Space, Rockets, Satellites, oh my!

Coming after of recent Landspace hopper success another Chinese company Deep Blue Aerospace who notably being the first Chinese company to do 1km level rocket hopper test a few years ago also conduct their hop test with actual rocket first stage (albeit only equip with 3 out of 9 engine).

The test end in failure after what the company suspect as throttling software glitch causing engine to cutoff too early resulting in it crashing down back into the pad.

The company say that they already build another Nebula-1 first stage and can try again next month.

As for it size, do note that the finish rocket is only aiming for 2 tons to LEO, so it is a lot smaller than Falcon 9.

This is footage of the fail hop test taken by FPV Drone.

View: https://youtu.be/H-g26Zt15lo?feature=shared
 
Yeah looks like right at the end was an engine problem. I imagine they'll figure it out and fix it though, so probably just a matter of time for them.
 
It has to do with whether they can launch two Long March 5s from Wenchang SLC in such short interval. Previous LM-5 launches has always had a staggered period of preparation/assembly before and after the launch. The infrastructure for it may or may not exist, especially given how much construction activity is scheduled for Wenchang in the next decade. If they choose to do a simultaneous launch and they aren't able to quickly launch LM-5s, the second payload may just use a Long March 7 instead.

The alternative option is also Long March 10s, which are scheduled to come operational a year or so before Tianwen-3 starts, but that's also a pretty tough hypothetical. The only thing concrete so far is that CNSA is confident in hitting the 2028 launch window given the progress of the overall program.
Quoting myself because it was just released that Wenchang is expanding LM-5 launch capacity so they are most likely able to do the quick launch plan for Tianwen-3.
 
Quoting myself because it was just released that Wenchang is expanding LM-5 launch capacity so they are most likely able to do the quick launch plan for Tianwen-3.
I heard that Wenchang current expansion plan is aiming for 10 liquid fuel launch pad and 10 solid fuel launch pad (some maybe duel use for rocket recovery) including the existing one.

So I guess we have another confirm launch pad then.
 
Coming after of recent Landspace hopper success another Chinese company Deep Blue Aerospace who notably being the first Chinese company to do 1km level rocket hopper test a few years ago also conduct their hop test with actual rocket first stage (albeit only equip with 3 out of 9 engine).

The test end in failure after what the company suspect as throttling software glitch causing engine to cutoff too early resulting in it crashing down back into the pad.

The company say that they already build another Nebula-1 first stage and can try again next month.

As for it size, do note that the finish rocket is only aiming for 2 tons to LEO, so it is a lot smaller than Falcon 9.

This is footage of the fail hop test taken by FPV Drone.

View: https://youtu.be/H-g26Zt15lo?feature=shared

Also I just want to emphasize that this test is somewhat more important than other Chinese hopper for these company. If I recall correctly this is not just a hopper but an actual first stage of their rocket, it look small because the final product is relatively small rocket (2 tons to LEO), albeit only with 3 out of 9 engine install.

So this is like them actually testing (and loosing their first stage), though as mentioned they have another backup ready to test again next month.
 
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Blue Origin tests New Glenn upper stage

Blue Origin tested the upper stage of its first New Glenn but on a schedule that appears to vindicate a NASA decision not to use it for a launch in October.
Blue Origin said it test-fired the second stage of the New Glenn on the pad at Cape Canaveral's Launch Complex 36 Sept. 23. The two BE-3U engines in the upper stage fired for 15 seconds in the test.

The test firing "marked the first time we operated the vehicle as an integrated system," the company stated, testing interactions among various vehicle systems and ground equipment. It also provided practice for the launch control team.

The test was one of the key milestones leading up to the inaugural New Glenn launch, called NG-1 by Blue Origin. That mission was originally slated to carry a NASA mission called ESCAPADE, sending a pair of smallsats to Mars. That required launching during a narrow window between Oct. 13 and 21 of this year.

However, NASA announced Sept. 6 that it would not proceed with that launch schedule, making the decision before fueling the spacecraft.

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Blue Origin will instead use the NG-1 mission to test technology for its Blue Ring orbital transfer vehicle. That launch is scheduled for as soon as November.
 
