Style of the Gods: A Xianxia Style's Celestial Bureaucrat

[X] Plan: Grey Rat Grooms Itself Into A Functioning Member Of Society

Sure, power is all, and we grow fast...
But if we smell too badly, the landlord is going to hire an exterminator to wipe us out.

Or, less metaphorically- disrepute may attract bad attention. The deadly kind of attention.
 
[X] Plan: Grey Rat Grooms Itself Into A Functioning Member Of Society
 
1402 - Year of the Tiger
With your deal with King Death still hanging in your mouth and belly, you decide your next brokerage will be with someone gentler and more peaceful: the ever-changing Moon. Though Lunarians are at times lunatics and often ever-changing, Luna herself is a better spirit to deal with than King Death any day.

So you go down to your corner office, and patiently wait your turn to speak with an aspect of her.

It isn't long before you're admitted to the presence of a tall, smiling woman in an ornate mask. Your reputation must be working for you.

"Little kami," she croons. "What can I do for you?"

You get down on all fours, and beg. "Luna, I am lost. I am tasked with healing a broken style and setting it right, but my own efforts have left it hopelessly imbalanced and death-tainted besides. I beseech you to give me some measure of your gentleness that I may learn from my mistakes and become a better servant of my Style and my master."

Luna considers a few moments, puffing on a long kiseru, then nods. "You may receive from me a greater portion of my spirit, that you may learn better. You are appointed Magister of the Ninth Moon, Junior."

"Thank you, oh Luna."

"That's quite enough. Get out of my sight."

You find it somewhat difficult to crawl away backwards while your body shifts on you, but you do.

Later, you examine your new form in your burnished bronze mirror. You still look emaciated, but even with your pale skin you manage to look classically beautiful and feminine. Your long canines have become more reduced, though still too sharp to be human, and the omnipresent hunger has finally died away. You smell better, too, more of an "incense for the dead" scent than a "rotting body" scent. You got a new set of clothes from the tailor's; a fine black robe that drags and trails behind you, yet flows like water when the time comes to move. It complements your newly-toned muscles well, showing off the surprising power in your wiry flesh.

Overall, you've managed to pull yourself together to a major degree, and all without breaking the term of your deal with King Death. Though it'll take some months for you to fully process these energies, for now you can turn your thoughts to Asuka, and dream.



After a long month spent managing your voracious appetite and still eating twice your share at the Sect hall, you finally come to the conclusion that you have a Yang imbalance. You want to consume everything, like fire. So you go back to your stolen book, and you begin to read the section on Yin techniques.

One of the first techniques mentioned is a means to make war paint from ashes, "traditionally corpse ash." You still have ash saved from when you cremated the criminal, so you try it. The resulting black-and-white war paint frames your cheekbones dramatically and gives you a kind of ethereal beauty.

Since the war paint works well, you continue into the book, and begin practicing more subtle arts of Yin, gathering it in your belly to neutralize your raging Yang. Slowly, your desire to gnaw on things and your ravenous hunger begin to decrease. You take a tincture of corpse-ash, and it cools your belly the rest of the way. After three monthly doses, you're able to replicate its effects with pure Yin alone.

Gradually, you begin to practice more and more in the night-time. Your sense for Yin energy clarifies until you can feel the moonlight on your skin. You train, and you explore.

Gradually, you start innovating new techniques. The style is strong, and its channeling techniques powerful - but you're keenly aware that you might be its only living practitioner. If you should die, the style dies with you. And you are determined not to let that happen.

So you run. You run, and you practice running. You practice movement through every type of terrain you have, running through the woods outside the sect as much as through the courtyard. You learn to evade, and deke, and dance through the underbrush.

Gradually, you become faster. It's not enough to escape a Master out for your blood, not yet. But it's a damn good start on the art of running away.

