Spider-Liv (Olivia Octavius AU Quest)
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Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[X] Liv uses the alloys and materials to reinforce her legs and suit. She'll be much tougher and effectively bulletproof.
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[X] Liv carefully studies the Arc Reactor. She might be able to build her own to power her suit and increase her strength.
Ugggg I wants them all!
Think UNLIMITED POWAH is the most versatile and long term though.
Ugggg I wants them all!
Think UNLIMITED POWAH is the most versatile and long term though.
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[X] Liv uses the alloys and materials to reinforce her legs and suit. She'll be much tougher and effectively bulletproof.
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Hmmm, very well, for a green Stark free future.
[X] Liv carefully studies the Arc Reactor. She might be able to build her own to power her suit and increase her strength.
But I have the feeling this may end being one of those rewards that will be incredible useful... but not right now. Like, in the long run it will be something that will help us a lot, but will not add much right this next update.
[X] Liv carefully studies the Arc Reactor. She might be able to build her own to power her suit and increase her strength.
But I have the feeling this may end being one of those rewards that will be incredible useful... but not right now. Like, in the long run it will be something that will help us a lot, but will not add much right this next update.
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I have issues with the idea of open sourcing and democratising a technology that generates huge amounts of power by means of tearing holes in the universe. Remember Clint said they didn't scale well?
[X] Liv starts pulling computer parts to build a new system for Athena that will make her a lot more powerful.
I like this one, it's the most directly thematic.
[ ] That little blue cube thing seems neat, let's pocket it on the way out
[X] Liv starts pulling computer parts to build a new system for Athena that will make her a lot more powerful.
I like this one, it's the most directly thematic.
[ ] That little blue cube thing seems neat, let's pocket it on the way out
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[X] Liv starts pulling computer parts to build a new system for Athena that will make her a lot more powerful.
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Natasha Romanov, I have never loved you more.
[X] Liv carefully studies the Arc Reactor. She might be able to build her own to power her suit and increase her strength.
This is just too rare of an opportunity to pass up. We might get access to better materials, computer parts, and maybe even camo stuff (if we make friends with Nat). But there are just so few chances to be alone with and Arc reactor.
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That's absolutely what the vote is. It's kind of neat actually, how on a meta level it's basically a vote to keep true to Liv's ideals by rejecting a short term boost that will only help us for a long term boost that will help a lot of people but will leave us struggling more right now.
ThatGazzer
Minds Eye Bind
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[ ] Athena tries her hand at VR Tabletop Gaming.
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You know, this vote has me thinking about the long term, and what Officer Night said about not ceding a space.
I wonder if we could work out a deal with the SSR to provide them with gear ("Look at these taser webs! They totally owned your dudes! Wouldn't you like to have some of your own?") and technical consulting services in exchange for in-kind payments (like alien alloys and stealth tech) and cold, hard cash.
That way we can keep an eye on what they're doing, and they get a safer way of dealing with tech they don't understand.
I'm also considering how we're going to deal with open-sourcing arc reactors. A lot depends on whether Stark patented it (seems REALLY unlikely considering Liv was surprised it was eve real) or just called it a trade secret. In the case of the later, there's absolutely zero legal recourse for Stark to use against us if we put the plans up for everyone to see. We could also patent it ourselves - through it's a huge hassle and I'd bet our net worth that Stark would just bribe some officials to get his patent approved before ours.
My preferred way forward would be to open source it, then create a certified B Corporation dedicated to producing them, probably worth approaching someone local with business savy and community connections (I'm looking at you Toombs) so that they can actually start said company so Liv doesn't have to muck around with paperwork, they can rent some space out somewhere in NY and hire locals to do the assembly work with Liv as a 'special consultant' that comes by and troubleshoots issues and shows them better ways of doing things and in exchange she gets paid in cash and arc reactors.
Actually, that could be a pretty dope spin-off quest! Follow Adrian Toombs as he tries to provide well paying jobs to the disenfranchised working class of New York with one hand while fending off the mob and the megacorps with the other. Also, his daughter is trying to teach him the latest teen slang, and he's got a Dream Daddy Dating Simulator type thing going after a late realization that he might not be as straight as he thought.
I wonder if we could work out a deal with the SSR to provide them with gear ("Look at these taser webs! They totally owned your dudes! Wouldn't you like to have some of your own?") and technical consulting services in exchange for in-kind payments (like alien alloys and stealth tech) and cold, hard cash.
That way we can keep an eye on what they're doing, and they get a safer way of dealing with tech they don't understand.
I'm also considering how we're going to deal with open-sourcing arc reactors. A lot depends on whether Stark patented it (seems REALLY unlikely considering Liv was surprised it was eve real) or just called it a trade secret. In the case of the later, there's absolutely zero legal recourse for Stark to use against us if we put the plans up for everyone to see. We could also patent it ourselves - through it's a huge hassle and I'd bet our net worth that Stark would just bribe some officials to get his patent approved before ours.
My preferred way forward would be to open source it, then create a certified B Corporation dedicated to producing them, probably worth approaching someone local with business savy and community connections (I'm looking at you Toombs) so that they can actually start said company so Liv doesn't have to muck around with paperwork, they can rent some space out somewhere in NY and hire locals to do the assembly work with Liv as a 'special consultant' that comes by and troubleshoots issues and shows them better ways of doing things and in exchange she gets paid in cash and arc reactors.