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China launches reusable Shijian-19 satellite for space breeding and technology tests

HELSINKI — China launched the retrievable and reusable Shijian-19 satellite Friday to carry out a range of experiments in low Earth orbit. A Long March 2D rocket lifted off at 8:30 a.m. Eastern (1…
Shijian-19 is a retrievable satellite developed by the China Academy of Space Technology (CAST). The same arm of China's main space contractor is also developing a reusable crew spacecraft for low Earth orbit (LEO) and lunar and deep space missions.

The mission is geared towards space breeding experiments and carries various plant seeds selected from a range of locations. Researchers hope the exposure to the radiation environment of LEO will instigate mutations that may bring about advantages such as shorter breeding cycles and other beneficial variations.

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The Shijian-19 mission also includes in-orbit flight test verification tests for domestic components and raw materials and the development and application of new space technologies. The reusable spacecraft is intended to be utilized for this and other microgravity science and space life science experiments.

The mission also carries payloads from five countries, including Thailand and Pakistan, according to the China National Space Administration (CNSA).

CAST officials had presented the reusable, retrievable Shijian satellite series back in 2018. It was stated that around 15 missions were planned for the period 2019-2025. Friday was, however, the first launch.

... The recoverable portion can carry between 500 to 600 kilograms of payload.
 
Want to ask about the orbit of the planets around the sun. In order to reach them by spaceship, we can predict their paths right? How do we know they're stable.
They aren't completely stable in that they will not remain in the exact same orbits forever. Over time there will be some level of fluctuations.

Still for things like space flight we're able to predict their orbital paths forward with more then enough accuracy for quite a few years or even I think decades forwards time. So it's not a problem for realistic spacecraft operation.
 

Want to ask about the orbit of the planets around the sun. In order to reach them by spaceship, we can predict their paths right? How do we know they're stable.
What do you mean by stable? If you mean if we are at risk of losing Saturn or whatever then the answer is no. Absent a massive extrasolar body showing up and really screwing with things all the planets and whatnot are sticking around. If you mean how precisely and accurately we know their future positions then the answer, as Quickshot0 says, is that we know them very well. There is error in the projection of course that will accumulate over time but for any realistic purpose it's not a problem or easily correctable for most things and for what is more difficult it is mostly a matter of dedicating resources to get more data. The article demarcates a short timescale as less than 10 million years, so yeah, not a problem any time soon.
 
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Vulcan competes second flight despite SRB anomaly

United Launch Alliance’s second Vulcan Centaur lifted off Oct. 4 on a test flight needed to certify the vehicle for carrying national security payloads, but may have suffered a problem with one of …
The Vulcan Centaur lifted off at 7:25 a.m. Eastern from Space Launch Complex 41 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The liftoff took place near the middle of a three-hour launch window after an initial half-hour delay to provide additional time for pre-launch checks.

The first countdown attempt was halted 1 minute and 51 seconds before liftoff. Tory Bruno, chief executive of ULA, said on social media that a "transient on a redundant data system" triggered the hold, and controllers resolved the issue and reset the countdown for the second attempt, which resulted in liftoff.

ULA said that the vehicle's performance was nominal in the early stages of flight. However, the separation of the two GEM 63XL solid rocket boosters (SRB) took place nearly 30 seconds later than the timeline the company provided before launch. About 35 seconds after liftoff, there appeared to be material coming off one of the boosters, whose plume changed appearance, suggesting damage to the SRB's nozzle.

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The Cert-2 mission was effectively a test flight for the Vulcan, carrying only a mass simulator as well as instrumentation. ULA originally planned to launch Sierra Space's Dream Chaser spaceplane on this flight but replaced it with an inert payload in June when Sierra Space said Dream Chaser would not be ready in time for a fall launch.

ULA wanted to launch Vulcan as soon as September — a date that later slipped to early October — so that it could gain Space Force certification of the vehicle and conduct two national security missions, USSF-106 and USSF-87, before the end of the year.
 
