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Spider-Liv (Olivia Octavius AU Quest)

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10ebbor10 said:
I don't think he actually knows about her?
I mean, he was frozen while the fighting and all that happened.
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It's not like Steve to never ask about who saved his bacon. He's a very 'always repay help, and then some more because generosity" kind of guy. Whether its Clint and Natasha or the other two agents, Oliva's name should come up at some point. Only reason it wouldn't would be Athena preemptively erasing any tracks someone could use to find Olivia out of massive paranoia.
 
Always Late said:
It's not like Steve to never ask about who saved his bacon. He's a very 'always repay help, and then some more because generosity" kind of guy. Whether its Clint and Natasha or the other two agents, Oliva's name should come up at some point. Only reason it wouldn't would be Athena preemptively erasing any tracks someone could use to find Olivia out of massive paranoia.
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Liv sabotaged a coup against the United States by the CIA. Some paranoia is justified.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Liv sabotaged a coup against the United States by the CIA. Some paranoia is justified.
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True. This is Hydra. Even if Athena's morals didn't get a massive TFS!Vegeta-scale reality check, you gotta expect the perpetual nazi cult of Marvel to always be looking to hit you somehow after rebuilding.

But Steve is still going to want to find Liv and give her a Cap brand Shoulder Pat And Speech.
 
open_sketch said:
"That's another SSR agent, and that's... that's the Red Skull, apparently." Ross explained.

"Oh. I've heard of him." Witkowska said, then she leveled her pistol and emptied the magazine into his chest and head.

Ross stepped back, a look of shock and horror on his face.

"My family has stories." the junior agent said simply.
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Oh that's just perfect! I love this whole quest and I sincerely hope to see more.
 
Most of my reactions (including "this continues to be a great story, really want more" of course :p) have been covered by others, but this bit:
open_sketch said:
"Excuse... excuse me. Are you a nurse?" you asked.

The woman looked at you, setting her papers aside a second.

"Yes. Um..." she glanced at something above your head. "Olivia?"

"Yeah. That's me. Sorry... can you-"

She moved away swiftly.
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made me sad, in that assuming i'm not just reading too much into it, this sounds like "yepp nurses/doctors are still discriminatory against trans patients even in petty ways in the future" (especially combined with the later issues getting the meds filled :/)
 
open_sketch said:
"Do you remember how you got here?"

The fight. You on the ground. A boot on your chest. So much pain that it just become a hollow, cold feeling, unreal.

"No, sorry." you said.
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Funny thing.

Every ER nurse/doctor I've ever talked to or read posts by has said that they can tell when "I fell down the stairs" is a lie. Car crashes are 10% of all injury-related ER visits. I can't find statistics by intent but non-firearm assault is something like 5% of injury-related ER visits. They do this every day, they've seen everything you can imagine and more, and it is literally their job to figure out what happened. They are very, very good at it.

Car accidents leave distinctive injuries. So do beatings. For example, there's nothing in a car accident that'd leave knuckle-shaped bruises. Nor is there anything that'd pull an arm straight off without massive other crushing, tearing, and piercing damage to the hand and wrist, all of which would be decidedly absent given the way Red Skull pulled Liv's arm off after taking a solid grip on it. A car crash wouldn't leave distinctive bruises and split skin on Liv's knuckles. Airbags leave other unique injuries that Liv doesn't have. And that's not even getting into how Liv's armor and arm-harness would have changed how she bruised underneath them.

In other words, as far as I know, it should be blatantly obvious that Liv didn't lose her arm in a car crash. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ER professionals can get all the way into the specifics, figure out that she was injured in an implausibly high-intensity fistfight between people with body armor that culminated in Liv's assailant ripping her arm off.

I don't know if that's an intentional OOC complexity to Liv's visit or if it's just not something the author knows about. I'm leaning toward it being unintentional, mostly because it doesn't seem to offer any new explanations when I look at what happened in this update. But it's certainly a way for Cap to track Liv down if he wants to, isn't it?
 
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open_sketch said:
like he'd never seen a trans guy before
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Huh, I don't think I've read a trans guy Cap story before. I've read at least one fic where Cap was a trans woman (In addition to fixing Roger's heart and lungs, the vita-ray chamber also did an instant gender confirmation thing, much to Erskine's surprise).

Fun fact: in this timeline, Steve still isn't the first documented trans man to undergo modern* gender confirmation surgery. I believe that would be the German-born Karl Baer (link) who underwent various surgeries in 1906 and got legal recognition of his gender in 1907. In the US, there's Alan Hall (link) who got a hysterectomy in 1917 (and then went on to do wonders for the treatment of tuberculosis).

*I had to specify "modern" because depending on how you define "surgery" some stuff has been done for thousands of years.

open_sketch said:
God, you'd kill to be as hot a girl as Link.
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I've heard that from trans women, trans guys, and enbies. I think Link may just be goals for everyone.

open_sketch said:
You turned seventeen and your mom brought you a cupcake but then she had to go before her sick days ran out.
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Shit. I forgot how young she was. Uh, maybe we can get her a Steve Roger autograph as a belated present?

open_sketch said:
You'd thought, in the hospital, that maybe you were done with Arachne. That maybe you'd hang up the costume and go back to being a regular girl. But when Captain America puts a call out for people to step up, well, you don't say no to that.
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Okay. Liv isn't wrong, but she's definitely earned herself some R&R. She should take some time off. Maybe make something fun?

Also, I know Live probably shouldn't exploit her superheroics for personal gain, but damn it, Liv saved Steve's life. She should call in that favor to demand Steve pat her on the shoulder and say he's proud of her
 
Vebyast said:
Funny thing.