Technique Learned:
Grey Rat Flees The Hawk

Develop rapid movement skills to increase the ability of practitioners to escape things they can't fight. Build Path: Survivalist

Adare Kaname, Bureaucrat of Grey Rat Style
Fisher King:
You take on the properties of the Style you're responsible for reflexively. Your personality feeds the style, and vice versa.
Legendary 2
Lunar 1
Rich 1
Prepared 2
Alert 1
Disreputable 2
Cowardly 1
Impolite 1
Vicious 1
Ghoulish 1

Style: Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens
Style of Legend 2
Yin Style 1
Varied Techniques 1
Survivalist 2
Rapid 1
Disreputable 2
Evasive 1
Difficult 1
Dangerous 1
Taboo-Breaking 1

Techniques:
Consuming Cultivation Focus
Grey Rat Persists On Corruption
10,000 Grey Rats Gather In Moonlight
Grey Rat Flees The Hawk
Grey Rat Stance
Grey Rat Striking Method
Grey Rat Kicking Method

Hero: Asuka Veran
Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens 3
Good Seed: +20 to Cultivation rolls.
Protagonist: +20 to Cultivation rolls.
Dead Hand: +10 to Atma rolls.

[ ][Asuka] Continue to train in Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens and develop another Core. Cultivation Check against DC 60, Failure = injury or death of Asuka.
[ ][Asuka] Work on developing Grey Rat Style. Cultivation check at DC 60, success gains an additional technique for the Style. Failure = injury.
[ ][Asuka] Challenge another student to a duel and demonstrate your new style before the whole sect. Auto-success at a Combat check against DC30.
[ ][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
[ ][Asuka] Try to overcome your Master's hatred for the style. DC?? Cultivation check. Failure = thrown out of the Sect.

[-][Domain] You have no domain, so there's nothing to do with it.

[ ][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
Develop a strong stance for the rest of the style to build off of. Build Path: Fundamentals
[ ][Style] Corrupt Grey Rat's Plague Fist
Followers of the style learn to hold deadly viruses and toxins inside their body and apply them to their strikes. Scarily effective, but kills practitioners in the training stage. Build Path: Style Of Legends
[ ][Style] Grey Rat Consumes The Sun
Develop the "hard", Yang potential of the style, emphasizing its cultivation. Build Path: Yang Specialist
[ ][Style] Grey Rat Devours The Flesh
Develop the killing intent and raw viciousness of the style, aiming to make it more suited to war. Build Path: Warlord

[ ][Personal] Try to renegotiate your deal with King Death for gentler terms.
[ ][Personal] Train to remove one of your personality faults and thereby improve the style you're responsible for. (Write in a fault.)
[ ][Personal] Use your wealth and fame to acquire a minor Treasure for Asuka to use.
[ ][Personal] Use your influence over Grey Rat style to encourage its discovery by a larger group of practitioners.
[ ][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul
-[X][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
[X] Plan: Grey Rat Hones Its Foundations
-[X][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X] [Personal] Train to remove one of your personality faults and thereby improve the style you're responsible for. (Disreputable)

I think that after we get Disreputable down to 1 or 0 it's probably time to introduce it to more people, but the number who actually use it is going to be limited if it's looked down upon.
 
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[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul
-[X][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
Developing a fine aesthetic, there.

I don't actually want disreputable to fall too low, tbh. Being, well, as another poster put it;
"people cross the street to get away from you when they see the bone charms, but don't flee in a panic; a hush falls over the tea house when you enter, but you don't get chased out" zone.
...does have an appeal.

[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul
-[X][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
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Right so I fell asleep on my keyboard and the conversation has kind of moved on, but may as well post this:
But about your vision, I really suggest just focusing on a single character archetype than to pursue three at once! We just have one Style here, after all. Usually the more coherent and synergistic abilities are often the most powerful, so trying to see only one of this aims bloom into fruition will be much more effective, not only in terms of of power but also dissemination and influence.
I suppose this is a difference of perspective, since ... hmm ...

To me, when I was spitballing ideas it wasn't a matter of "What are characters I would like to create?" but rather of "if we put this hypothetical form of Grey Rat Style into the world, what sort of people will be drawn to it?"

And, I don't know, it seems to me that if this "live as if you'll die tomorrow" + "screw fighting fair" style existed, then there would eventually be people who would take it up for reasons of their own without Adare Kaname's influence; and that, because different people have different reasons for doing stuff, there would be a few different general kinds of Grey Rats.

