Unless I've somehow managed to completely misread things, Hazel thinks what she's doing is completely separate from witch/wizard magic rather than a primal form of it. She's treating it like they're oil and water- both are liquids (magic), but they're not the same thing and they don't mix. And while that would be fine in and of itself, it's that she's stuck on that without even seemingly considering the possibility that she's just using witch/wizard magic via a different medium that bugs me. Yes, I understand why she thinks in that way (I'd even be fine with her being correct in her belief!), but it's still annoying when a character in a story doesn't even seem to notice a pretty obvious answer dangling right in front of them.
I'll chulk it to her considering it, but dismissing it immediately because being the last in line of special druids is cooler and thus a better truth to a little kid's sensibilities.
 
Compared to those options, believing that she is part of some other group, even if she doesn't know what that group actually is, is probably the most healthy of the three.
I think that opinions of accepting the opinion of the majority is something that varies a lot, and can be felt quite emphatically. Hazel has been investigating magic, gathering data, making assumptions, testing those assumptions... she is being more-or-less scientific about things. A career scientist would, I feel, be rather unimpressed with the technical standards of her efforts, but for a child with very limited resources she has performed remarkably well. I sorta vaguely speculate a little that there may be people out there who, more-or-less, regard peer review as the thing that converts science into progress. Hazel, of course, has basically been isolated her entire life, thus never really been part of a society, and thus peer review has never been an option, and attempts at such would have been... bad... . For someone who regards peer review as a fundamental element of human progress, seeing a character research in private, pack up their knowledge, and stride off with a "I'm going to go make my own progress!" could hypothetically be rather confronting.

Many of the more famous legal systems seem to largely derive their authority from the majority(or at least what is presented as such). Laws largely serve as ethics to nations, so there is at least some evidence that "majority rule" is a widely-accepted ethical standard, so I imagine that the topic could become heated in a fashion similar to many ethical debates.

While I personally feel that Hazel's circumstances more than justify her stance on such things, and my own inclinations veer towards rejecting society, if one were to completely ignore her circumstances, then I believe that her views on community-authority would be somewhat extreme, and so I can accept that some people may find her attitude on the history of her magical discipline to be implausible or inappropriate to a very small or great degree, and thus confronting and distracting to similar.
 
Hazel judges things by what she knows, and thus far... What she knows about thing comes almost exclusively from her own biased studies and experience, up to this point every 'adult' has just assumed that she already Knows what for them is 'common, public, and available' knowledge for them, be it the non-human part of it or the Wizard parts of it, and this has been happening for Years.

No a actual Wizard, nor Witch has actually spent time with her talking about the history and Nature of Magic, thus... How the flying heck would people even start to think that she, one day out of the blue 'well, maybe i am using an older form of Wizardry instead of Druidism' when as far as the common wizard is aware, many of the things she can do are 'not possible', that she is a Magical cripple and that there are other ways to perform Magic that she has seen, experienced, learned and done?

Yes Hazel is Biased AF, and her circumstancies have not allowed for anything else to take hold, but for her to challenge her own views and understanding of Magic... She would need someone actually versed in said field to get into a discussion/talk with her, and that would just be the first step.
 
Also keep in mind that Hazel is not impressed with the wizard system, most of the first years can barely do magic at all and she's already developed or learned several magical tools and techniques for a variety of situations. She's got reasons to be a bit less than charitable towards them.
 
Unless I've somehow managed to completely misread things, Hazel thinks what she's doing is completely separate from witch/wizard magic rather than a primal form of it. She's treating it like they're oil and water- both are liquids (magic), but they're not the same thing and they don't mix. And while that would be fine in and of itself, it's that she's stuck on that without even seemingly considering the possibility that she's just using witch/wizard magic via a different medium that bugs me. Yes, I understand why she thinks in that way (I'd even be fine with her being correct in her belief!), but it's still annoying when a character in a story doesn't even seem to notice a pretty obvious answer dangling right in front of them.
Let me paint you a picture. You are in a museum and see a clay tablet with lots of intentional markings on it. Workout looking at the display sign, you can already tell that the markings don't look like Greek, Latin, or Russian letters. The markings aren't even written in rows but instead are in columns. You would undoubtedly assume that the language this tablet is written in must be at most DISTANTLY related to the common European languages spoken today and probably completely unrelated. That is a perfectly reasonable assumption.