Every ER nurse/doctor I've ever talked to or read posts by has said that they can tell when "I fell down the stairs" is a lie. Car crashes are 10% of all injury-related ER visits. I can't find statistics by intent but non-firearm assault is something like 5% of injury-related ER visits. They do this every day, they've seen everything you can imagine and more, and it is literally their job to figure out what happened. They are very, very good at it.

Car accidents leave distinctive injuries. So do beatings. For example, there's nothing in a car accident that'd leave knuckle-shaped bruises. Nor is there anything that'd pull an arm straight off without massive other crushing, tearing, and piercing damage to the hand and wrist, all of which would be decidedly absent given the way Red Skull pulled Liv's arm off after taking a solid grip on it. A car crash wouldn't leave distinctive bruises and split skin on Liv's knuckles. Airbags leave other unique injuries that Liv doesn't have. And that's not even getting into how Liv's armor and arm-harness would have changed how she bruised underneath them.

In other words, as far as I know, it should be blatantly obvious that Liv didn't lose her arm in a car crash. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ER professionals can get all the way into the specifics, figure out that she was injured in an implausibly high-intensity fistfight between people with body armor that culminated in Liv's assailant ripping her arm off.

I don't know if that's an intentional OOC complexity to Liv's visit or if it's just not something the author knows about. I'm leaning toward it being unintentional, mostly because it doesn't seem to offer any new explanations when I look at what happened in this update. But it's certainly a way for Cap to track Liv down if he wants to, isn't it?
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It could be a case of "we don't know how this girl somehow got in a fight with someone who's willing to tear her arm off, but it's probably best that we support this cover story so we don't have to deal with whoever did this."
 
Vebyast said:
Funny thing.

Every ER nurse/doctor I've ever talked to or read posts by has said that they can tell when "I fell down the stairs" is a lie. Car crashes are 10% of all injury-related ER visits. I can't find statistics by intent but non-firearm assault is something like 5% of injury-related ER visits. They do this every day, they've seen everything you can imagine and more, and it is literally their job to figure out what happened. They are very, very good at it.

Car accidents leave distinctive injuries. So do beatings. For example, there's nothing in a car accident that'd leave knuckle-shaped bruises. Nor is there anything that'd pull an arm straight off without massive other crushing, tearing, and piercing damage to the hand and wrist, all of which would be decidedly absent given the way Red Skull pulled Liv's arm off after taking a solid grip on it. A car crash wouldn't leave distinctive bruises and split skin on Liv's knuckles. Airbags leave other unique injuries that Liv doesn't have. And that's not even getting into how Liv's armor and arm-harness would have changed how she bruised underneath them.

In other words, as far as I know, it should be blatantly obvious that Liv didn't lose her arm in a car crash. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the ER professionals can get all the way into the specifics, figure out that she was injured in an implausibly high-intensity fistfight between people with body armor that culminated in Liv's assailant ripping her arm off.

I don't know if that's an intentional OOC complexity to Liv's visit or if it's just not something the author knows about. I'm leaning toward it being unintentional, mostly because it doesn't seem to offer any new explanations when I look at what happened in this update. But it's certainly a way for Cap to track Liv down if he wants to, isn't it?
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I'm going to put it down to Liv's superhealing or something similar.
 
TortugaGreen said:
It could be a case of "we don't know how this girl somehow got in a fight with someone who's willing to tear her arm off, but it's probably best that we support this cover story so we don't have to deal with whoever did this."
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Yeah, when a super comes in having lost a battle but won the war - she's alive, after all - you don't ask questions.
open_sketch said:
I'm going to put it down to Liv's superhealing or something similar.
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Heh, fair enough!
 
open_sketch said:
"My family has stories." the junior agent said simply.
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Witkowska wouldn't happen to be a polish name would it?
open_sketch said:
"Okay." you repeated.
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repeated is a strange choice of word here...
open_sketch said:
she had to go before her sick days ran out.
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The most american thing in this thread.
open_sketch said:
God, you'd kill to be as hot a girl as Link.
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Shit. I never played the Legend of Zelda games so I'm not sure if this is a AU change, just a reference to how Link is very pretty or if I've been misgendering them this whole time.
open_sketch said:
The youtube video was really cool.
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"Why had someone even left the moped in the conference centre? Did Cap plan this?"
open_sketch said:
It's been a joy writing for you all.
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Not as much as its been reading.
Torgamous said:
"You're like me!"
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"We match!"
"All the best heroes only have one arm."
 
open_sketch said:
"Who are these people?" she asked, her gun already at her side. You paged memory back to check on the two SSR agents: they were stable.

"That's another SSR agent, and that's... that's the Red Skull, apparently." Ross explained.

"Oh. I've heard of him." Witkowska said, then she leveled her pistol and emptied the magazine into his chest and head.

Ross stepped back, a look of shock and horror on his face.

"My family has stories." the junior agent said simply.
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That was perfect. Thank you.
 
It's a Polish name. I decided a while back that it might not hurt to have a character who might have family history here to express some strong emotion if I needed it. Looks like I was right.

As an aside, most Americanized Polish surnames of this sort will end in '-ski', the masculine suffix, as in Poland '-ska' is used for women, and most immigrants came over with a male head of the household whose name would usually become the legal surname of the family in American records. This not being the case here comes with some potential implications, which is why I went with it.
 
This feels like a good time skip part yeah. could start with a generic prosthetic and being damaged but not still shattered by what happened.
 
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