Of the three, the Death cultist-y types would probably need the most help on the divine end - and also provide the most reciprocal help in the Celestial Bureaucracy, since they're sort of a gigantic bribe to King Death; and thus would be where I would focus attention and synergies.

I figure the other two cases I outlined are incidental bonuses who can mostly take care of themselves - that they seem like ... likely ways in which self-motivated mortals with an interest in Grey Rat Style might take it, without actual direction. So I see no need to aim for them, really - they'll happen, or they won't, or they'll happen in some different form because Evenstar has a different idea of what people might take up Grey Rat than I do or whatever.

Or maybe we end up going in a completely different direction due to unforeseen factors and none of this is relevant at all.

That was not well-conveyed! Hopefully this is clearer.
and that those who deal with death and the dead are usually marginalized by society anyway usually due to cultural aversions.
This is true! But I think you've missed a thing:

Exactly how far can we stretch this as-above-so-below thing?

The Grey Rat Style has a trait which measures its Disreputability. As far as can currently be determined, this trait is not coupled to anything other than Adare Kaname's Disreputable trait - that is, I do not see any particular reason to expect that, say, having ranks of Ghoulish or Ravenous necessitates having ranks of Disreputable.

How far can we push this cultural control? Is it possible to, say, dissolve the Disreputable trait entirely while leaving Ghoulish intact? I wouldn't necessarily want to actually do that - but could we? And what would it mean if we did?

There was an interesting point in the update, here:
You hadn't believed the ancient text when it said bone was a powerful channeling aid, particularly human bone.

In the ancient text.

By making the bargain with King Death, by changing Grey Rat Style such that it feeds on death atma, we retroactively altered the records of the style.

It turns out that Grey Rat Style always had this thing about making charms from human bone to focus atma - and sure, six months ago it had never had this thing about bone charms, but times changed.

So I'll admit to being curious - if we do just go all-in on making Grey Rat super-reputable, does that just sort of restructure the world around that? Does the world just have to deal with the idea that Grey Rat Style is Ghoulish and Ravenous but also, somehow, a perfectly acceptable thing? Does the culture shift - either gradually in response, or retroactively - such that no, people are totally fine with there being this vaguely necromantic cult?

Or is there some sort of sanity check built into this thing, where the world goes "no, wait, Grey Rat Stylists literally make charms out of human bone, there are cultural and societal factors which prevent them from being an upstanding and reputable style which you can't just wave away"?

I don't know!

I'm ... not even like, super-invested in finding out, I'm fine with some DIsreputable; but I think that saying it's unavoidable, that we must have some Disreputable, is a bit premature. We really don't know just how malleable this particular reality is.
Okay, new stuff:

@Evenstar, what are the rolls in this quest? I've been assuming d100 + listed bonuses, is that correct?

Ugh, torn between buying Asuka a Treasure to, like, try and make sure she survives the presumably inevitable discovery that she's been out buying corpses and cremating them and such; or trying to find another group of practitioners as a safety net.
 
[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul
-[X][Asuka] Focus on making more Charms from the dead criminal's bones. Atma check at DC50.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
[X] Plan Grey Rat Actually Promotes His Style, But More Hardcore
 
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Right so I fell asleep on my keyboard and the conversation has kind of moved on, but may as well post this:
I suppose this is a difference of perspective, since ... hmm ...

To me, when I was spitballing ideas it wasn't a matter of "What are characters I would like to create?" but rather of "if we put this hypothetical form of Grey Rat Style into the world, what sort of people will be drawn to it?"

And, I don't know, it seems to me that if this "live as if you'll die tomorrow" + "screw fighting fair" style existed, then there would eventually be people who would take it up for reasons of their own without Adare Kaname's influence; and that, because different people have different reasons for doing stuff, there would be a few different general kinds of Grey Rats.

Of the three, the Death cultist-y types would probably need the most help on the divine end - and also provide the most reciprocal help in the Celestial Bureaucracy, since they're sort of a gigantic bribe to King Death; and thus would be where I would focus attention and synergies.

