died here?"
She hesitated, but eventually she must've decided Buffy wouldn't believe a lie. "Five months ago. But-"
Another vampire girl on the couch cut her off, blood still on her face from the guy she'd been snacking on, "Way to get us all staked Gwen."
"BUT," Gwen continued, talking over her coworker, "we really aren't much worse than the crack den my mom used to go to, sometimes people just aren't healthy enough." She still hadn't come out of game-face, and it was a little weird for Buffy to be having a quasi-reasonable discussion with her. Angel and his whole creepy family mostly kept it under control, and Harmony seemed to really push herself to stay out of it when she wasn't fighting.
Buffy recognized the attempt to tug on her heartstrings, and wondered if it was even true, "The crack den where?"
"Blackwood and Cyan," she answered quickly. "Was still going last I knew."
Buffy wasn't sure how much of what she was hearing was lies, and decided to bring out her radio to put Gwen under a little pressure. She quickly dialed Matt. "It's Buffy. This might sound weird, but I just got a tip that there's a crack den at Blackwood and Cyan, it's…" She looked significantly at Gwen.
"The red two-story, garage has busted windows," Gwen added, getting the idea.
Buffy was about to repeat, but Matt said "I heard. Never had these radios work so well in San Fran. I'll check that out for you, was there anything else?"
"That's it for now, just tell me what you find," Buffy said, clicking the radio back into passive mode. Gwen had kept a straight vampy face the whole time. Either she was an excellent liar or she was telling the truth.
That settled, Buffy pursed her face, thinking about what the hell she was supposed to do here. Gwen interrupted again though, still looking to survive somehow, "We've got money too!" This produced some groans from around the room, but no one actively gainsaid her this time. "Teeth was making us pay protection, but we could give it to you instead. We don't use it for much except blood when business gets slow."
"We're not exactly flush with cash these days," Harmony commented, and Buffy knew it was true, whatever her motives in saying it. The ransom costs had made a hole in their carefully planned budget, and Cynthia had been bugging her about finding 'new income sources' lately. Leaving all these vampires in the wild was super-dangerous though, and Buffy thought at least some of them had to be killing people in their off-hours. It was one thing to have Harmony wandering around, but she was under constant supervision, tricked into thinking she was cursed, and also acted like a confused puppy half the time on top of all that.
Buffy wasn't sure what to do. Her mom had wanted her to be a fairer mayor to the demon population, but she was pretty sure that this wasn't what she had in mind.
Plan Vote: What does Buffy do about the Suck House?
[] Example Plan Name
-[] Buffy does this
-[] And decrees such
-[] And tells X to do Y
S3.5E5: This is Sunnydale
"I'm telling you, you wouldn't believe me without seeing it," Harmony said. "You'd probably think it was like, some twisted vampire fantasy thing of mine, and no, eww."
Harmony still wouldn't tell Buffy just what was going on, so she'd followed her into the bad part of town. Buffy would've almost suspected it was a trap, except that it was just too weird of a way to do it. Harmony seemed genuinely disturbed, and there didn't seem to be anyone left in Sunnydale willing to go against her after last week anyway.
"If you found this when you were undercover, why didn't you just show it to me right away?" Buffy asked.
"Well, I only heard about it then," Harmony said. "I kind of went to investigate myself later because I didn't believe it could be true, and besides you were all grumpy and sad after we lost the ransom and Rack escaped and your mom told you you were a bad mayor."
Buffy made a face and didn't reply, but she privately agreed that she'd had enough of Hellmouthy troubles for a while after that. She'd taken it easy for the last few days though, and now she was back and ready to slay demons and budgets alike.
Taking in the deteriorating quality of the neighborhood, Buffy came to a sudden realization. "It isn't drugs, or umm … 'vice' is it? I mean, I know the public image thing I have going is little miss crimefighter, but stuff like that could maybe be better left to the cops? Matt seems like he's settling in pretty well."
"Well," Harmony paused. "Kind of. But I don't think Matt should be handling this, at least not, like, at first blush. There are vampires involved, and they're still cross-training with Xander's crew to get better at that side of things."