As I quoted in my last post, there are fundamental rules that wizards say must be followed for magic to be possible. Rules that Hazel knows from personal experience don't apply to her. It is therefore a perfectly reasonable assumption that what she is doing is unrelated to wizards' wand magic. Especially when she has yet to be presented with any evidence to the contrary.
Maybe I should use fewer words next time I leave a comment because the main point of it boils down to, "I sure hope Hazel is not getting into too much more trouble before at least some of the current issues are resolved." And that's all it was.
My confusion stems from not understanding what you would consider a proper resolution and to which issues. Because there are a LOT of hurdles in her way that simply can't be removed or changed. Her lack of speech can't be "resolved". Her inability to be chosen by a wand (so long as she carries a staff) can't be "resolved". That none of the magical theory books she's found thus far seem to consider magic without a wand possible can't be "resolved". That the core of how she uses magic is by all her research unconnected from how magic is taught to wizards is something that can't be "resolved", or at least not without dropping her back to square one and STILL doesn't make her capable of wand magic.

If there is a specific concern you have, I'd love to hear it because I honestly can't tell what that concern could be. Unless your concern is that Hazel will continue to be the outsider with her own system of magic, because yeah, that's kind of the premise of the story. :)
 
Two small problems with that assumption. First, the wizards themselves don't leave much room for her to draw such a conclusion. The way they paint their history, magic begins and ends with a wand. From chapter 27 and colored for emphasis:

I personally would be hard-pressed in Hazel's shoes to assume that I'm using pre-wand wizard magic when the wizards themselves don't appear to consider that such a thing is a possibility. Now from a logical perspective and reflecting on real-world history we can of course draw the conclusion that European wizards must have had contact with other peoples who used magic differently – Hazel even notes that to herself in the same chapter – so someone has to know that what is written in these books is a lie. Even so, their culture does not appear to place much importance on keeping the historical record accurate. They would, by all evidence she has found, much prefer to believe that theirs is the only way to practice magic.

Second, and I'll admit that this might come across as splitting hairs, I struggle to find a practical difference in assuming that she is doing something completely different versus assuming she is practicing the pre-wand magic that the wizards would prefer to forget. It isn't like making one assumption instead of the other keeps her from having to adapt modern wizard spells to her personal style. It doesn't change the fact that she is bound to a staff instead of a wand and that the idea of breaking her staff so as to get a wand fills her with a deep-rooted sense of revulsion. It doesn't give her back her voice so as to speak the incantations that are by all accounts a necessity for casting magic. It doesn't negate the truth that several of the "fundamental rules" that modern wizards have to follow just don't seem to apply to her.

If the wizards say that they have their wand magic and that is the only magic, then fine. She will practice magic that is completely separate from the magic that wizards use. And by this conclusion, there IS a tangible benefit. She gets to stand up to the hags and werewolves like Fenrir and anyone else who would automatically hate her for being a magical human and confidently say, "I am no wand-waver. You have never met anyone like me before. Instead of making the assumption that I will act like a witch, open your eyes and see me for me".
As I said, I understand there are reasons why Hazel thinks that way, even if I wasn't considering all the points you've laid out here. It's just...

Hazel's magic thus far gets result that are, for the most part, the same as or similar to witch/wizard magic (traveling long distances, writing in the air, etc) even if the exact mechanisms are different. Both are fundamentally physics-defying forces. Both require an inborn and inherent gift. In that situation, to me it looks like the two are either very closely related or actually the same thing, and absent other evidence (i.e. learning of the existence of a magical species that can have two powersets, humans with completely separate gifts to magic, etc) that should be the assumption operated under until proven otherwise. Occam's razor- the simplest explanation is most often correct. And here, the simplest explanation (to me and the way I think, at least) is that she's using a known and existing ability slightly differently rather than having a completely new one.

And yes, I know I'm looking at this from an outside perspective, with a great deal more experience and knowledge than Hazel, and without having grown up abused for being different. It makes perfect sense that Hazel wouldn't think this way- she's a hurt, lost child trying to find her way in the world and with very limited access to information, not someone looking at it from the outside from a clinical perspective. That doesn't change the fact that my gut reaction is something along the lines of 'please, stop for a second and think', plus a wince in sympathy as I imagine how she'll cringe when she looks back on her early assumptions and complete confidence in them when she eventually gets proven wrong. It makes sense for the story, but it still makes the parts where she talks about druid magic as if it's completely separate a touch painful (just replace 'druid magic' with 'chi' or 'psychic powers', and you get basically the same effect).

As for why the difference between the two options (primal magi vs different magic) matters, that ultimately comes down to two things. First, the stuff I've outlined above, about how not considering an obvious possibility makes me wince to read about. Second, a lot of the time, the better and more accurately you understand something? The more you can do with it and the more deeply you can dive into it. It's not always the case, but if it applies here then by assuming she's using something different to witch/wizard magic Hazel is potentially putting artificial limits in place on what she can do, and limiting her ability to apply what she knows from witch/wizard magic to her own. And while that's far from an immediate concern or issue- this clearly isn't a story about Hazel powerleveling and becoming teh gr8est witch EVAH, or diving deep into the fundamental laws of magic- it still places blinkers on her.