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China launches reusable Shijian-19 satellite for space breeding and technology tests

HELSINKI — China launched the retrievable and reusable Shijian-19 satellite Friday to carry out a range of experiments in low Earth orbit. A Long March 2D rocket lifted off at 8:30 a.m. Eastern (1…
Update.
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Shijian-19 reusable satellite lands after 2 weeks in space

HELSINKI — China’s first retrievable and reusable satellite returned to Earth late Thursday following two weeks of experiments in low Earth orbit. The Shijian-19 satellite touched down at 10:39 p.m…
The Shijian-19 satellite touched down at 0239 UTC, Oct. 11 at the Dongfeng landing site near Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in the Gobi Desert. Recovery personnel opened the spacecraft to retrieve its payloads.

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The mission also "verified the technical indicators of the new generation of high-performance reusable returning space test platform and achieved various expected test results," [the China National Space Administration] stated.
 
The second batch of satellites for the Thousand Sails megaconstellation (formerly known as "G60 Starlink") has been launched:

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China launches second batch of 18 satellites for Thousand Sails megaconstellation

MILAN — China successfully launched the second group of 18 satellites for the planned 14,000-satellite Thousand Sails megaconstellation Tuesday. A Long March 6A rocket lifted off from Taiyuan Satel…
Article:
The Long March 6A upper stage deployed the flat panel Qianfan (or "Thousand Sails") Polar Orbit-02 group of 18 satellites into polar orbit for Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST). The project is sometimes referred to as G60 Starlink.

The mission will be followed closely for a number of reasons. The Long March 6A, developed by the state-owned Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology (SAST), has, despite successful launchers, suffered issues with its upper stage fragmenting. Its last launch—which carried the first 18 Qianfan satellites—broke up into a cloud suspected to number more than 700 pieces of orbital debris. SAST has so far not responded to requests for comment.

Furthermore, there are concerns over the apparent brightness of the Qianfan satellites and their potential impact on astronomy.

SSST plans for the constellation's first stage to consist of 1,296 satellites. 648 of these are to be launched by the end of 2025 to provide regional network coverage. The completed network will consist of more than 14,000 low Earth orbit broadband multimedia satellites.

Thousand Sails is backed by the government of Shanghai. It is one of several planned Chinese megaconstellations.

As mentioned above, astronomers have also recently measured the satellites' brightness:

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Observers’ Report: First Views of the Chinese “Thousand Sails” Satellites

Amateur astronomers have shown that the first satellites of the Chinese Qianfan (“Thousand Sails”) constellation are bright enough to be seen naked-eye.
Article:
Experienced visual satellite observers began recording brightness once the ephemeris data became available. Richard Cole in southwestern UK informed me that the spacecraft were magnitude 4.6 on August 15th. Bram Dorreman measured 6.1 and 5.1 on successive passes over northern Belgium on August 16th. I gauged them to be magnitude 5.2 a few hours later from Bowie, Maryland, and then at 5.8 on August 21st.

Cole, Dorreman, and I observed the Qianfan satellites between 28° and 54° above our local horizons. The data indicate brighter magnitudes at greater heights and suggest that the spacecraft shine at about magnitude 4 near zenith. That brightness compares to the magnitude 4.3 that I derived from Nick James' video, which he recorded as the satellites passed almost straight overhead.

[ . . . ]

Besides the Thousand Sails project, two other large Chinese satellite constellations are under development. The China National Network Group is planning for 13,000 spacecraft in their Guowang (also referred to as SatNet) constellation. And commercial manufacturer Landray Hongqing is building the Crane-3 constellation, which will field an anticipated 10,000 more satellites according to the company's filings. Altogether, the three constellations would tally up to 37,000 spacecraft.

[ . . . ]

The Thousand Sails spacecraft at their current brightness would seriously interfere with astronomical research as well as aesthetic appreciation of the night sky. In the U.S., SpaceX is working with astronomers to address the problem of bright spacecraft, and Starlink has succeeded in significantly reducing the brightness of its satellites. There are, however, no regulations in place as yet that govern satellite brightness. We can only hope that Chinese spacecraft operators will diminish the brightness of Thousand Sails satellites and other constellations.

I think the debris problem will likely be dealt with quickly, since polluting their own orbits goes directly against their interests.

I am not sure how soon the brightness issue will be addressed. That may depend on how much influence China's domestic observational astronomers have.
 