Despite Harmony's reassurances, Buffy wondered how bad mundane issues like that were in Sunnydale. Even though things didn't look much better than some of the seedier parts of LA, she knew actual human gangs were absent from her city, likely because they were easy prey for supernatural predators. She didn't have any idea what the situation was with drugs though, especially since those could easily be dealt behind the safety of a threshold. None of this had been her responsibility before, but she was already having her doubts about just foisting the problem off on Matt. She wasn't just responsible for supernatural problems anymore, even if that was got her into this in the first place.
Before she could get herself into too much of a funk about new, non-slayable, issues she had to deal with, Harmony spoke up again. "Well, this is it." She pointed to an abandoned-looking tenement in front of them, with a heavy brick staircase leading up to the porch and partially concealing the door.
Buffy was ready to put an end to this mystery. She narrowed her eyes, swung up over the steps, and burst through the door. It hadn't even been locked, but she banged it back against the wall anyway as she strode in.
In her first scan of the room, she thought it was a normal vamp nest. A half dozen or so were just lounging around in game face, and there were even a couple people being eaten right in front of her eyes! Strangely though, they didn't really react to her entrance with much aggression or fear, though one girl vampire recognized her and started backing away. The place was way filthier than it had looked from outside; it was lit by candlelight, the furniture was rotting and bloodstained, and random debris was everywhere.
Buffy was about to just start slaying, and pulled out a stake. She didn't know why Harmony had thought this dive was anything special, but she supposed it was a job that needed doing anyway. Before she could act though, she heard Harmony behind her, "Wait! It's voluntary. I mean, it's gross, but those people aren't going to die."
Looking more closely, Buffy did see that the feedings looked a little different than normal. The victims were older and looked less healthy than usual vampire targets, and were only being bitten on the arm. There was another (probable) human just passed out on one of the couches, not dead as Buffy had originally assumed. And even as she stared in confusion, the feeding vamps all disengaged, eying her stake and seeming surprised.
"Just what exactly is going on here?" Buffy asked angrily, lowering her stake for the time being and looking around the room again.
"That's what I should be asking you!" The biggest vamp got in her face aggressively, and grabbed her by the shoulders. "I don't know what kind of shit you're into, but you're disturbing the other customers, and woodgrain's banned in here. Get the fuck out!" He tried to shove her back towards the door, and was confused when it didn't work.
"Guess I need more publicity," Buffy commented, before launching him across the room with a shove of her own. He crashed against the wall, cracking the fading paint job and landing in a heap on the ground.
Before she could expand on that, the fearful vamp explained for her, "That's the new mayor, you idiot!"
"I don't care who she is!" Another vampire said, this one wearing a tacky fake-leather jacket. "With Teeth gone this is all mine, and I'm not letting her just walk in and take it back!" He charged her clumsily, waving an old lamp like a baseball bat.
KILL
Even though she was starting to suspect this wasn't a very serious situation, this guy was asking for it, and Buffy decided a statement needed to be made. She parried the lamp easily, breaking it in two with her arm, and then jammed her stake home in the vampire's chest. He'd finished turning to dust before the other half of the lamp even landed, bonking the first big vamp on the head off in the corner.
"Now," Buffy said calmly. "It seems clear something weird is going on here, and I'd like to know exactly what it is. Either that, or I can just dust all of you, and chalk it up to another day on the job."
Everyone was quiet at that, afraid to attract her attention next. The vampires were frozen now, and a few were trying to subtly look around for exits, while the humans who had just been fed on just looked confused and a little dazed. The fat guy lying on the couch slept on, undisturbed.
Finally, scared vamp girl broke the silence, talking warily from behind a busted recliner, "It's a suck joint. We don't kill anyone here, they just pay and go."
Even as she said it, a tispy guy in a suit stumbled down from upstairs, needing the banister to make safe progress. Halfway down though, he noticed them all standing there and seemed to sober up a little, picking up speed and fleeing the place as everyone awkwardly watched him go.
"I think my parents know that guy!" Harmony commented. "I'm not sure how I can normalify this gossip though."
Buffy chose to just press forward. She was pretty sure she got it now. "They pay you? Is this like, a bordello or something?" She gestured vaguely at the door the probable John had fled out of.
"Sometimes we do that too," vamp girl said, still hiding. Some roaches were skittering under the chair she was behind, and it was kind of distracting. At least there weren't any mice.
