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SEE YOU NEXT MISSION - Metroid Series General

In terms of raw power? Lategame Corruption or the end of Dread. In terms of versatility? Probably Samus Returns, as you said. Even if she lacks the speed booster in SR, the time dilation upgrade and the Power Bomb pseudo-Shinespark cover for it in functionality anyway. (Though Dread and Echoes feel like decent runner-ups on the versatility front.)
 
I feel like her strongest individual beams were from Echoes, outside of Hypermode, the Omegacannon, and such.

The Light, Dark, and Annihilation Beams are just really good at melting enemies, and their beam combos all were leagues beyond the beam combos in both Super and Prime 1. The Darkburst and Sunburst even feel like they're referenced in Dread by Raven Beak's attacks.

Besides that, however, I do think Dread has the best loadout overall and it's also the game with her developing her Metroid powers. Even without the Metroid Suit, the ability to recharge and rearm is such a game changer, and it lets her (in cutscenes) kill EMMIs by just grabbing them. Samus has always been about fighting at range, but they gave her a sick instant-win melee ability that also actively heals and rearms her, which means as long as there's something to drain, she has infinite endurance.

Then you add the Aeion abilities on top of that, the strongest depiction of the Power Bomb, the fact all her 275 missiles are Super Ice Missiles, she's got a mostly fully combined beam that can be spammed faster than any other game, has Storm missiles which are Seeker missiles but better... Yeah, Dread Samus is way above Super in terms of strength I believe.

Samus Returns does have more offensive/defensive Aeion abilities, but they pale in comparison to Dread's Metroid powers.
 
Shadow Archon said:
Then you add the Aeion abilities on top of that, the strongest depiction of the Power Bomb, the fact all her 275 missiles are Super Ice Missiles, she's got a mostly fully combined beam that can be spammed faster than any other game, has Storm missiles which are Seeker missiles but better... Yeah, Dread Samus is way above Super in terms of strength I believe.

Samus Returns does have more offensive/defensive Aeion abilities, but they pale in comparison to Dread's Metroid powers.
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Time slow though! The concept is super cool at least, even if it seems to have limited utility in-game. I haven't actually played Samus Returns so I haven't tried it out for myself. But it slows down time by half right?

Also is Dread the most powerful version of the power bomb? I thought that was Other M.
 
Hyperion 2.0 said:
Time slow though! The concept is super cool at least, even if it seems to have limited utility in-game. I haven't actually played Samus Returns so I haven't tried it out for myself. But it slows down time by half right?

Also is Dread the most powerful version of the power bomb? I thought that was Other M.
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Phase Drift slows time by half for everything except Samus, and you can keep it up a decent amount of time, but unlike Dread, Aeion doesn't recharge automatically. You have to use pickups or a recharge station to fill it back up, meaning you only have a limited amount of use in boss fights. It's biggest use is getting past crumble blocks, and for prolonging the weak point window for certain bosses.

As for the power bomb... I've never played Other M, so I wasn't considering it. (I'll probably begrudgingly try it after I'm finished with the Prime games.)

So, it being cooldown based with unlimited ammo is interesting, but I'm not sure how large its range is? Its damage sounds great, but I was mainly thinking about Dread's Power Bombs being the best due to having their radius be so large, the explosion can actually follow you into other rooms and kill enemies there. There's also the fact they can instantly kill the Chozo Robot Soldier mini-bosses. It's very cathartic to just one-shot the duo of bots in Burenia.
 
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Hyperion 2.0 said:
I've been wondering, and I'm interested in getting input on this: at what point is Samus at her strongest? That is, excluding one-offs like the Metroid Suit or hyper beam in Super, what is her strongest loadout?

Previously I would have said Super Metroid, since she has basically all her standard upgrades like the gravity suit, wave/plasma beam, speed booster, etc.

But then Samus Returns adds a whole bunch of new abilities. In addition to her standard abilities she also gets rapid fire beams, lightning armor, and even slowing down time. The downside is she loses her speed booster.

Then there's Dread, which introduces the flash shift, cross bombs, and phantom cloak. The downside is that her armor is still repairing itself and seems a bit more fragile.

So which is the most powerful version of Samus?
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If we're going by in game stats its actually Fusion, hilariously enough. That Samus takes barely any damage from anything and her beam kills everything stupid fast.
 
Dealer said:
If we're going by in game stats its actually Fusion, hilariously enough. That Samus takes barely any damage from anything and her beam kills everything stupid fast.
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Yeah, going by pure game stats, I can see that.

You can clearly compare Fusion Samus to Super Metroid Samus with the SA-X too.

Samus only takes 20 energy damage from the SA-X's power bombs for one. It's also the game where she has the largest amount of expansions.

