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Res Publica: A Quest of Ancient Rome

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Jean Danjou said:
Both are lead by very charismatic and ruthless men, who are the main glue of a loose union of highly ambitious, ruthless and arrogant Roman noblemen. And Sulla's party only lasted longer because he died after his main enemies, so he was able to try to solidify his system and allies in the institutions, which promptly fell apart when people (read the Triumvirate) tested it. So yes, if the leader die, the union goes into infighting unless situation is dire enough. It will be a question of time until either Crassus/Pompey/Sertorious/Cinna/Marius the Younger/someone is able to assert himself as the new leader though.
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I have to disagree with you on that for a few points. Sulla's party is composed mostly of the optimates who were the rich aristocratics. Those people tend to band together when the poor or common men rise up. Or when something threatens their position and power. Cinna right now is killing them and stealing there property. The optimates have a real threat against thier lives and money.

The Marian's on the other hand are made up of more opportunistic in nature being new men. They were fracturing before Marius had his heart attack and recovered. Now we have Cinna in Rome murdering his enemies both political and anyone he persevered as one in the past weather they are optimates or not.
 
Nurgle said:
I have to disagree with you on that for a few points. Sulla's party is composed mostly of the optimates who were the rich aristocratics. Those people tend to band together when the poor or common men rise up. Or when something threatens their position and power. Cinna right now is killing them and stealing there property. The optimates have a real threat against thier lives and money.

The Marian's on the other hand are made up of more opportunistic in nature being new men. They were fracturing before Marius had his heart attack and recovered. Now we have Cinna in Rome murdering his enemies both political and anyone he persevered as one in the past weather they are optimates or not.
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Except that after Sulla die they fell apart to bickering and allowed the Triumvirate to rise, Pompey whom they loathed was begged to be their against Caesar (Pompey later on became a populares due to his many many actions to directly appeal the people) and when he died they just fell apart again.

The optimates are also made up of Novus Homus, like Cicero, while the populares also had plenty of very distinguished families like the Cornelii, the Gracchi and etc.

You're thinking too in the box. Roman politics didn't have political parties or fixed lines of any kind. Cato was seen as extraordinary for how consistent and honest to his professed ideas he was. Rome1s politics was incredibly individualistic, fluid and based on personal merit + family history. And both sides used that plenty.
 
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Just a stray thought, didn't Atellus make an acquaintance with the Vestalis Maxima Galeria a few chapters ago? Wouldn't it be a good idea to write to her to cultivate that relationship? I mean she could provide another point of view to the events happening in Rome. Or would keeping in regular contact with a Vestal Virgin stretch the limits of proprietary?
 
Oh, good idea!

Completely different, but I misread your comment as sending letters to that one priestess we let live who is trying (and mostly failing?) to raise up a resistance against us.

...I kind of want to actually. If only because I'm curious if she'll be writing back. Also, frankly, because if we charm her and build a romance out of this it would be hilarious (and give us some more influence over the area).
 
Pensive-Nerves said:
Or would keeping in regular contact with a Vestal Virgin stretch the limits of proprietary?
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At this distance, nah!

Ridiculously Average Guy said:
Also, frankly, because if we charm her and build a romance out of this it would be hilarious (and give us some more influence over the area).
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no no no no! they buried them alive for stuff like that. Not worth it and not something they would even consider.
 
So it just occurred to me that if we're going all-in on Mars themeing...

...we could get a pet wolf. :thonk:

(Or failing that, one of the Molosser type mastiff dogs the Romans loved so much, the kind that would terrify lions in the arena, but were loyal and loving protectors of home and hearth. : 3)

globalwarmth said:
no no no no! they buried them alive for stuff like that. Not worth it and not something they would even consider.
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I don't think Ridiculous meant the Vestal Virgin there, from my reading. Pretty sure he meant our arch-nemesis, the Samnite priestess.