Harmony decided to explain more, "I was obviously kind of skittish about going hunting when I was undercover, so they tried to recruit me for here. I've been staking the place out sometimes since then, and everyone that's gone in has come out again."
"I know this is pretty ick Harm, but why didn't you just tell me?" Buffy said. She wasn't sure how she would've reacted or even if she would've believed it, but the surprise curveball wasn't helping her decision making any.
She frowned, "I mean, I thought they were maybe kind of like me? Most fledges have super impulse control issues instead of being able to do things like plan two days into the future. I kind of wanted to know more about what was going on before I sent a slay-guided missile at the place."
"We get new ones like that a lot, the wild fledges," scared vampire said. "We don't let them use the upstairs so it doesn't get out of hand much, and we always kick them out after."
"Much?" Buffy said, annoyed. "When was the last time someone died here?"
She hesitated, but eventually she must've decided Buffy wouldn't believe a lie. "Five months ago. But-"
Another vampire girl on the couch cut her off, blood still on her face from the guy she'd been snacking on, "Way to get us all staked Gwen."
"BUT," Gwen continued, talking over her coworker, "we really aren't much worse than the crack den my mom used to go to, sometimes people just aren't healthy enough." She still hadn't come out of game-face, and it was a little weird for Buffy to be having a quasi-reasonable discussion with her. Angel and his whole creepy family mostly kept it under control, and Harmony seemed to really push herself to stay out of it when she wasn't fighting.
Buffy recognized the attempt to tug on her heartstrings, and wondered if it was even true, "The crack den where?"
"Blackwood and Cyan," she answered quickly. "Was still going last I knew."
Buffy wasn't sure how much of what she was hearing was lies, and decided to bring out her radio to put Gwen under a little pressure. She quickly dialed Matt. "It's Buffy. This might sound weird, but I just got a tip that there's a crack den at Blackwood and Cyan, it's…" She looked significantly at Gwen.
"The red two-story, garage has busted windows," Gwen added, getting the idea.
Buffy was about to repeat, but Matt said "I heard. Never had these radios work so well in San Fran. I'll check that out for you, was there anything else?"
"That's it for now, just tell me what you find," Buffy said, clicking the radio back into passive mode. Gwen had kept a straight vampy face the whole time. Either she was an excellent liar or she was telling the truth.
That settled, Buffy pursed her face, thinking about what the hell she was supposed to do here. Gwen interrupted again though, still looking to survive somehow, "We've got money too!" This produced some groans from around the room, but no one actively gainsaid her this time. "Teeth was making us pay protection, but we could give it to you instead. We don't use it for much except blood when business gets slow."
"We're not exactly flush with cash these days," Harmony commented, and Buffy knew it was true, whatever her motives in saying it. The ransom costs had made a hole in their carefully planned budget, and Cynthia had been bugging her about finding 'new income sources' lately. Leaving all these vampires in the wild was super-dangerous though, and Buffy thought at least some of them had to be killing people in their off-hours. It was one thing to have Harmony wandering around, but she was under constant supervision, tricked into thinking she was cursed, and also acted like a confused puppy half the time on top of all that.
Buffy wasn't sure what to do. Her mom had wanted her to be a fairer mayor to the demon population, but she was pretty sure that this wasn't what she had in mind.
Plan Vote: What does Buffy do about the Suck House?
[] Example Plan Name
-[] Buffy does this
-[] And decrees such
-[] And tells X to do Y
I'm not sure at all about protection money as such, however, taxes on the other hand being paid through a front... Also this is probably as close to legitimate work that a vamp is likely to stumble upon.
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-[E] Buffy creates a front company for this type of thing.
-[E] she decrees that it has to be in a different building where they pay the rent to the town and has to be sanitized.
-[E] Harmony is in charge,
—[E] Harmony can also decorate as much as she wants... as long as it is cheap.
-[E] Buffy will put Xander's crew as 'protection', but really it's to keep an eye on these vamps.
—[E] Buffy will pay them a salary if they can follow some rules, and proper procedures,
—-[E] also she will have these vampires spy on their customers for information, in case a new big bad comes to town!
-[E] Buffy and friends will figure out a better name than this plans name.
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[X] Plan Sanitary Sanguine Services
-[X] Tell them to clean up the place. Bloodletting in a dirty place is asking for infections.
-[X] Assign a trusted nurse to supervise
-[X] 99'ers will perform spot "health inspections" at random points of the week.