TL;DR: I don't think there's any actual problem with what's been written, and it makes sense IC Hazel thinks and assumes the way she does. I still react to it with winces.
Let me paint you a picture. You are in a museum and see a clay tablet with lots of intentional markings on it. Workout looking at the display sign, you can already tell that the markings don't look like Greek, Latin, or Russian letters. The markings aren't even written in rows but instead are in columns. You would undoubtedly assume that the language this tablet is written in must be at most DISTANTLY related to the common European languages spoken today and probably completely unrelated. That is a perfectly reasonable assumption.

As I quoted in my last post, there are fundamental rules that wizards say must be followed for magic to be possible. Rules that Hazel knows from personal experience don't apply to her. It is therefore a perfectly reasonable assumption that what she is doing is unrelated to wizards' wand magic. Especially when she has yet to be presented with any evidence to the contrary.
As you've said, I would assume that they were a form of language. And in this example, for me at least that's what access to magic is- the raw ability to communicate rather than the form it takes (i.e. magic is the ability to write, witch/wizard and druid casting styles are the individual languages, and the fundamental rules of each style are the spelling and grammar).
 
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It just downed on me,
Snape now cannot read anyones mind, near Hazel.
His own Legilemency may be focused on one target, but Hazel's is omnidirectional and allways ON (as I understand it).
Wherever he tries something Hazel will hear him.
So Snape cannot risk lowering his shields in Hazel's presence, or they both suffer consequences.
 
It just downed on me,
Snape now cannot read anyones mind, near Hazel.
His own Legilemency may be focused on one target, but Hazel's is omnidirectional and allways ON (as I understand it).
Wherever he tries something Hazel will hear him.
So Snape cannot risk lowering his shields in Hazel's presence, or they both suffer consequences.
That'd be an interesting outcome, yeah. I wonder if there are actually any rules or laws against using legilimency on people? In a sensible world there would be, but, well... this is the magical world. It generally only does sensible by accident.
 
My confusion stems from not understanding what you would consider a proper resolution and to which issues. Because there are a LOT of hurdles in her way that simply can't be removed or changed. Her lack of speech can't be "resolved". Her inability to be chosen by a wand (so long as she carries a staff) can't be "resolved". That none of the magical theory books she's found thus far seem to consider magic without a wand possible can't be "resolved". That the core of how she uses magic is by all her research unconnected from how magic is taught to wizards is something that can't be "resolved", or at least not without dropping her back to square one and STILL doesn't make her capable of wand magic.

If there is a specific concern you have, I'd love to hear it because I honestly can't tell what that concern could be. Unless your concern is that Hazel will continue to be the outsider with her own system of magic, because yeah, that's kind of the premise of the story. :)

Hazel's unique magic isn't a problem to be solved, neither is the lack of a wand or her being mute. But what could be done is clearing up the misunderstandings, starting with her being a runaway because she had been abused by her relatives. She could explain the magic she has learned already, she could demonstrate the magic tools she crafted, she could tell them about her travels.

In turn she could be told about her vault in Gringotts, about her parents, about her status in the wizarding world and related stuff.

You know, communication and exchange of information. People assume a lot of things about her, she assumes a lot of things about people and neither side is correct. If the school is being informed about her limitations, then they can accomodate her. Although failing to allow mute people to enter the Hufflepuff common room is a mark against them. That's basically the one thing they definitely knew about her from the start.

Right now it looks like Hazel doesn't care to do any of that, she even accepts that the other kids are trashtalking her and assume she's a squib. Something she could clear up quickly if she wanted to.

Yes, I completely understand that she's broken, different and not the typical child. Anyone else would look for help after being locked out, Hazel simply accepts it and is fine with sleeping in a corner somewhere. That doesn't mean she should treat every problem like that... it's not like they stop existing after being ignored.
 
I really enjoyed this chapter.

To address Snape first, I was one of the people hoping for a better-than-canon version, but I'm not at all surprised by how their first meeting went. As soon as it became clear that she would meet him I expected his extreme occlumency to be an issue, and I'm glad that it came into play here. I definitely didn't anticipate the result of two-way legilemency would be that sort of resonance, but it makes a lot of sense. Snape's suspicions are predictable, and his fear at opening himself up to being mind-read is understandable given the sort of people he guards his secrets against. At the same time, his utterly hostile reaction to Hazel's adorable "someone like me!" excitement is heartbreaking. There was potential for a real and meaningful connection there, or even just a moment of understanding, but Snape was simply too Severus to let that happen.