The second batch of satellites for the Thousand Sails megaconstellation (formerly known as "G60 Starlink") has been launched:

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China launches second batch of 18 satellites for Thousand Sails megaconstellation

MILAN — China successfully launched the second group of 18 satellites for the planned 14,000-satellite Thousand Sails megaconstellation Tuesday. A Long March 6A rocket lifted off from Taiyuan Satel…
Article:
The Long March 6A upper stage deployed the flat panel Qianfan (or "Thousand Sails") Polar Orbit-02 group of 18 satellites into polar orbit for Shanghai Spacecom Satellite Technology (SSST). The project is sometimes referred to as G60 Starlink.

The mission will be followed closely for a number of reasons. The Long March 6A, developed by the state-owned Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology (SAST), has, despite successful launchers, suffered issues with its upper stage fragmenting. Its last launch—which carried the first 18 Qianfan satellites—broke up into a cloud suspected to number more than 700 pieces of orbital debris. SAST has so far not responded to requests for comment.

Furthermore, there are concerns over the apparent brightness of the Qianfan satellites and their potential impact on astronomy.

SSST plans for the constellation's first stage to consist of 1,296 satellites. 648 of these are to be launched by the end of 2025 to provide regional network coverage. The completed network will consist of more than 14,000 low Earth orbit broadband multimedia satellites.

Thousand Sails is backed by the government of Shanghai. It is one of several planned Chinese megaconstellations.

As mentioned above, astronomers have also recently measured the satellites' brightness:

skyandtelescope.org

Observers’ Report: First Views of the Chinese “Thousand Sails” Satellites

Amateur astronomers have shown that the first satellites of the Chinese Qianfan (“Thousand Sails”) constellation are bright enough to be seen naked-eye.
Article:
Experienced visual satellite observers began recording brightness once the ephemeris data became available. Richard Cole in southwestern UK informed me that the spacecraft were magnitude 4.6 on August 15th. Bram Dorreman measured 6.1 and 5.1 on successive passes over northern Belgium on August 16th. I gauged them to be magnitude 5.2 a few hours later from Bowie, Maryland, and then at 5.8 on August 21st.

Cole, Dorreman, and I observed the Qianfan satellites between 28° and 54° above our local horizons. The data indicate brighter magnitudes at greater heights and suggest that the spacecraft shine at about magnitude 4 near zenith. That brightness compares to the magnitude 4.3 that I derived from Nick James' video, which he recorded as the satellites passed almost straight overhead.

[ . . . ]

Besides the Thousand Sails project, two other large Chinese satellite constellations are under development. The China National Network Group is planning for 13,000 spacecraft in their Guowang (also referred to as SatNet) constellation. And commercial manufacturer Landray Hongqing is building the Crane-3 constellation, which will field an anticipated 10,000 more satellites according to the company's filings. Altogether, the three constellations would tally up to 37,000 spacecraft.

[ . . . ]

The Thousand Sails spacecraft at their current brightness would seriously interfere with astronomical research as well as aesthetic appreciation of the night sky. In the U.S., SpaceX is working with astronomers to address the problem of bright spacecraft, and Starlink has succeeded in significantly reducing the brightness of its satellites. There are, however, no regulations in place as yet that govern satellite brightness. We can only hope that Chinese spacecraft operators will diminish the brightness of Thousand Sails satellites and other constellations.

I think the debris problem will likely be dealt with quickly, since polluting their own orbits goes directly against their interests.

I am not sure how soon the brightness issue will be addressed. That may depend on how much influence China's domestic observational astronomers have.
I might be wrong (I don't keep up with G60 that much). I think I heard somewhere that they are as bright as some of the earliest SpaceX Starlink satellite. So if Starlink eventually address these problem perhaps so could China (hopefully). After all they still need to use their ground base telescope just as much as other country.

LM-6A second stage exploding into debris way more too common than I would like I wonder what is wrong with it.
 
The first Long March 6A second stage to explode happened back in 2022. Another exploded just this August (to deploy the Thousand Sails). They've had around 2 years to fix the exploding debris problem and it feels more like they don't want to get around to it.
 
