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stratigo said:
And any incel media is bad. Shield hero should not exist.
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You know what, I actually do agree with this bolded format.

But you know what? It exists anyway. you can't just wave a magic wand and make it go away. you don't have the power to ban it on any platform or destroy every trace of it.

So.... it seems a tad unhealthy to be obsessing over how horrible it is when you can't do anything about it other than critique how bad it is. Especially when you get to the point of over-exaggerating the cultural impact it might have on people, making it out to be some extremely powerful brainwashing incel propaganda that magically turns both men AND women into incels. That's just too much, you know?

It's not going to end up being an anime classic that everyone keeps on going back to. It's no Sailor Moon, It's no Cowboy Behop, it's no Ghost in the Shell, etc.
it's just some shitty flash-in-the-pan popular anime that will eventually get forgotten when something better comes along. In a way, you're actually keeping the hype for it alive... making people want to watch it just to see how bad it is, etc. Is that what you want?

As they say, Even bad press is good press as it'll have all the edgelords flocking to sheild hero to see what the hype is.
 
MediumGatoKatr said:
extreme Stockholm syndrome,
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as an aside, stockholm syndrome isn't actually a thing

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The psychiatrist who invented it, Nils Bejerot, never spoke to the woman he based it on; never bothered to as her why she trusted her captors more than the authorities. More to the point, during the Swedish bank heist that inspired the syndrome, Bejerot was the psychiatrist leading the police response. He was the authority that Kristin Enmark-the first woman diagnosed with Stockholm syndrome-distrusted.
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Aurora Moon said:
You know what, I actually do agree with this bolded format.

But you know what? It exists anyway. you can't just wave a magic wand and make it go away. you don't have the power to ban it on any platform or destroy every trace of it.

So.... it seems a tad unhealthy to be obsessing over how horrible it is when you can't do anything about it other than critique how bad it is. Especially when you get to the point of over-exaggerating the cultural impact it might have on people, making it out to be some extremely powerful brainwashing incel propaganda that magically turns both men AND women into incels. That's just too much, you know?

It's not going to end up being an anime classic that everyone keeps on going back to. It's no Sailor Moon, It's no Cowboy Behop, it's no Ghost in the Shell, etc.
it's just some shitty flash-in-the-pan popular anime that will eventually get forgotten when something better comes along. In a way, you're actually keeping the hype for it alive... making people want to watch it just to see how bad it is, etc. Is that what you want?

As they say, Even bad press is good press as it'll have all the edgelords flocking to sheild hero to see what the hype is.
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The problem is the next anime that comes along will, largely just be another variation on the theme. I mean, Shield Hero has taken the crown from goblinslayer, and, like, is a nastier work, but gblinslayer is all sorts of gross anyways.

I wonder what the next one to take the crown of the gross popular anime will be? "Oh no I've been isekeid into the middle east and now must shoot up all the mosques"? Like, shit, things are not getting better here.
 
Okay. So how do we make this largely known to everyone else? How do we reach the companies and tell them to try making genuinely good stuff instead of just pandering to the lowest demographic for quick money next time?

And most importantly, will they even listen? or will they just be greedy little gits, caring only about the money they'll make?

Incidentally, I've been watching this anime that seems to be sorta the opposite of Shield Hero, if anybody wants a palate refresher to get the taste of sheild hero out of your mouth.
It's a comedy series, one where everyone else in the party bashes the hero for being werid, mentally ill in the head, acting like an asshole etc and the narrative backs them up. The hero himself isn't as bad or as evil as the Shield hero is though, but he does come off as a uncaring jerk-ass hero at times. Hence everyone's reaction to him.
The story doesn't bend over itself to say that the hero is always right. It just states that while the hero's main point he made was good, he still goes about it in a utterly ridiculous, abnormal way.

The title's called "The hero is overly cautious".
 
Aurora Moon said:
Okay. So how do we make this largely known to everyone else? How do we reach the companies and tell them to try making genuinely good stuff instead of just pandering to the lowest demographic for quick money next time?

And most importantly, will they even listen? or will they just be greedy little gits, caring only about the money they'll make?

Incidentally, I've been watching this anime that seems to be sorta the opposite of Shield Hero, if anybody wants a palate refresher to get the taste of sheild hero out of your mouth.
It's a comedy series, one where everyone else in the party bashes the hero for being werid, mentally ill in the head, acting like an asshole etc and the narrative backs them up. The hero himself isn't as bad or as evil as the Shield hero is though, but he does come off as a uncaring jerk-ass hero at times. Hence everyone's reaction to him.
The story doesn't bend over itself to say that the hero is always right. It just states that while the hero's main point he made was good, he still goes about it in a utterly ridiculous, abnormal way.