My confusion stems from not understanding what you would consider a proper resolution and to which issues
I can't know what the other commenters are thinking, but my take-away from what they've said is mostly "Nobody has even tried to talk to Hazel yet!" All of the obstacles are completely understandable, but if nobody will listen to Hazel about them then it risks confronting her with a lot largely avoidable miscommunication problems rather than giving her (and the rest of Hogwarts) a chance to confront any of the actual obstacles and differences, including legitimate misunderstandings and incompatible contexts.

From my perspective all of this still falls under "It's only been two days, give them a chance," but I can see how all of the staff and students going "She's a liar and I won't give her a chance to explain," on every issue so far could make it feel like there's no path to progress. I suspect that giving her a chance to actually succeed or fail in a conversation with a staff member about one of the issues will fix this reader reaction.

(Edit: Ninja'd by Daemion, whose response is in line with what I said, I think, though with more blame on Hazel than I agree with.)


Moving on, though, I really want to talk about Peeves. I'm probably reading way too much into this, but there have been a number of fics that have tried to delve into Peeves' nature as distinct from ghosts, boggarts, and other spirits. After Hazel's interaction with the spirit behind the Sorting Hat, I've been thinking about Hogwarts' connection to its spirits, and I'm both curious and concerned about how this will impact Hazel's relationship with the school itself.

My first reaction was to guess that Peeves in this story was another manifestation of the entity behind the Sorting Hat, and was expecting Hazel to recognize it when it seemed ready to drop the Peeves persona:
The spirit roared, the sound coming out louder and deeper than his voice had done the entire time it was taunting Sidonia. His head and body swelled and distorted for an instant; not only the first years but Sidonia as well took a step back, proving without words that this was not normal. For a moment, Hazel worried that she might have underestimated the cruel spirit, might have overestimated herself.
That didn't happen, but I have no doubt that there will be lasting repercussions from Hazel's trigger-happy attack. As happy as I am to see her defend her new friend, I'm worried that this will cut off another avenue of knowledge and alliance she could have pursued.

Also, this is something that has been excellent for the duration of the story, but I want to again compliment you on the mechanic you have of letting Hazel hear people's internal thoughts as extensions of their normal dialogue. It makes the whole legilemency experience very smooth to read while also being clear about what is public vs. private information. It works great as a writing technique and makes Hazel's viewpoint quite unique.
 
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Hazel's magic thus far gets result that are, for the most part, the same as or similar to witch/wizard magic (traveling long distances, writing in the air, etc) even if the exact mechanisms are different.
Just picking this bit out to point out that to all appearances her powers are doing different things. Take the cleaning spell for example, she was told wand magic just does thing, while her cleaning spell does several at once.

I dont think she has seen any wand waver teleporting, they use magic brooms or trains.

Both may be magic, but they are doing different things as far as hazel can tell.
 
Just picking this bit out to point out that to all appearances her powers are doing different things. Take the cleaning spell for example, she was told wand magic just does thing, while her cleaning spell does several at once.

I dont think she has seen any wand waver teleporting, they use magic brooms or trains.

Both may be magic, but they are doing different things as far as hazel can tell.
There's a reason I said 'for the most part' and 'same or similar' rather than 'identical', yeah.
 
Sorry that I don't have much to add specifically, but with the comments in the direction that they are, it makes sense to chime in with a "I love this story".

The Hogwarts has dragged on a little bit, but it's important to establish the conflicts here, so that's not a bad thing. I feel like Hogwarts is almost always the central part of a hp fic, and the conflict between wand waver and magic user is exemplified by Hazel's experience there. This is kind of the point?

My confusion stems from not understanding what you would consider a proper resolution and to which issues.

I don't understand the comments either.

She also made a mistake, she didn't finish Peeves off

Especially this one.
 
As I said, I understand there are reasons why Hazel thinks that way, even if I wasn't considering all the points you've laid out here. It's just...

Hazel's magic thus far gets result that are, for the most part, the same as or similar to witch/wizard magic (traveling long distances, writing in the air, etc) even if the exact mechanisms are different. Both are fundamentally physics-defying forces. Both require an inborn and inherent gift. In that situation, to me it looks like the two are either very closely related or actually the same thing, and absent other evidence (i.e. learning of the existence of a magical species that can have two powersets, humans with completely separate gifts to magic, etc) that should be the assumption operated under until proven otherwise. Occam's razor- the simplest explanation is most often correct. And here, the simplest explanation (to me and the way I think, at least) is that she's using a known and existing ability slightly differently rather than having a completely new one.

And yes, I know I'm looking at this from an outside perspective, with a great deal more experience and knowledge than Hazel, and without having grown up abused for being different. It makes perfect sense that Hazel wouldn't think this way- she's a hurt, lost child trying to find her way in the world and with very limited access to information, not someone looking at it from the outside from a clinical perspective. That doesn't change the fact that my gut reaction is something along the lines of 'please, stop for a second and think', plus a wince in sympathy as I imagine how she'll cringe when she looks back on her early assumptions and complete confidence in them when she eventually gets proven wrong. It makes sense for the story, but it still makes the parts where she talks about druid magic as if it's completely separate a touch painful (just replace 'druid magic' with 'chi' or 'psychic powers', and you get basically the same effect).