I figure the other two cases I outlined are incidental bonuses who can mostly take care of themselves - that they seem like ... likely ways in which self-motivated mortals with an interest in Grey Rat Style might take it, without actual direction. So I see no need to aim for them, really - they'll happen, or they won't, or they'll happen in some different form because Evenstar has a different idea of what people might take up Grey Rat than I do or whatever.

Or maybe we end up going in a completely different direction due to unforeseen factors and none of this is relevant at all.

That was not well-conveyed! Hopefully this is clearer.
This is true! But I think you've missed a thing:

Exactly how far can we stretch this as-above-so-below thing?

The Grey Rat Style has a trait which measures its Disreputability. As far as can currently be determined, this trait is not coupled to anything other than Adare Kaname's Disreputable trait - that is, I do not see any particular reason to expect that, say, having ranks of Ghoulish or Ravenous necessitates having ranks of Disreputable.

How far can we push this cultural control? Is it possible to, say, dissolve the Disreputable trait entirely while leaving Ghoulish intact? I wouldn't necessarily want to actually do that - but could we? And what would it mean if we did?

There was an interesting point in the update, here:


In the ancient text.

By making the bargain with King Death, by changing Grey Rat Style such that it feeds on death atma, we retroactively altered the records of the style.

It turns out that Grey Rat Style always had this thing about making charms from human bone to focus atma - and sure, six months ago it had never had this thing about bone charms, but times changed.

So I'll admit to being curious - if we do just go all-in on making Grey Rat super-reputable, does that just sort of restructure the world around that? Does the world just have to deal with the idea that Grey Rat Style is Ghoulish and Ravenous but also, somehow, a perfectly acceptable thing? Does the culture shift - either gradually in response, or retroactively - such that no, people are totally fine with there being this vaguely necromantic cult?

Or is there some sort of sanity check built into this thing, where the world goes "no, wait, Grey Rat Stylists literally make charms out of human bone, there are cultural and societal factors which prevent them from being an upstanding and reputable style which you can't just wave away"?

I don't know!

I'm ... not even like, super-invested in finding out, I'm fine with some DIsreputable; but I think that saying it's unavoidable, that we must have some Disreputable, is a bit premature. We really don't know just how malleable this particular reality is.
Okay, new stuff:

@Evenstar, what are the rolls in this quest? I've been assuming d100 + listed bonuses, is that correct?
That is correct.
 
I do think that after two updates, we can safely say that we should be a bit more careful about "change yourself" votes; all of them consisted of Kaname taking on additional obligations and burdens in exchange for things that are not necessarily straightforwardly good.

There are probably rolls going on in the background, in terms of how much do we get and for what price.

Like, deal with the Moon seems to have worked out more or less perfectly, but it still got us tangled in some sort of Moon-related hierarchy, and deal with Death got us saddled with a bunch of stuff that is less than desirable. It is a big ??? if getting rid of one point of lazy was worth taking a big hit in all those other categories.
 
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[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul

My plan is To Get the Basics down And start working on what we Want the Martial Arts defining Feature To be Like poison or war or death and Etc.
 
Right. In that case ...

The votes to make a new talisman is 1d100+10 vs DC50 ... 60% chance of success

The vote for Asuka to develop Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens further is 1d100+40 vs DC60 ... 80% chance of success, 20% chance of badness - though it's no longer guaranteed to kill Asuka if she fails; presumably, that is the benefit of the yin balancing thing we did last turn.

Asuka presumably has an unlisted +30 to Combat checks if she can auto-pass DC 30 ... I guess that Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens is supplying that?

The vote to try and change the master's mind is 1d100+40 vs who the heck knows, so ...
 
Our style killing our practitioners is probably a big part of why Elder censured it; getting rid of Difficult(Impolite) and/or Dangerous(Vicious) is quite likely to help.

but, you know, that thing I talked just on this page above is a problem, just a little

Still, Asuka is seemingly capable of altering Style's stats on her own, so maybe we can just go slow and have Asuka solve it herself. Or maybe cultivating it ourselves would open up options to tinker with it, give us options that improve it in ways that do not require us to bargain with proverbial devils.

We'll see, I suppose.
 