The title's called "The hero is overly cautious".
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ummm...
I mean sure, it is bound to be like million times better that Shield Hero, but that does prop up some warning flags on my end.
Quick google does make it sound entertaining.
 
he's not actually mentally ill, but they do wonder if he is at times to try to excuse his actions. But then they often find that it's not the case... he's just a weirdo. note, they never explicitly say the words "mentally ill" or anything. they just say things like "sick", etc.
 
Aurora Moon said:
he's not actually mentally ill, but they do wonder if he is at times to try to excuse his actions. But then they often find that it's not the case... he's just a weirdo.
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For those who want a more detailed explanation of this, in the end
its because he was isekai'd before. He ended up watching his party be eaten alive infront of him because he tended to just rush to one fight after the other barely surviving. He doesn't remember it as after being returned to his world his memory of it was wiped but his regret at how things turned out is so strong it subconsiously pushes him to be as paranoid as possible to avoid everyone relying on him from being killed again with one of the first jokes being about expecting the enemy to have the same ability to come back to life after being killed that got him and his friends killed.
 
...Seriously.

What is this writing and justifying Naofumi's characterization with insane plot twists?

At this rate we'll learn that the REAL reason he took Raphtalia is because he is semi-possessed by the ghost of the captain of the Titanic, who had a daughter who looked exactly like her and wanted Nao to protect her.
 
Well given that Malty is literally the demons or something that might be close to the reality of it
 
that's one of the reasons why I can never take it seriously, and why I don't think the author set out to create a incel masterpiece. I think they were just pandering to their audience and then just throwing shit at the wall to see what people liked, etc. and then not really thinking things all the way though what the story was supposed to represent.
 
I thought the pandering was obvious, but whether it was about shilling for otakubux or not, it's still a worrying trend to embrace the sort of hate machine that the incel community has become. That's the biggest point that people are trying to make, albeit very badly.

I forget exactly how the quote goes, but it's something like stupidity being pretty much the same as active malice if it goes far enough. The core elements are still pretty awful. That said, there was problematic stuff before, during, and after Shield Hero and this will continue. I just wish some of the discourse here was less stale, not to discount the people who have had great insight.
 
Aurora Moon said:
that's one of the reasons why I can never take it seriously, and why I don't think the author set out to create a incel masterpiece. I think they were just pandering to their audience and then just throwing shit at the wall to see what people liked, etc. and then not really thinking things all the way though what the story was supposed to represent.
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I'm pretty sure that, like most web novels, the author made it up as they went along.
 
Aurora Moon said:
that's one of the reasons why I can never take it seriously, and why I don't think the author set out to create a incel masterpiece. I think they were just pandering to their audience and then just throwing shit at the wall to see what people liked, etc. and then not really thinking things all the way though what the story was supposed to represent.
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Not sure if anyone thinks that was the intent.
It's just pandering to the audience, that happens to be, if not literally incels, atleast very incel adjacent.
Assuming it does not just reflect the views of the author, whic h is also possible (and it probably does, to some extent, but i would not go too deep into analyzing the author from a single piece of work).
 
Valmond said:
Not sure if anyone thinks that was the intent.
It's just pandering to the audience, that happens to be, if not literally incels, atleast very incel adjacent.
Assuming it does not just reflect the views of the author, whic h is also possible (and it probably does, to some extent, but i would not go too deep into analyzing the author from a single piece of work).
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I don't think the misogyny would be as pronounced if there were strong independent women characters. Not part of Nao-kun's harem, not walking plot devices, but persons with their own goals and character arcs.
 
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    • thread reopened.
    Everyone who was infracted knows the reason why. Let's try to keep things civil in here guys, and avoid the more unnecessary rhetoric in the thread.

    Also, this is a thread to discuss Shield Hero. Not the merits of feminism, or Captain Marvel, or anything of the like. Please keep that in mind and avoid future derails.
     
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    • Shield Hero, the fundamentally deeply misogynistic story about how terrible it is to be falsely accused of rape and how awful and pernicious women are, is, in my opinion, fundamentally impossible to discuss without discussing feminism, if not explicitly than implicitly.
     
    veteranMortal said:
    Shield Hero, the fundamentally deeply misogynistic story about how terrible it is to be falsely accused of rape and how awful and pernicious women are, is, in my opinion, fundamentally impossible to discuss without discussing feminism, if not explicitly than implicitly.
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    We were instructed not to discuss the merits of feminism, not to abandon it as a theoretical framework. We can use or eschew feminism as we wish, but may not critique or defend it as such.
     
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