I think Yamato was angry as she just asked them to block up the Panama Canal. And they went just a wee bit father than what she intended. Now all her plans to use then are likely picturing mushroom clouds and Kongo cackling like a maniac and she's getting grey hairs from the nightmares.
Rising Sun (Code Geass/Arpeggio Of Blue Steel SI)
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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To be fair to Mr. "All Hail Brittania!" they don't really know the capabilities of what they are going up against. That will change.
Mandabar
Waifu of choice is Rem. Give that girl some hugs!
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Oh hey, this updated again. I've forgotten everything about this other than a gendershifted quasi insert at the start. Hmm, not the one where they start off with tiny amounts of nanomaterial and make a tank one. That's probably the Einsig's one.
Well I await more, thanks Gideon!
Now to reread.
Well I await more, thanks Gideon!
Now to reread.
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Well, if Britannia starts putting enormous efforts in to reacquiring naval dominance, those are all resources it can't be spending elsewhere in ground warfare against its peer opponents.
And sadly for them they can't afford to not put in that area, because they are a far flung empire spread across oceans. Thus dominance atleast some oceans is imperative for them. In comparison the other players are far more landlocked and thus obviously won't really care about the problems Britannia now faces, well not beyond how it helps them out.
Aside of this at this point the population is probably starting to panic, the latest strike is simply to extreme to feel safe any more. Clearly their military is on the back foot and can not be expected to protect even important coastal areas if the enemy is determined to strike at them. And considering how many people live near the coast, that means a lot of people worried about if they'll be next. I'm sure the media is having a heyday on the matter.
So in that respect Britannia needs successes, preferably sooner rather then later. Before 'obviously' further important maritime coastal infrastructure is hit. There are for instance only a few extremely important ports on the American West Coast for instance, an extremely obvious target would be the San Francisco Bay with its large protected bay area. But due to that is also some what more easily fortified... I guess other major port cities, especially naval ones will be seeing what ever kind of reinforcing and protecting they can do for it. Laying minefields come to mind for instance, more and better equipped military units, better detection equipment.
In summary there will be a lot semi-panicked reactions drawing resources towards the sea and reinforcing American ports for now, with obvious mid to long term knock-on effects for land bound efforts around the world.
And sadly for them they can't afford to not put in that area, because they are a far flung empire spread across oceans. Thus dominance atleast some oceans is imperative for them. In comparison the other players are far more landlocked and thus obviously won't really care about the problems Britannia now faces, well not beyond how it helps them out.
Aside of this at this point the population is probably starting to panic, the latest strike is simply to extreme to feel safe any more. Clearly their military is on the back foot and can not be expected to protect even important coastal areas if the enemy is determined to strike at them. And considering how many people live near the coast, that means a lot of people worried about if they'll be next. I'm sure the media is having a heyday on the matter.
So in that respect Britannia needs successes, preferably sooner rather then later. Before 'obviously' further important maritime coastal infrastructure is hit. There are for instance only a few extremely important ports on the American West Coast for instance, an extremely obvious target would be the San Francisco Bay with its large protected bay area. But due to that is also some what more easily fortified... I guess other major port cities, especially naval ones will be seeing what ever kind of reinforcing and protecting they can do for it. Laying minefields come to mind for instance, more and better equipped military units, better detection equipment.
In summary there will be a lot semi-panicked reactions drawing resources towards the sea and reinforcing American ports for now, with obvious mid to long term knock-on effects for land bound efforts around the world.
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StatelessGem
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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Yep, if memory serves they're currently pushing into Europe and Africa at this point. This sudden shift in focus along with the soon to be halting of Japanese sakuradite export (Youko and Yuzuki are intending to stop that cold) Britannian expansions are going to stall out badly.
Another fun fact about the upcoming battle between the Brits and Fog. What do all those ships, Knightmares and any research project results have in common? They'll all use Sakuradite in one form or another because of it's energy density along with superconducting properties etc.
Now recall that project the SI had been working on and tested (successfuly) at Pearl:
The Britannian retaliation force is going to go up with an earth-shaking kaboom.
If necessary I suppose, though there are plenty of alternate methods one could likely employ. Heck, one could build a nuke if one really wanted to.
Well I suppose as far as Britannia is concerned they are now at war with an unknown power which can use nano machines. After all, just because they might be able to do this all automatically doesn't mean they did... Some one could have found it and then set it loose on them with a relevant directive.
Chaos Blade
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Worse, they'll be facing a tactically competent (or at least passable) Fleet of Fog.... it is going to be very bad for them
Generalissimo
Generalissimo of SufficientVelocity
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I fully expect Lloyd eventually to make a souped up mega Portman capable of being a threat.
Re-allocation of resources produce such a Knightmare guarantees Britannia won't be invading other powers anytime soon?
Well let me sketch the scenario to you assuming the USA that still owns Panama.
Now imagine how it would be for a citizen of the USA to hear that an entire fleet got wiped, then increasingly shipping in the Pacific starts getting taken out with no on even knowing who it is. And then on live TV Hawaii with all military forces gets wiped out making the Japanese invasion look like a cheap knock-off by comparison. And then as an overwhelming encore that don't just destroy the Panama canal, they utterly obliterate it with quite some collateral.
In such a case would you feel reassured if the government proposes they'll build one super knightmare to deal with this threat? Or would one be either be panicking or so pissed off that one pretty much demands a massive military counter operation to destroy this enemy once and for all right now, before they start ripping up who knows how much more of the ports, coast, heck, maybe even erase cities? After all, they clearly are capable of that.