As for why the difference between the two options (primal magi vs different magic) matters, that ultimately comes down to two things. First, the stuff I've outlined above, about how not considering an obvious possibility makes me wince to read about. Second, a lot of the time, the better and more accurately you understand something? The more you can do with it and the more deeply you can dive into it. It's not always the case, but if it applies here then by assuming she's using something different to witch/wizard magic Hazel is potentially putting artificial limits in place on what she can do, and limiting her ability to apply what she knows from witch/wizard magic to her own. And while that's far from an immediate concern or issue- this clearly isn't a story about Hazel powerleveling and becoming teh gr8est witch EVAH, or diving deep into the fundamental laws of magic- it still places blinkers on her.

TL;DR: I don't think there's any actual problem with what's been written, and it makes sense IC Hazel thinks and assumes the way she does. I still react to it with winces.

As you've said, I would assume that they were a form of language. And in this example, for me at least that's what access to magic is- the raw ability to communicate rather than the form it takes (i.e. magic is the ability to write, witch/wizard and druid casting styles are the individual languages, and the fundamental rules of each style are the spelling and grammar).
My first reaction to this entire post went something along the lines of "wait, what?". After what, half an hour?, I think I understand what you're saying, and if I'm right there was a MASSIVE misunderstanding or miscommunication somewhere.

Let's start from the basics. Some humans have magical abilities. Not all, but some. Let's call what they can do "human magic"; i.e., all magical humans use human magic.

Wizards are a specific subset of magical humans. They use wands and, by their own admission, cannot cast spells without a wand. When I talk about "wizard magic", I am speaking specifically about casting spells through a wand, NOT human magic as a whole. Just like when I say "wizards", I am not talking about magical humans as a whole. I am talking about this specific culture.

Hazel/"the druids" is part of a different subset of magical humans. She does not need a wand to cast spells. BUT, she still uses human magic just like the wizards do. Her means of accessing and forming it is just different, as proven by her experimentation.

That is why I made the language analogy. Wizard magic and Hazel's magic are as unrelated to each other as French is to Aztec. But that does not mean that they aren't both types (or, if you prefer a different word, manifestations) of human magic with different rules and restrictions just as French and Aztec are both human languages but with very different grammar. It also does not mean that someone can't be "bilingual"; Lily certainly was since she could both use a wand and could do magic without a wand, and Hazel knows this. It's part of the reason she is in Hogwarts in the first place, to see what spells she can adapt to her way of casting spells (or to continue the analogy, to find "words" she can translate from one language to another).

The only thing I can think of for why you think that I'm implying that Hazel isn't using human magic is some of her earliest musings about how the folklore she has read talks about druids "pulling" or deriving their magic from a connection nature. Theories she came up with before she knew for a fact that wizards even existed. I also need to direct you then to two chapters ago, where Hazel was reflecting on the difference between druid and wizard magic now that she actually has some information on wizards (again colored for emphasis):
Did it have to do with where she drew her powers from compared to wizards? Druids, as best as she could determine from folklore and her own experience, derived their magical powers from nature. It was part of why her magic worked better on living things and how she had turned a simple tree branch into a living staff using nothing but meditation. It was also how she was able to communicate with wild spirits, like when she bargained for her fairy lens and when she asked for help tracking the magic boar alongside Grégoire.

But if her magic ultimately came from a connection to nature, where did a wizard's power come from?

As Professor Flitwick started describing and comparing how the motion of a wand directed the 'flow' of a spell, she could not help but mull that over in light of her question. Was the reason wizard spells could be so unpredictable due to the wands themselves, perhaps? She could not help but recall that Mr. Ollivander had made it clear that wands had their own thoughts and made their own choices. Was that the difference, that there were in essence two minds of a sort involved in any spell a wizard wanted to cast?

Might it be that a wizard's power came from a wand or other magical item, and that was why they were so dependent on wands to the point that they couldn't cast spells without one? It sounded like a simple enough explanation, but the books she had read mentioned that underage witches typically had uncontrolled bursts of magic before they were given a wand. That meant it could not be magic pulled from an object.

Hazel frowned and tapped the page of her notebook with her pen. When something was not working or was not making sense, she had learned that the best way forward was to go backwards instead and look at where she might have made a mistake. Maybe it was not that the druids' power originated from nature but instead were directed or channeled through it? When she meditated, she was giving some of her magic to the world and taking some of its magic in return. Her own spells, then, was not purely hers. It was hers and nature's combined.
So she's still refining her theories about what magic IS and where it comes from, and has already moved to the theory that I explained above.