Altho the Samnite priestess would probably legitimately like to kill us in our sleep so uhm, mixed feelings on that one :V
 
Always Late said:
... Ok, you know what? I'm sending you the Rider!Atellus sheet. This is just too good an opening.
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Why Rider, though? Saber might be more appropriate, since (I think) he fights with a sword more often than he rides. Alexander was a Rider because of his chariot/horse right? Atellus doesn't really have any notable mounts yet. Plus Saber is the strongest class
 
Lykantos said:
Why Rider, though? Saber might be more appropriate, since (I think) he fights with a sword more often than he rides. Alexander was a Rider because of his chariot/horse right? Atellus doesn't really have any notable mounts yet. Plus Saber is the strongest class
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Remember: The Throne Of Heroes can pick up people from across time. Including F/Go's 'alternate' timelines.
 
Always Late said:
Remember: The Throne Of Heroes can pick up people from across time. Including F/Go's 'alternate' timelines.
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In my dreams, there is an alternate timeline where Alexander the Great is betrayed by a conspiracy of his generals and Persian satraps, defeated in battle in northern Iran, and goes on to become a Scythian barbarian chieftain, a mercenary captain in the Tocharian city-states, and the king of a new Macedon in Korea after pillaging his way across the Warring States of China, irrevocably changing the fate of the region forever.

One day, if I ever gain enough knowledge of Old Chinese, proto-Korean, Macedonian Greek, and Tocharian grammar, and the societies of 4th century BC Central and East Asia, I will write that story. One day.
 
Die Forelle said:
In my dreams, there is an alternate timeline where Alexander the Great is betrayed by a conspiracy of his generals and Persian satraps, defeated in battle in northern Iran, and goes on to become a Scythian barbarian chieftain, a mercenary captain in the Tocharian city-states, and the king of a new Macedon in Korea after pillaging his way across the Warring States of China, irrevocably changing the fate of the region forever.

One day, if I ever gain enough knowledge of Old Chinese, proto-Korean, Macedonian Greek, and Tocharian grammar, and the societies of 4th century BC Central and East Asia, I will write that story. One day.
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I know more than a few people who would kill to see such story of epic proportions.
 
So just people know we have possibly unlocked 2 things here. Marrying the Gaul Auxillary Commanders daughter. And also possibly applying to be the Governor for that Samnite city we defended from rebels.

Not sure if Vexxiracules is someone important.
 
People have been reading WAY too much into that 'half-joking' marriage proposal.

A marriage to a Gallic chieftain's daughter would be a reasonable notion for some grizzled old pleb centurion with no higher political aspirations than to retire to a farm on conquered land. Totally out of the question for someone like Quintus Atellus who wants to one day become consul.

Veniximaeus, the leader of the Gallic cavalry, is a Gaul of some status and fame among his people, or he couldn't keep up a warband of them as cavalry. But if he were a king or a chieftain of great status, what's he doing running around the Italian peninsula fighting for Roman gold?
 
Lord Hater said:
So just people know we have possibly unlocked 2 things here. Marrying the Gaul Auxillary Commanders daughter. And also possibly applying to be the Governor for that Samnite city we defended from rebels.

Not sure if Vexxiracules is someone important.
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sigh that is not happening for any foreigners daughter/sister/female relation. It is currently illegal and any children are not Roman citizens but wicked foreigners who will corrupt the virtuous youth of Rome.
 
Lets not dismiss the foreign girl off hand. Might serve us well as a contingency if things go South in Rome (and we have to move North). A consolation epilogue along the lines of "... and Atellus saw that to stay in Rome would be suicide, because he had made too many powerful enemies. So he fled to Gaul and married his friend's daughter. And he lived happily ever after."

Well, otl Caesar came, saw and won in Gaul a few decades later, but maybe he'll attack elsewhere just to spite that Pompey guy who obviously wants to settle unfinished business with us.
 
Nah, lets marry Rich!
Someone loaded and that can manage such finances. She'll be the backbone and we the spear that pierces heaven.
 
Ok guys before you get all defeated and talk. Being exiled or running/fleeing is the norm. Crassus is currently in Spain because he had to flee for his life. Otl Caeser ran but was back two years later after SULLA left. Pompey had to flee with the senate. Cicero had to flee had his property confiscated. I can go on, but fleeing Rome is not end for Atellus unless he does something stupid like marry someone below him or any foreigner.
 
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