-[X] Like any bussiness, they have to pay taxes. Also, if we own the building, they have to pay rent.
-[X] Any vampire who "works" there needs to live on the premises and submit to a tracking spell.
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One relatively low effort to keep an eye on this place and keep it legit would be to put a discreet camera outside the building's main entrance. If the same number of people don't come out as go in, well its time for some vampire inside to die. This could be easily checked by a member of the sunnydale watch.
Wouldn't the decision to spare them raise some profound ethical questions for Buffy regarding her constant destruction of Fledgling vampires who have not yet committed any crimes? If all that is needed for a fledgling vampire to transition to a state where it can exist without excessively harming humans is socialization and practice than is it really okay for Buffy to kill them out of hand? Will Buffy continue immediately staking fledgling vampires or will she turn them over to her vampire organization for indoctrination in how to live without killing humans?
I think that there are a lot of fascinating implications for the decision that Buffy makes here. I would hope that there is a lot of discussion both IC and OOC before we go straight to starting up some kind of Vampire prostitution ring.
[X] This is a massive decision and Buffy is not ready to make it immediately.
- [X] Tell them vampires that she will not kill them for now and will return with her plans for them.
- [X] Arrange a group meeting with all her closest allies to get their take on the situation.
- [X] See if Giles has any information on similar examples of Vampires peacefully co-existing with humans.
I think that there are a lot of fascinating implications for the decision that Buffy makes here. I would hope that there is a lot of discussion both IC and OOC before we go straight to starting up some kind of Vampire prostitution ring.
[X] This is a massive decision and Buffy is not ready to make it immediately.
- [X] Tell them vampires that she will not kill them for now and will return with her plans for them.
- [X] Arrange a group meeting with all her closest allies to get their take on the situation.
- [X] See if Giles has any information on similar examples of Vampires peacefully co-existing with humans.
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[X] Plan Sanitary Sanguine Services
-[X] Tell them to clean up the place. Bloodletting in a dirty place is asking for infections.
-[X] Assign a trusted nurse to supervise
-[X] 99'ers will perform spot "health inspections" at random points of the week.
-[X] Like any bussiness, they have to pay taxes. Also, if we own the building, they have to pay rent.
-[X] Any vampire who "works" there needs to live on the premises and submit to a tracking spell.
We allow Willy's. This is not that different.
-[X] Tell them to clean up the place. Bloodletting in a dirty place is asking for infections.
-[X] Assign a trusted nurse to supervise
-[X] 99'ers will perform spot "health inspections" at random points of the week.
-[X] Like any bussiness, they have to pay taxes. Also, if we own the building, they have to pay rent.
-[X] Any vampire who "works" there needs to live on the premises and submit to a tracking spell.
We allow Willy's. This is not that different.
I think the other side of this is that this place has clearly self selected for the least murderous vampires possible. They regularly kick out fledgelings that actually do kill people, and it happens often enough that they have a procedure for what to do with new vampires that aren't up to their non-murderous standards. If all it really took was socialization and practice then they probably wouldn't be so strict with their procedures for dealing with a vampire that kills a client.
Also, I think the part of your plan that is saying they won't be killed.... FOR NOW!!! is going to end with them bailing and the decision being taken out of our hands. Not that we have to work with them or can't leave them in the lurch, but they have every reason to react to a temporary stay of execution by running away.
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You probably have a point but even with that all that changes is that the indoctrination process needs to include a system that disposes of the innately murderous vampires while sparing the ones that can change. This is still vastly more ethical than the status quo in which Buffy and her eventual government defaults to killing all vampires.
The key idea is that accepting that vampires are not an !Always Chaotic Evil! race that cannot be treated as people means that Buffy and her eventual government will have to develop a way of governing vampires that is more sophisticated than "kill them all".
The key idea is that accepting that vampires are not an !Always Chaotic Evil! race that cannot be treated as people means that Buffy and her eventual government will have to develop a way of governing vampires that is more sophisticated than "kill them all".
I'm currently a bit inclined towards letting Gwen keep perhaps half her staff. The half that she thinks is most likely to not kill people or feed outside work. The half that she thinks she can keep under control if they start getting aggressive. Then Buffy kills the half that Gwen trusts the least.