[X] Plan Grey Rat Actually Promotes His Style
-[X][Asuka] Challenge another student to a duel and demonstrate your new style before the whole sect. Auto-success at a Combat check against DC30.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Endures The Storm
-[X][Personal] Use your influence over Grey Rat style to encourage its discovery by a larger group of practitioners.


Now that we have gotten the low-hanging fruit out of the way, it's finally time to demonstrate it's effectiveness and to try building up renown. While I admire her efforts on the survival front, Asuka is still the only real practitioner of the Style we have; a dangerous position to be in! Hopefully her performance can help convince some people and make things easier for us. Finally demonstrating success with her Style will also encourage our disciple further so we can reach greater heights still. It's a good start.


[X] Plan Grey Rat Actually Promotes His Style, But More Hardcore
-[X][Asuka] Challenge another student to a duel and demonstrate your new style before the whole sect. Auto-success at a Combat check against DC30.
-[X][Style] Corrupt Grey Rat's Plague Fist
-[X][Personal] Use your wealth and fame to acquire a minor Treasure for Asuka to use.

The plan I actually want, because hmm sweet Legendary points. It also tries to mitigate the increased risk by giving Asuka a Treasure, something that might even come in handy in her Duel! If it wasn't a autopass anyway. If we want this Style to truly live up to it's promise, having this sort of Forbidden Technique is key! It's what will let our practitioners truly reach the necessary heights and overcome impossible odds. It's truly a legend building option! This sort of a stuff is a classic for a reason.

By making the bargain with King Death, by changing Grey Rat Style such that it feeds on death atma, we retroactively altered the records of the style.
But that's just how Nobilis works though? This is the second update we've checked on Asuka using Persona, even.

Yes, it's possible to retroactively rewrite history so that death doesn't have the same culture associations in real life, even if just for the Style. But I imagine if we do that we'll be very lucky to just have fellow Bureaucrats accosting us randomly to complain about the mess we made, if the powers that be don't just reflexively defend against this stuff anyway. The moment we'd be powerful enough to actually push such changes through, we'd also be strong enough to not really care. If we can make such sweeping changes to the world using it to make our Style a tad more acceptable is a bit of a waste in my opinion.
 
I do think that after two updates, we can safely say that we should be a bit more careful about "change yourself" votes; all of them consisted of Kaname taking on additional obligations and burdens in exchange for things that are not necessarily straightforwardly good.

There are probably rolls going on in the background, in terms of how much do we get and for what price.

Like, deal with the Moon seems to have worked out more or less perfectly, but it still got us tangled in some sort of Moon-related hierarchy, and deal with Death got us saddled with a bunch of stuff that is less than desirable. It is a big ??? if getting rid of one point of lazy was worth taking a big hit in all those other categories.
Those big changes weren't from removing levels of Lazy or Disreputable, they were from the [Style] choices. We can't dodge those - this is apparently just how kamis roll in this setting. If you don't want to get dodgy drawback traits, don't vote for [Style] options that are described as having such drawbacks.

If we take the Fundamentals option this turn, that's unlikely to give us further negative traits. The gameplay loop appears to be balancing between taking fancy options with drawbacks (all the Legendary options so far, which makes sense because if there weren't drawbacks everyone would take them and they wouldn't be notable) and simpler options that don't involve cultivating diseases inside your blood and whatnot. And, of course, balancing the drawback removals with our need to actual get things done in the mortal realm so our Style doesn't get lost altogether.
 
[X] Plan Balancing Act
-[X][Asuka] Challenge another student to a duel and demonstrate your new style before the whole sect.
-[X][Style] Grey Rat Consumes The Sun
-[X][Personal] Use your connection to Grey Rat style to begin practicing cultivation yourself.
 
[X] Plan Preparing For the Long Haul

Or "Grey Rat Prepares For the Long Haul".
It'll be nice to have some simple strength, not tainted by drawbacks.

Edit: A detail I noticed-
[ ][Asuka] Continue to train in Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens and develop another Core. Cultivation Check against DC 60, Failure = death of Asuka.
[ ][Asuka] Continue to train in Grey Rat Cheats The Heavens and develop another Core. Cultivation Check against DC 60, Failure = injury or death of Asuka.
Chances are getting better. Wonder if DC will decrease too, eventually.
 
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