20 Energy Tanks, 250 Super Diffusion Ice Missiles, and 74 Power Bombs.
 
Dealer said:
If we're going by in game stats its actually Fusion, hilariously enough. That Samus takes barely any damage from anything and her beam kills everything stupid fast.
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Wait what? I distinctly remember Samus being extremely fragile in that game and taking ludicrous amounts of damage. And even with her Fusion gravity suit by the end, she is still distinctly weaker than the SA-X in the Varia suit.
 
Hyperion 2.0 said:
Wait what? I distinctly remember Samus being extremely fragile in that game and taking ludicrous amounts of damage. And even with her Fusion gravity suit by the end, she is still distinctly weaker than the SA-X in the Varia suit.
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Fusion Samus only really takes huge damage from kihunters before gravity suit and the SA-X, plus her charge beam blocks single projectiles. Combine that with 20 e-tanks, and she can facetank for days.

Damagewise, Fusion Samus kills the SA-X in like 4 shots if you do it right, which makes her weapons way more powerful than Super Metroid's.
 
Dealer said:
Fusion Samus only really takes huge damage from kihunters before gravity suit and the SA-X, plus her charge beam blocks single projectiles. Combine that with 20 e-tanks, and she can facetank for days.

Damagewise, Fusion Samus kills the SA-X in like 4 shots if you do it right, which makes her weapons way more powerful than Super Metroid's.
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I was actually thinking of Kihunters specifically, those things are a pain in the ass. But I remember constantly being on low energy even in the later parts of the game, it just seems more difficult in general.

Also how do you kill the SA-X in four shots? I counted one time and it took me like 12!

By the way, I did a test a while back to see how much damage the SA-X does to you in your blue Fusion suit. Remember the scene in the TRO sector where you drop into the top part of a room and the SA-X is walking on the bottom part? If you drop down and fight the SA-X it will immediately hit you with an ice beam then shoot a super missile at you. The ice beam instantly takes off two energy tanks, and the super missile takes off one. Compared to this the power bomb seems hilariously weak, which is interesting.
 
I think the reason for that is simple: It's extremely hard to not be hit by the power bomb in that scene, where it's always considered a player mistake if you get hit by the Ice Beam/Super Missile combo. Of course, in character, the reason that Samus takes more damage is probably due to being part Metroid.
 
NotYourParents said:
I think the reason for that is simple: It's extremely hard to not be hit by the power bomb in that scene, where it's always considered a player mistake if you get hit by the Ice Beam/Super Missile combo. Of course, in character, the reason that Samus takes more damage is probably due to being part Metroid.
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The power bomb does seem to be much more powerful in Dread. Though we don't know exactly how much damage it does to her shields, the red EMMI power bomb visibly staggers Samus and brings her to her knees - temporarily at least, she recovers pretty quickly.
 
As tough as Samus is generally portrayed as being, her most basic power suit has some notable weaknesses. For example, acid, magma, and even superheated magma filled rooms will slowly eat away at her shields. Other M also has some head scratchers, like instantly dying to an avalanche.

A reviewer I like, The Geek Critique, sardonically commented in a review of Other M that "the power suit can survive massive explosions and crushing underwater depths, but being buried under snow? That's the one thing the Chozo never considered."
 
Hyperion 2.0 said:
As tough as Samus is generally portrayed as being, her most basic power suit has some notable weaknesses. For example, acid, magma, and even superheated magma filled rooms will slowly eat away at her shields. Other M also has some head scratchers, like instantly dying to an avalanche.
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I'll chalk that one up to gameplay and story segregation.
 
Does anyone else think the location names in Metroid Dread are kinda strange? Like, a name like Crateria makes sense, because it's on the surface and covered with craters - something like that. Brinstar, Norfair, Maridia, Phendrana, I don't know if these names have meanings but they sound memorable.

But what is Artaria supposed to mean?
 
Status Update:

Metroid Prime 2: I've reached Sanctuary Fortress.

Metroid Prime 3: I'm past Bryyo and now in Sky Town.

Which is pretty neat, since both of these areas fully showcase both societies' technology when building advanced settlements. It's pretty much the only time we ever see a non-Mawkin Chozo settlement with their level of tech on fully display, rather than it hidden away in stone statues and temples.

Both the Luminoth and Chozo like to keep things a bit humble, but it's cool to see they have highly advanced settlements as well. Sanctuary Fortress is a skyscraper/mountain of tech overlooking an entire cityscape. And Skytown is the only thing you could call a Chozo city we've ever seen I believe.

It's interesting to compare the two. The Chozo in their past sure loved their steampunk aesthetic, while the Luminoth went full "the Future is Neon." ...Well, they are giant moth people, so it fits.
 
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