This is a bit brutal and arbitrary I know, but it has a few upsides. For one thing it means that there is much less concern about them having to eat outside the job or buy blood during the downtimes, because there are just fewer mouths to feed. It also leaves Gwen in the position of knowing she can either keep the other vampires under control or she dies. It leaves a very visceral reminder, and demons honestly seem to react well to that sort of thing. If there is a hierarchy in the suck house someone will at least feel responsible for limiting casualties, which is just better than letting them run around and blend in with the general vampire murder rate.
[X] Plan Downsizing
-[X] Tell Gwen she is in charge of the Suck House now, and she can keep the half of the staff she thinks is least likely to kill anyone and that she can most easily control and Buffy kills the rest.
--[X] Make sure Gwen understands that if any of her employees are killing people outside and Buffy finds out from anyone but her that she will die along with the vampire that broke the rules.
-[X] Install discrete cameras watching the entrance to the suck house and have the Watch frequently check on them to make sure the same number of people that go in also come out, and make a list of who is patronizing the place.
-[X] Demand they clean up the building to cut down on disease and buy some first aid kits, then start paying 10% less than they were to Teeth to Harmony, who will be handling collections.
I figure this provides monitoring and blackmail opportunities, and Harmony is able to pick up cash without randomly getting murdered in a bad part of town like some members of the watch or civil servants would be. Harmony also lives where the Watch are doing their work, and they are probably one of the things we would end up illegally funding, so having her handle the cash makes alot of sense as long as we remind her it isn't hers to spend.
This is a bit brutal and arbitrary I know, but it has a few upsides. For one thing it means that there is much less concern about them having to eat outside the job or buy blood during the downtimes, because there are just fewer mouths to feed. It also leaves Gwen in the position of knowing she can either keep the other vampires under control or she dies. It leaves a very visceral reminder, and demons honestly seem to react well to that sort of thing. If there is a hierarchy in the suck house someone will at least feel responsible for limiting casualties, which is just better than letting them run around and blend in with the general vampire murder rate.
[X] Plan Downsizing
-[X] Tell Gwen she is in charge of the Suck House now, and she can keep the half of the staff she thinks is least likely to kill anyone and that she can most easily control and Buffy kills the rest.
--[X] Make sure Gwen understands that if any of her employees are killing people outside and Buffy finds out from anyone but her that she will die along with the vampire that broke the rules.
-[X] Install discrete cameras watching the entrance to the suck house and have the Watch frequently check on them to make sure the same number of people that go in also come out, and make a list of who is patronizing the place.
-[X] Demand they clean up the building to cut down on disease and buy some first aid kits, then start paying 10% less than they were to Teeth to Harmony, who will be handling collections.
I figure this provides monitoring and blackmail opportunities, and Harmony is able to pick up cash without randomly getting murdered in a bad part of town like some members of the watch or civil servants would be. Harmony also lives where the Watch are doing their work, and they are probably one of the things we would end up illegally funding, so having her handle the cash makes alot of sense as long as we remind her it isn't hers to spend.
[X] Plan Takeover
-[X] Inform them that they aren't protected so much as they aren't being smashed. If they clean up the building because really, it's completely disgusting and talk to some of the people who do blood drives to arrange for safe and responsible drainage practices then you'll be less likely to smash them for existing. If they aren't killing people then you can let them live and even take steps to make their life more tolerable but they have to be better then the drug dealers if they want to stay around. This is there only chance if you find out that they are killing people then you'll treat this like any other vampire lair.
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Et Sic Incipit
- Location
- Planet Earth, North America
I like elements from both, so I'm creating a hybrid plan. I will be revising the layout and adding material later, I have to eat breakfast right now.
[X] Plan: Healthy Integration
Short-term:
- Tell them to clean up the place. Bloodletting in a dirty place is asking for infections.
- Feed anything they learn of a potentially useful or juicy nature back to city hall, so we know if a big bad is coming into town, or any other disruptive event occurs.
Long-term:
-- Buffy creates a front company for this type of thing.
Headquarters:
- The official front HQ has to be in a different building than Operations. HQ pay the rent and taxes to the town, as well as employee wages, and has to be up to full building codes and regulations.
Operations (whats happening here):
- Will be temporarily halted as this building is extensively cleaned, renovated, updated, etc. Employees will be provided blood from the blood bank as food until renovations are complete.