Oof. Moving on…

Hazel's unique magic isn't a problem to be solved, neither is the lack of a wand or her being mute. But what could be done is clearing up the misunderstandings, starting with her being a runaway because she had been abused by her relatives. She could explain the magic she has learned already, she could demonstrate the magic tools she crafted, she could tell them about her travels.

In turn she could be told about her vault in Gringotts, about her parents, about her status in the wizarding world and related stuff.

You know, communication and exchange of information. People assume a lot of things about her, she assumes a lot of things about people and neither side is correct. If the school is being informed about her limitations, then they can accomodate her. Although failing to allow mute people to enter the Hufflepuff common room is a mark against them. That's basically the one thing they definitely knew about her from the start.

Right now it looks like Hazel doesn't care to do any of that, she even accepts that the other kids are trashtalking her and assume she's a squib. Something she could clear up quickly if she wanted to.

Yes, I completely understand that she's broken, different and not the typical child. Anyone else would look for help after being locked out, Hazel simply accepts it and is fine with sleeping in a corner somewhere. That doesn't mean she should treat every problem like that... it's not like they stop existing after being ignored.
Hoo, boy. If you want all of these topics to be addressed, either individually or with other characters, you are in for a LOOOOOOOONG wait. Some of this stuff won't pop up for literally a couple of years.

The only thing I want to address specifically is that you said Hazel could clear up the misunderstanding about whether she's a squib quickly "if she wanted to". I bring this up because I think it's important to understand that she doesn't care. Whether the wizard kids think she is a Squib has no impact on her ability to use magic. I brought that up in the last chapter to make sure it was clear.

Is this going to further ostracize her and keep her as an outsider within Hogwarts? Probably. Will it keep her from making some friends? No. Will she ever care about the opinions of wand-wavers as a society?

…Not sure because that depends on the muse, but all signs currently point to no.

Moving on, though, I really want to talk about Peeves. I'm probably reading way too much into this, but there have been a number of fics that have tried to delve into Peeves' nature as distinct from ghosts, boggarts, and other spirits. After Hazel's interaction with the spirit behind the Sorting Hat, I've been thinking about Hogwarts' connection to its spirits, and I'm both curious and concerned about how this will impact Hazel's relationship with the school itself.

My first reaction was to guess that Peeves in this story was another manifestation of the entity behind the Sorting Hat, and was expecting Hazel to recognize it when it seemed ready to drop the Peeves persona:
Wait. You think that Peeves… and the Sorting Hat…? Oh, hell no. They are two ENTIRELY different entities.

Peeves is a poltergeist. He is not part of Hogwarts; he is a guest within the castle at the pleasure of the Bloody Baron and the Headmaster/Headmistress (not that the individuals who held that position over the last several centuries know that). That's why threatening him with the Bloody Baron's displeasure can tend to make him behave or at least go torment someone else.

The entity that is referred to as the Sorting Hat is… something else. I can't see the Bloody Baron ever trying to take that entity to task over anything, but if it did happen? Smart money is NOT on the Baron coming out on top.
 
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My first reaction to this entire post went something along the lines of "wait, what?". After what, half an hour?, I think I understand what you're saying, and if I'm right there was a MASSIVE misunderstanding or miscommunication somewhere.

Let's start from the basics. Some humans have magical abilities. Not all, but some. Let's call what they can do "human magic"; i.e., all magical humans use human magic.

Wizards are a specific subset of magical humans. They use wands and, by their own admission, cannot cast spells without a wand. When I talk about "wizard magic", I am speaking specifically about casting spells through a wand, NOT human magic as a whole. Just like when I say "wizards", I am not talking about magical humans as a whole. I am talking about this specific culture.

Hazel/"the druids" is part of a different subset of magical humans. She does not need a wand to cast spells. BUT, she still uses human magic just like the wizards do. Her means of accessing and forming it is just different, as proven by her experimentation.

That is why I made the language analogy. Wizard magic and Hazel's magic are as unrelated to each other as French is to Aztec. But that does not mean that they aren't both types (or, if you prefer a different word, manifestations) of human magic just as French and Aztec are both human languages. It also does not mean that someone can't be "bilingual"; Lily certainly was since she could both use a wand and could do magic without a wand, and Hazel knows this. It's part of the reason she is in Hogwarts in the first place, to see what spells she can adapt to her way of casting spells (or to continue the analogy, to find "words" she can translate from one language to another).

The only thing I can think of for why you think that I'm implying that Hazel isn't using human magic is some of her earliest musings about how the folklore she has read talks about druids "pulling" or deriving their magic from a connection nature. Theories she came up with before she knew for a fact that wizards even existed. I also need to direct you then to two chapters ago, where Hazel was reflecting on the difference between druid and wizard magic now that she actually has some information on wizards (again colored for emphasis):

So she's still refining her theories about what magic IS and where it comes from, and has already moved to the theory that I explained above.

