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Renegade Incubator Quest (PMMM)

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Oriko's not on the list.

That could mean this is a timelime right after Oriko Magica, just when Homura still has her hard-on against O&K and is going around killing them at the start of every timeline just to be sure. If so, Kirika just might disappear soon.

[X] Higure

Plan Renars has us trying to contact Homura when she's most likely isn't stable. I'd rather not get shot.
 
Hannz said:
just when Homura still has her hard-on against O&K and is going around killing them at the start of every timeline just to be sure
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Is this canon, or plausible fanon (plausible since it explains O&K not showing up during the main timeline)?
 
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Renars said:
2. @Spectral Waltz can we write what to say AND what actions to take? I mean you won't write only what we write, but something else as well, right?
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Yeah you can write in actions as well, if a vote gets too insane I may veto it or ask it to be toned down but yeah, the nature of a write in is that you get to make up the details yourself.

Hannz said:
That could mean this is a timelime right after Oriko Magica, just when Homura still has her hard-on against O&K and is going around killing them at the start of every timeline just to be sure. If so, Kirika just might disappear soon.
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Well... A wiki tells me that Oriko contracted on the 16th, 9 days before this quest started. However, nothing has been terribly clear on when Kirika contracted, only that it was some time after Oriko. And we know at least in part that the events of Oriko magica do take place alongside the events of Madoka. So (hoping this isn't wrong) I thought it might make sense that Kirika could potentially have not contracted yet, though in the normal timeline she would be contracting soon.

If Oriko hadn't contracted yet she would be on the list in the top ten, second or third position at least.

Today is day two of the con, so I'm not gonna be closing the votes any time soon. However, I will throw a tally in here so y'all can see how things are going.

Interesting plans so far...
Adhoc vote count started by Spectral Waltz on Aug 5, 2017 at 8:56 PM, finished with 79 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] Plan Slow Start
    -[x] Say Something
    --[x] (Sayaka, Madoka, Mami) "As important experience and knowledge is, you should be cautious. As far as I've witnessed Universe has a tendency to 'play cruel jokes' at most unexpected moments. Might I suggest asking Homura-chan as backup to avoid the 'punch line'? And no, Sayaka, she is just emotional child worried about .. ones she cares. Stress – everyone deals with it in their own unique ways... And we stumbled at her 'bad day'." Jump on the table, shortly listen to their arguments, but interrupt them before thing go too heated .... "All I ask is to consider a possibility: she is precise, skilled, and might work well with you Mami. As human saying goes: 'don't judge book by it's cover'. Definitely applies to her, trust me".
    -[x] Go out and locate Homura, cause new Kubs, different thought, priorities and all that Jazz.
    --[x] When you "feel" her location, find a good hiding place (preferably like a box or trash can: a place that completely hides Kyubey's body and place Homura won't look) and contact her:
    --[x] "Homura! We need to talk ASAP, like right now gurl!" ... "Wait! We can stop Walpurgisnacht, save Madoka!!"
    -[x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
    [x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.
    -[x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Stay safe. Have a good night!
    [x] Go try and find Oriko.
    [x] Elsa Maria
    [x] null
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I'm thinking we should probably start by making sure Mami stays as safe as she can. This is a fluff quest, but this a risky point in it. We want to help, but we don't want to give ourselves away too early.


[x] Say Something
-[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
-[x] To Mami, privately: There is a significant increase in casualty rates when civilians are brought into the Witch's Barrier. Those rates decrease markedly when multiple Magical Girls are present; I suggest bringing another Magical Girl along. Perhaps Akemi Homura?
--[x] Prepare to counter Mami's protests that she killed you by reminding her that you are not dead.
[x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.
 
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rolling-the-dice said:
-[X] To all three of them (Write in): "Prepare yourselves for tomorrow, girls. If you join Mami tomorrow and then decide to go through with becoming a magical girl, be ready to make a wish. Think hard about what you want; some magical girls can find themselves regretting their wishes later on, having wished for something hoping it would result in what they actually wanted."
-[X] Wait until you can catch one alone (Mami): "I was hoping to speak with you in private. I feel like tomorrow's outing might be very good to help these girls understand what they're getting into, but it might be tough for you to take care of them on your own. If you can, perhaps you should find another magical girl to support you on this outing? It'll be tough to manage them both by yourself. You're capable, Mami, but if you get distracted, someone might get hurt, including you. Having someone else to support you might mitigate that risk. Any thoughts on that?"
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If you're going for the "stealth route" then you should definitely avoid the word "feel", or indeed any hint that you do have feelings, hunches, etc. The Incubators are unable to feel emotions, and are indeed quite vocal about that fact; if you suddenly reverse course on that Mami and Homura are sure to notice quickly that something's different. We really need to show Homura that things are definitively looking better, before we let her cotton on to why they're better.
 