- A trusted small team of nurses and former blood drive personnel will be assigned to supervise blood-drawing.
- Pros: Buffy will pay them a salary if they can follow some rules, and proper procedures must be established.
-- 99'ers will perform spot "health inspections" at random points of the week, and perform heightened patrols around the area.
- Cons: Like any business, they have to pay taxes. Also, if we own the building, they have to pay rent.
-- Any vampire who "work" there needs to live on the premises, and submit to a tracking spell.
Renovations:
- 3 story building, with both stair and (1) elevator access.
-- basement: supply storage, vampire sleeping areas/bedrooms
-- ground floor: massage services (legit)
-- 2nd floor: brothel services, "massage" services
-- 3rd floor: bloodletting services, separate sleeping off area (similar to donating blood and resting afterwards)
- Crucial to this will be setting up a layered network of security cameras, some obvious/in plain sight, some hidden, both outdoors and indoors. The security feed will direct to a small group of "bouncers"/security guards who will be set up in the building.
- The building will have security/safety for the customers in mind, considering other non-vampire entities out in Sunnydale. Doors will be reinforced, internal layout slightly leaning towards defense, etc.
- Expanding what the building covers will increase revenue. As well as bloodletting and brothels, massage services can be offered as well, both legit and "massages". Have to have legitimate massage licences to provide proper and safe services. All services covered are to be supplied with up-to-date equipment, sanitary supplies, etc.
- Harmony can assist in the renovation via decorating...as long as its cheap and she runs ideas by city hall beforehand.
***
While a friend of mine (who isn't part of this game) said that he felt Buffy would not condone illegal/illicit activity like brothel work, he didn't know about Buffy's heightened responsibilities for running all of Sunnydale, and the increased grinding away of her own morals in pursuit of being the mayor of the town. I also got the feeling he personally felt prostitution was "illicit" or otherwise unsavory.
Myself, I'm pretty liberally oriented on that. I feel that if properly supervised, regulated, and such, that said services would become merely just another job., Being vampires, what they want is a consistent supply of blood, and safety from persecution/vampire hunters, which being a vampire hunter puts Buffy in a unique place to aid these people. The story of their plight does garner some sympathy from me, especially the coming from low-end areas in human life element. I'm pretty sure we could also begin to provide educational opportunities to employees too via night classes in schools or college, allowing these vamps to develop their way out of this setup.
Also, specifically about the Buffy-verse, taking enhanced care of these vampires will increase loyalty to us, seeing as we're the only game in town providing such services. So, this would increase all the vampires in Sunnydale to listen to us more, and establish more communications between Buffy and vamps than "stake meets your heart, bye". I like the idea of this game exploring the murky gray vagueness between vamp consciousnesses and human "souls", and why one even needs the other.
[X] Plan: Healthy Integration
Short-term:
- Tell them to clean up the place. Bloodletting in a dirty place is asking for infections.
- Feed anything they learn of a potentially useful or juicy nature back to city hall, so we know if a big bad is coming into town, or any other disruptive event occurs.
Long-term:
-- Buffy creates a front company for this type of thing.
Headquarters:
- The official front HQ has to be in a different building than Operations. HQ pay the rent and taxes to the town, as well as employee wages, and has to be up to full building codes and regulations.
Operations (whats happening here):
- Will be temporarily halted as this building is extensively cleaned, renovated, updated, etc. Employees will be provided blood from the blood bank as food until renovations are complete.
- A trusted small team of nurses and former blood drive personnel will be assigned to supervise blood-drawing.
- Pros: Buffy will pay them a salary if they can follow some rules, and proper procedures must be established.
-- 99'ers will perform spot "health inspections" at random points of the week, and perform heightened patrols around the area.
- Cons: Like any business, they have to pay taxes. Also, if we own the building, they have to pay rent.
-- Any vampire who "work" there needs to live on the premises, and submit to a tracking spell.
Renovations:
- 3 story building, with both stair and (1) elevator access.
-- basement: supply storage, vampire sleeping areas/bedrooms
-- ground floor: massage services (legit)
-- 2nd floor: brothel services, "massage" services
-- 3rd floor: bloodletting services, separate sleeping off area (similar to donating blood and resting afterwards)
- Crucial to this will be setting up a layered network of security cameras, some obvious/in plain sight, some hidden, both outdoors and indoors. The security feed will direct to a small group of "bouncers"/security guards who will be set up in the building.