So she's still refining her theories about what magic IS and where it comes from, and has already moved to the theory that I explained above.

Oof. Moving on…
No, I do think Hazel is using human magic. That was very clear. My thing is that she's using human magic, but somehow assuming that the form of human magic she's using is fundamentally different from witch/wizard magic. To try and clear things up...

My understanding of things so far is that all magic-using humans, regardless of what type of magic they use, are pulling from the same power source. The difference between witch/wizard magic and druid magic is the mechanism that they use to access and direct that power source, not the power source itself.

The impression I've gotten of Hazel, meanwhile, is that she seems to be thinking that there are two (or more) distinct types of magical power humans can have. So if you have power source type A then you're a witch/wizard and can use that sort of magic, if you have type B then you're a druid and can use that sort of magic, and if you can have both you can use both sorts of magic- but they still remain distinct and separate from one another.
 
The impression i got from last chapter was that she does care about being called a squib, she bailed on the dinner hall because of it after all, she is just telling herself she doesnt in that really annoying tween trying to be edgy way. Less not caring, more trying to protect bruises by flinching away and chanting "it doesnt hurt".
 
Hazel frowned and tapped the page of her notebook with her pen. When something was not working or was not making sense, she had learned that the best way forward was to go backwards instead and look at where she might have made a mistake. Maybe it was not that the druids' power originated from nature but instead were directed or channeled through it? When she meditated, she was giving some of her magic to the world and taking some of its magic in return. Her own spells, then, was not purely hers. It was hers and nature's combined.

So I'm guessing that based on what Hazel is thinking, the Staff will likely end up being a sort of connector. Physically and Spiritually connecting her to Nature, the outdoors and so on. Like literally it reaches from her hands to the ground.

From this, she will be able to do more wild ritual and nature magic.
 
No, I do think Hazel is using human magic. That was very clear. My thing is that she's using human magic, but somehow assuming that the form of human magic she's using is fundamentally different from witch/wizard magic. To try and clear things up...

My understanding of things so far is that all magic-using humans, regardless of what type of magic they use, are pulling from the same power source. The difference between witch/wizard magic and druid magic is the mechanism that they use to access and direct that power source, not the power source itself.

The impression I've gotten of Hazel, meanwhile, is that she seems to be thinking that there are two (or more) distinct types of magical power humans can have. So if you have power source type A then you're a witch/wizard and can use that sort of magic, if you have type B then you're a druid and can use that sort of magic, and if you can have both you can use both sorts of magic- but they still remain distinct and separate from one another.
Your understanding is correct.

Your impression of Hazel's understanding is not correct. She doesn't think that she has a different power source or that her mother had two power sources. She's just trying to figure out why wizards and druids have such different mechanisms that share seemingly no rules in common.

Some of that theorizing is about whether there are different intermediate steps between power source and mechanism. Hence druids possibly drawing magic from/through nature.

If you remember scenes that gave you this impression, let me know and I will reword things so this confusion won't persist. Later, though, when I no longer have a headache from all this.
 
Your understanding is correct.

Your impression of Hazel's understanding is not correct. She doesn't think that she has a different power source or that her mother had two power sources. She's just trying to figure out why wizards and druids have such different mechanisms that share seemingly no rules in common.

Some of that theorizing is about whether there are different intermediate steps between power source and mechanism. Hence druids possibly drawing magic from/through nature.

If you remember scenes that gave you this impression, let me know and I will reword things so this confusion won't persist. Later, though, when I no longer have a headache from all this.
Ahhhhh, thanks for clearing that up. That makes things a lot less wince-inducing to read. My bad for misunderstanding.

When it comes to the rewriting thing, though... it's not a specific scene that's given the impression, it's something about how Hazel refers to druid magic versus witch/wizard magic throughout the whole story. There's just something about the language she uses and way she refers to it that creates a much more distinct separation between the two than them simply being two aspects of the same thing.

Also, sorry about the headache; I hope it clears up soon. :(
 
Wait. You think that Peeves… and the Sorting Hat…? Oh, hell no. They are two ENTIRELY different entities.
No, that's clear at this point, but thank you for the confirmation. Conflating them was a passing thought that lasted for a single paragraph. The actual concern I meant to convey in my post was that the community of spirits at Hogwarts will be angry or fearful of Hazel, which will make them less willing to accept conversation for her to learn from them, and less willing to participate in the sort of bargains she's made in the past. At the extreme end, the more potent entities including the Sorting Hat could take offense to her methods and make her unwelcome or even unsafe in parts of Hogwarts. I doubt it will come to that, but I expect the ripples of this through the spirit community will not be predominantly positive for Hazel.