Actually, that could be a pretty dope spin-off quest! Follow Adrian Toombs as he tries to provide well paying jobs to the disenfranchised working class of New York with one hand while fending off the mob and the megacorps with the other. Also, his daughter is trying to teach him the latest teen slang, and he's got a Dream Daddy Dating Simulator type thing going after a late realization that he might not be as straight as he thought.
Raiseth
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Mmm. There's the thing, if anyone can get their hands on a source of UNLIMITED POWAH, there's going to be an uptake in organized super-crime. Like, those crazy wackos bent on world domination who bought the generator required to power their moon-splitting laser on eBay.
Probably not why Stark didn't publicize it, but still bears thinking about?
Probably not why Stark didn't publicize it, but still bears thinking about?
10ebbor10
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Yup, let us consider what this technology can be used for:
1) Large Scale Power generation : Fails due to expense and lack of scalability --> Better of using any conventional/renewable power source
2) Small Scale power distribution : Fails due to expense and finickyness --> Better of using micro-generation or a small fossil fuel generator
3) Moble power production : Very expensive and finicky --> batteries are probably better
Basically, the only place this is good is when money is no object, and you absolutely need a lot of power in a small package. Aka, powering a secret basement laser, spidersuit or other superweapon. Peacefully, I think spaceprobes might use it too, if it weren't for the lack of reliability.
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...It's not the point of studying the Arc to see if Liv can upgrade it? Not only to learn to replicate it but to make it work much better?
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Exactly this. The Arc Reactor we see the SSR using is most likely a Mk. 0 - the kind that Stark put at his factory facility in the MCU to appease the hippies, before he got kidnapped and made the miniaturized one.
edit: With regards to super-crimes, yes... and no. Because there would be a countervailing trend from the fact that we'd want to be gainfully employing the people who would otherwise go on super powered crime sprees. We want to create an environment where those people are incentivised to do legitimate work, and have an opportunity to do so.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Doubt she'll have the time to do so.
Anyway, I believe the problems with the Arc reactor must be real and unsolveable for 1 big reason :
Arc reactors can make massive amounts of money, so there must be a massive catch preventing their development.
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Not at this moment, no.
That's why I mentioned that the Arc is probably a reward for the long term.
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That's been the case with basically everything through? Early versions of a technology are generally super expensive and kind of impractical. If anything, that's why government funded research is so important: capitalism doe not incentivise taking on the financial risk of spending a bunch of money to research and develop something when the result isn't guaranteed (which it will never be in R&D).
Torgamous
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Worker-owned arc reactor co-op.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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Lol. Because no millionaire ever risked anything in their life and earned their money by adhering to the safest and most conservative practices in existence.
Whatever evils of capitalism we may discuss, it does promote risks and innovation. It just punishes them more often than rewards them, but without risking anything, you can never be that kind of successful in the current economy.
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To pull this back to the arc reactor example, what makes you think Arc reactors have been around long enough as an idea to get that kind of treatment?
Stark's the only one who's got them right now, and seems to be playing things close to his chest with them. He's also on top of his industry, can doesn't need to throw money hand over fist at arc reactor research to keep raking in the government contracts.
Factors we know:Doubt she'll have the time to do so.
Anyway, I believe the problems with the Arc reactor must be real and unsolveable for 1 big reason :
Arc reactors can make massive amounts of money, so there must be a massive catch preventing their development.
-Tony Stark could build one in a cave with a box of scraps. Now, these might be some GOOD exotic scrap but that establishes:
--The materials involved exist in modern day industrial products. If there are exotic elements involved its more like alloy components, semiconductor doping agents and the like, rather than say, transuranics, extradimensional matter or stuff like that.
--The machining involved does not involve high degrees of precision. He's building all this without the benefit of ultra-precise tools and measures, whatever he's working with is either rugged common tools or something he could bootstrap to with common tools.
-Tony Stark is a super genius.
--This, while a sweeping statement, suggests that intuitive leaps are common, and explanation is hard. The Genius Problem, in which someone of great natural intellect finds it hard to communicate their discoveries because they tend to bypass conventional terminology or skips steps which seem 'obvious'. Great inventor, shitty documentation.
--Given Comic Book Settings, most supergeniuses also tend to be multidisciplinary polymaths. The invention could have been taking elements of related but separate fields, seamlessly meshing them together to achieve something thats improbably complex within a specific field. This also makes it a son of a bitch to understand, because people of very high education having the right combination of high level degrees are rare and usually have better things to do than tend to a fiddly lightning maker.
-The Arc Reactor produces unlimited power from basically nothing.
--This means a shitload of energy is involved. Which in turn means that failure states tend to be catastrophic in some manner, nevermind the exotic physics involved, if its outputting enough electrical motive force to power multiple city blocks in a unit the size of your head, then there is enough yield if you simply converted the electrical force to thermal to vaporize your building.
So conclusion: The Arc Reactor is a fiddly hangar queen piece of technology that requires regular maintenance from PhD grade technicians, and if improperly maintained or operated can produce catastrophic damage.
Thats why its not seeing more use, anyone who could service it isn't going to do it cheap, and without some kind of cheat like AI, technopathy or superhuman intelligence, it takes many years to train an Arc Reactor technician.
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