Heck, do you think the military would accept anything but massive reprisal actions to any level including war economy scales of effort to destroy this threat? (After 9/11 a far lesser event, I think it's pretty obvious what everyone's opinion would be)
This is why I think it will hamper operations elsewhere, because Britannia attention has suddenly been forced to face an unexpected and major threat that can not be ignored with out major societal consequences.
If you start fortifying your homelands and massively increasing sea warfare efforts, then you have less money/resources for your previous wars elsewhere.
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Chaos Blade
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Well, we'd need to know what is a Fleet to Britannians, because to the USN a fleet is an administrative structure, that is to say any ship in the pacific Theater is part of the Pacific fleet. Loosing the Pacific Fleet, in those terms is completely brutal
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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I'll believe that when I see the author of this story writing it.
Such a knightmare would require super-cavitating torpedoes (normal ones are too slow and would simply get shot) and a warhead that is actually powerful enough to do any amount of damage to a Fog's Klein field. Also you'd need to somehow make the thing able to survive within the engagement zone of a Fog ship which is far from simple. Sure Hadron cannons might start doing enough damage to worry destroyers and maybe light cruisers but will requires Rakshata's tech in order to work properly. And she is not handing those designs out to the Brits.
i think the issue is that they inadvertently showed too much, before hand everything they have done while detrimental, the scale of it was something Brittania can at least tell them selves that they can survive the ordeal. Now though with the destruction of panama they have elevated them selves from a strategic threat to an existential one. the question every one is asking is no longer "how can we regain control of the Pacific" but rather "how can we ensure our survival"
menosay
Quietly laughing at nothing in particular.
She may also just possibly be kind of upset at the massive loss of civilian life that wouldn't of happened if the plan had been followed properly. Unless I'm miss-remembering and the pseudo-SI is a lot more sociopathic than I think she is.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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- Canada
50/50 between your and khang's idea is my opinion. Yes, the SI has morals and doesn't like pointless slaughter/mass murder but she is a Mental Model now. I'd be surprised if there aren't some changes in how her mind works.
Huh so we have a pacificfleet that is pulling double duty....when will we see Bismarck and the Atlantic fleet
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I can think of several reasons.
1) It's not just a case of things not going perfectly. They weren't exactly functioning on a tight deadline here; they easily could have contacted Youko instead of figuring out a new plan on their own, especially when the new plan was potentially high-casualty and they were explicitly ordered to minimize human deaths. While not necessarily a reason for anger in-and-of-itself, their blase attitude about it -- "Yeah we disobeyed orders, but we completed the objective so I don't see why you should care" -- is not how you should respond to a reprimand from your CO.
2) Public Opinion of the fleet. PR may not seem like it should be important, but on the scale of something like the Panama attack it can be. If attacks like this one -- killing humans in the five-digit range with minimal effort or warning -- becomes a trend, well... Currently they're only facing off against Britannia, which is all their orders say they should be doing. If they start racking up a six-digit kill-count and committing atrocities left and right, that's going to change. It might not result in the entire world teaming up against them, but at the very least the other nations would likely agree to a ceasefire so that Britannia could free up their resources. Yes the Fleet would probably still win, but they gained a lot less here than what they'd lose in PR long-term if this became a trend. Best to nip it in the bud here than allow them to think that massive death tolls are acceptable as standard procedure.
3) It tips their hand. This is far more firepower than they've previously displayed -- in fact it's only their second public, quantifiable display of strength. The original plan wouldn't have displayed much more of their capabilities than the attack on Pearl Harbor did.
4) While Yamato may be programmed not to value human life, she still feels that she should (hence the order to minimize casualties in the first place).
Anyway, glad to see this back.
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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Speaking of which, the SI's name isn't internally consistent with the Yamato-class and that bugs the shit out of me
There were jet fighters seen during the summary of the Japan invasion. After that, fighters were never seen again.
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Ok, read everything from start to finish (with the customary likebombs ahoy! 
) and now I know the current events that have happened at the beginning. I do hope that next time the Flotilla won't go Insano Escalato at the Suez Canal, though fingers are crossed on that matter. p
) and now I know the current events that have happened at the beginning. I do hope that next time the Flotilla won't go Insano Escalato at the Suez Canal, though fingers are crossed on that matter. p
jwolfe_beta
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Well of course, they came up with Knightmares that could (sort-of) fly. Such things are obviously far superior in air battles than specialized platforms (IE actual planes) with the same technological advanced installed.
Re casualties:
If Pearl was as thorough as described, I would be considering low to mid five-figure range.
Panama, on the other hand, would likely be in the low millions, with additional thousands to tens of thousands in the aftermath. You need a LOT of people to maintain the canal, and when you combine this with the fact that both ends are maritime choke points, cities are pretty much inevitably going to rise at both ends.
Take a look at the major strategic bombing campaigns of WWII, put two or three cities together, and adjust for another 30-40 years of population growth. Add in everyone in the ships, and several small-medium towns in the area, and you are starting to see the picture.
If Pearl was as thorough as described, I would be considering low to mid five-figure range.
Panama, on the other hand, would likely be in the low millions, with additional thousands to tens of thousands in the aftermath. You need a LOT of people to maintain the canal, and when you combine this with the fact that both ends are maritime choke points, cities are pretty much inevitably going to rise at both ends.
Take a look at the major strategic bombing campaigns of WWII, put two or three cities together, and adjust for another 30-40 years of population growth. Add in everyone in the ships, and several small-medium towns in the area, and you are starting to see the picture.
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