It also does not mean that someone can't be "bilingual"; Lily certainly was since she could both use a wand and could do magic without a wand, and Hazel knows this.
I think this may be the point that you are losing people on, since this definitely wasn't clear to me from the story itself. My impression is that most or even all wizarding children do accidental/wandless magic before attending school. Nothing that Hazel has learned about Lily makes her stand out from that to me, so Hazel concluding that Lily is "bilingual" due to her apparent access to "druid magic" simply made me think the differences between the manifestations of magic were unimportant rather than making me believe Lily was unique. I thought that Hazel dismissing James' potential druid heritage was due to the fact he'd been raised by wand-wavers.

EDIT: Unless what you're describing is simply Hazel's understanding of things, in which case it comes through fine in the text.
 
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Yeah tbh I thought that Lily just did like a bit of nature related magic as a kid and like didn't necessarily explore it much. I thought that Hazel just didn't want to confront that she was fully mistaken about lily's druidic heritage not that Lily was basically bilingualish in magic
 
Ahhhhh, thanks for clearing that up. That makes things a lot less wince-inducing to read. My bad for misunderstanding.

When it comes to the rewriting thing, though... it's not a specific scene that's given the impression, it's something about how Hazel refers to druid magic versus witch/wizard magic throughout the whole story. There's just something about the language she uses and way she refers to it that creates a much more distinct separation between the two than them simply being two aspects of the same thing.

Also, sorry about the headache; I hope it clears up soon. :(
I'd say I wish we could all be mind-readers like Hazel so we could know what other people think without the miscommunications of language, but then I remember that Hazel STILL misunderstands what people want or think even then. :D
I think this may be the point that you are losing people on, since this definitely wasn't clear to me from the story itself. My impression is that most or even all wizarding children do accidental/wandless magic before attending school. Nothing that Hazel has learned about Lily makes her stand out from that to me, so Hazel concluding that Lily is "bilingual" due to her apparent access to "druid magic" simply made me think the differences between the manifestations of magic were unimportant rather than making me believe Lily was unique. I thought that Hazel dismissing James' potential druid heritage was due to the fact he'd been raised by wand-wavers.
Go back to Petunia's memories in chapter one, plus scenes from Deathly Hallows. Lily wasn't special because she had accidental wandless magic. She was special because it wasn't accidental, both before and after she had a wand. Meanwhile wizards claim that intentional magic without using a wand isn't possible, so by that logic Lily had to be doing something different from your typical wand-waving.
Yeah tbh I thought that Lily just did like a bit of nature related magic as a kid and like didn't necessarily explore it much. I thought that Hazel just didn't want to confront that she was fully mistaken about lily's druidic heritage
Huh. That is an interesting take on Hazel's motivations. Certainly not what I intended, but to be fair Hazel knows very little about her mother other than a few scraps of memories stolen from her aunt.

Regarding Lily, we know canonically that she did magic at home because Petunia saw it happen. Petunia in book 1 implies it was a regular occurrence, which is why in this story and based on background from book 7 she did it wandlessly. But how frequent it actually was…





I feel like I need to reiterate that the source of the confusion over the last several hours is (or feels like it is) Hazel trying to figure stuff out from first principles because the wizard world is very closed-minded about what is possible. We have never let her point of view, so we don't see gaps in her knowledge that she herself is unaware of.

Tl;dr: Hazel might not be an unreliable narrator per se, but she is definitely an unreliable (or at least undereducated) historian. She's trying to fix that!
 
Go back to Petunia's memories in chapter one, plus scenes from Deathly Hallows. Lily wasn't special because she had accidental wandless magic. She was special because it wasn't accidental, both before and after she had a wand. Meanwhile wizards claim that intentional magic without using a wand isn't possible, so by that logic Lily had to be doing something different from your typical wand-waving.
Out of curiosity, what made you decide to divert from canon and have intentional magic without a wand be impossible in this story? Too much exposure to fics where wandless magic is treated as the equivalent of omnipotence?
 
Out of curiosity, what made you decide to divert from canon and have intentional magic without a wand be impossible in this story? Too much exposure to fics where wandless magic is treated as the equivalent of omnipotence?
It's clearly not impossible, but the people in charge do want people to think it is impossible.
Probably for regulation and control purposes. If they have to use a wand to do magic, then you can control the wand supply, and also make people practically helpless unarmed.
 
It's clearly not impossible, but the people in charge do want people to think it is impossible.
Probably for regulation and control purposes. If they have to use a wand to do magic, then you can control the wand supply, and also make people practically helpless unarmed.
Probably should have specified 'have people think', yeah. :V

(I may need to go to sleep)
 
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