- The building will have security/safety for the customers in mind, considering other non-vampire entities out in Sunnydale. Doors will be reinforced, internal layout slightly leaning towards defense, etc.
- Expanding what the building covers will increase revenue. As well as bloodletting and brothels, massage services can be offered as well, both legit and "massages". Have to have legitimate massage licences to provide proper and safe services. All services covered are to be supplied with up-to-date equipment, sanitary supplies, etc.
- Harmony can assist in the renovation via decorating...as long as its cheap and she runs ideas by city hall beforehand.
***
While a friend of mine (who isn't part of this game) said that he felt Buffy would not condone illegal/illicit activity like brothel work, he didn't know about Buffy's heightened responsibilities for running all of Sunnydale, and the increased grinding away of her own morals in pursuit of being the mayor of the town. I also got the feeling he personally felt prostitution was "illicit" or otherwise unsavory.
Myself, I'm pretty liberally oriented on that. I feel that if properly supervised, regulated, and such, that said services would become merely just another job., Being vampires, what they want is a consistent supply of blood, and safety from persecution/vampire hunters, which being a vampire hunter puts Buffy in a unique place to aid these people. The story of their plight does garner some sympathy from me, especially the coming from low-end areas in human life element. I'm pretty sure we could also begin to provide educational opportunities to employees too via night classes in schools or college, allowing these vamps to develop their way out of this setup.
Also, specifically about the Buffy-verse, taking enhanced care of these vampires will increase loyalty to us, seeing as we're the only game in town providing such services. So, this would increase all the vampires in Sunnydale to listen to us more, and establish more communications between Buffy and vamps than "stake meets your heart, bye". I like the idea of this game exploring the murky gray vagueness between vamp consciousnesses and human "souls", and why one even needs the other.
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DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
I'm a little surprised by the lack of mass dusting in the plans so far. Things have changed since the big Harmony vote I guess.
In canon Buffy ended up killing everyone inside, including the one who tried to run away, and also burned the place down. Girl likes her arson.
In canon Buffy ended up killing everyone inside, including the one who tried to run away, and also burned the place down. Girl likes her arson.
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I think the lack of dust and fire is based on the fact that the towns broke. Also killing the shark dude in front of mom may have caused a swing in the opposite direction. Although somehow I don't think the explanation of "see mom I'm not speciesist I have a brothel" will go very well.
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DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
If your primary concern is making money, the plan requiring tons of investment might not be what you want? A plan like that basically makes no money for a pretty long time, all the profits would go into the immense operation it's trying to construct in the long term.
Just because things sound big and impressive doesn't mean they're profitable. Big impressive things are actually massive money sinks in the short term. Even getting a real nurse willing to work on this operation wouldn't be cheap.
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Well I was more thinking of the damage all these vamps wont be causing as saving us time and equipment long term. I could be completely wrong but if our first response to every problem is burn it to the ground we'll eventually be in a situation where we must fight all things and that I expect will be rather expensive.
DeAnno
Sometimes words have two meanings
There are a vast range of responses one can take between burning things to the ground and investing huge amounts of money, effort, and manpower into them. Remember, you have no idea how much this even makes now, or if it even has the ability to scale in any kind of profitable way; these vampires certainly don't look like they're drowning in wealth, and it's not the least esoteric business model in the world.
I really shouldn't be taking a side here, but seeing these plans progress from 'profitable coexistence' into "Vampire Brothel Quest" territory is making me think that if one of them wins half of the characters are going to think Buffy Summers had a psychotic break over the events of the last episode.
I really shouldn't be taking a side here, but seeing these plans progress from 'profitable coexistence' into "Vampire Brothel Quest" territory is making me think that if one of them wins half of the characters are going to think Buffy Summers had a psychotic break over the events of the last episode.
That is exactly why I voted for Buffy to delay her full descent into being the Chief Vampire Pimp of Sunnydale by actually taking some time to thing thinks over with the help of her trusted allies. Is it really so much to ask for a protagonist to maybe stop and get some advice on whether her massively paradigm changing plan is actually sane let alone practical?
Hmm That is a very valid point regarding advice.
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