The first Long March 6A second stage to explode happened back in 2022. Another exploded just this August (to deploy the Thousand Sails). They've had around 2 years to fix the exploding debris problem and it feels more like they don't want to get around to it.
Multiple of Their next generation rocket will have siimiliar capacity as LM-6A. So I wonder if China just think it is fine to just keep launching it until those rocket start launching and phase out LM-6A rather than solving the problem with it
 
Multiple of Their next generation rocket will have siimiliar capacity as LM-6A. So I wonder if China just think it is fine to just keep launching it until those rocket start launching and phase out LM-6A rather than solving the problem with it
They should be grounding the LM-6A if they can't fix it and wait for the phase out. If not for the sake of the rest of the world then for themselves. It is polluting their own orbits.
 
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Blue Origin conducts first flight of second human-rated New Shepard

Blue Origin carried out the first flight of a new model of its New Shepard suborbital vehicle Oct. 23, a mission the company called “nominal and on target” despite going to a slightly lower altitud…
The uncrewed NS-27 mission lifted off from Blue Origin's Launch Site One in West Texas at 11:26 a.m. Eastern. The company had scrubbed an initial launch attempt Oct. 7 for unspecified technical issues that could not be resolved before the launch window closed, and Blue Origin called off a second attempt Oct. 13 "to troubleshoot a GPS issue."

... [T]he mission flew 12 research payloads, five of them on the booster and seven inside the capsule. The rocket reached a maximum altitude of around 332,000 feet (101 kilometers) before returning for a landing around seven minutes and 20 seconds later.

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The flight was the first for a new model of both the New Shepard capsule, called RSS Kármán Line, and the booster, designated Booster 5.
 
Well Blue Origin certainly seem to be continuing to keep their various projects all going, so that seems pretty good from getting some more competition for SpaceX to appear. Hopefully their orbital rocket will work as well.
 
Coming after of recent Landspace hopper success another Chinese company Deep Blue Aerospace who notably being the first Chinese company to do 1km level rocket hopper test a few years ago also conduct their hop test with actual rocket first stage (albeit only equip with 3 out of 9 engine).

The test end in failure after what the company suspect as throttling software glitch causing engine to cutoff too early resulting in it crashing down back into the pad.

The company say that they already build another Nebula-1 first stage and can try again next month.

As for it size, do note that the finish rocket is only aiming for 2 tons to LEO, so it is a lot smaller than Falcon 9.

This is footage of the fail hop test taken by FPV Drone.

View: https://youtu.be/H-g26Zt15lo?feature=shared



Heavier rocket planned by Deep Blue Aerospace for 2026, the Nebula-2.

View: https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1849764394860978557
New specs of Nebula-2. 5M diameter. 11 LT-RS engines at first stage. Lift-off thrust reaching 1460t. Via https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/FqKo2ZOoJw3HHfXOTe_79Q
5 meter diameter
Powered by 11 130 tons thrust kerolox gas generator cycle engine
>25 tons to LEO

Engine gas generator being test fired earlier today

View: https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1849766155092889928

I think if this is complete it will be the most powerful gas generator cycle engine China ever built when it is complete.

This might also be the most capable planned single core reusable Chinese rocket right now.
 
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China launches 3 astronauts to Tiangong space station on Shenzhou 19 mission (video)

The Shenzhou 19 crew will embark on a series of spacewalks during their 6-month mission aboard Tiangong.
A Long March 2F rocket topped with the Shenzhou 19 crew spacecraft lifted off from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center today (Oct. 29) at 4:27 p.m. EDT (2027 GMT; 4:27 a.m. Oct. 30 Beijing time), rising into a night sky above the spaceport.

Aboard are commander Cai Xuzhe, 48, who was a member of the Shenzhou 14 mission, and rookie astronauts Song Lingdong, 34, a former air force pilot, and Wang Haoze, also 34, a spaceflight engineer.

Wang, according to the [China Manned Space Agency], is currently China's only female spaceflight engineer. She will become the third Chinese woman to take part in a crewed mission.
 
Two selected proposal from Chinese tender for low cost cargo spacecraft. Apparently with target of >1.8 tons cargo to Chinese Space Station.


 
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