TheEyes said:
If you're going for the "stealth route" then you should definitely avoid the word "feel", or indeed any hint that you do have feelings, hunches, etc. The Incubators are unable to feel emotions, and are indeed quite vocal about that fact; if you suddenly reverse course on that Mami and Homura are sure to notice quickly that something's different. We really need to show Homura that things are definitively looking better, before we let her cotton on to why they're better.
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Alright, thanks for the tip. Altered it slightly.
 
rolling-the-dice said:
-[X] To all three of them (Write in): "Prepare yourselves for tomorrow, girls. If you join Mami tomorrow and then decide to go through with becoming a magical girl, be ready to make a wish. Think hard about what you want; some magical girls can find themselves regretting their wishes later on, having wished for something hoping it would result in what they actually wanted."
-[X] Wait until you can catch one alone (Mami): "I was hoping to speak with you in private. Tomorrow's outing will help these girls understand what they're getting into, but it will be tough for you to take care of them on your own. If you can, perhaps you should find another magical girl to support you on this outing? It'll be tough to manage them both by yourself. You're capable, Mami, but if you get distracted, someone could get hurt, including you. Having someone else to support you might mitigate that risk. Any thoughts on that?"
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Hm. Still a little heavy on the feels; you're showing an intuitive grasp of emotional heuristics that the Incubators are very explicitly not capable of.

That said, your vote is actually very similar to simply adding on to @Higure's, so maybe consider just adding straight-on to his, like so:

[x] Say Something
-[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
-[x] To Mami, privately: There is a significant increase in casualty rates when civilians are brought into the Witch's Barrier. Those rates decrease markedly when multiple Magical Girls are present; I suggest bringing another Magical Girl along. Perhaps Akemi Homura?
--[x] Prepare to counter Mami's protests that she killed you by reminding her that you are not dead.
[x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.

Something along those lines anyway.
 
TheEyes said:
Hm. Still a little heavy on the feels; you're showing an intuitive grasp of emotional heuristics that the Incubators are very explicitly not capable of.

That said, your vote is actually very similar to simply adding on to @Higure's, so maybe consider just adding straight-on to his, like so:

[x] Say Something
-[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
-[x] To Mami, privately: There is a significant increase in casualty rates when civilians are brought into the Witch's Barrier. Those rates decrease markedly when multiple Magical Girls are present; I suggest bringing another Magical Girl along. Perhaps Akemi Homura?
--[x] Prepare to counter Mami's protests that she killed you by reminding her that you are not dead.
[x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.

Something along those lines anyway.
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Alright, done.
 
The anime convention is wonderful, votes will probably be closing once I get home in around 4 or 5 hours.

I feel I shouldn't need to say this, but given the sheer variety of plans discussed so far, I will say it anyways. Take your time, think about your plan, remember that every time you act, the butterflies start to flap their wings.

Choose your path forward wisely...
 
[x] Say Something
-[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
-[x] To Mami, privately: There is a significant increase in casualty rates when civilians are brought into the Witch's Barrier. Those rates decrease markedly when multiple Magical Girls are present; I suggest bringing another Magical Girl along. Perhaps Akemi Homura?
--[x] Prepare to counter Mami's protests that she killed you by reminding her that you are not dead.
[x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.

This sounds good. I'll roll with it.
 
Alright well it has been a bit longer than planned, and I probably won't finish rewriting tonight, but VOTES CLOSED.
Adhoc vote count started by Spectral Waltz on Aug 7, 2017 at 3:34 AM, finished with 89 posts and 14 votes.
  • -[x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
    [x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.
    -[x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
    -[x] To Mami, privately: There is a significant increase in casualty rates when civilians are brought into the Witch's Barrier. Those rates decrease markedly when multiple Magical Girls are present; I suggest bringing another Magical Girl along. Perhaps Akemi Homura?
    --[x] Prepare to counter Mami's protests that she killed you by reminding her that you are not dead.
    [x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.
    [X] Plan Slow Start
    -[x] Say Something
    --[x] (Sayaka, Madoka, Mami) "As important experience and knowledge is, you should be cautious. As far as I've witnessed Universe has a tendency to 'play cruel jokes' at most unexpected moments. Might I suggest asking Homura-chan as backup to avoid the 'punch line'? And no, Sayaka, she is just emotional child worried about .. ones she cares. Stress – everyone deals with it in their own unique ways... And we stumbled at her 'bad day'." Jump on the table, shortly listen to their arguments, but interrupt them before thing go too heated .... "All I ask is to consider a possibility: she is precise, skilled, and might work well with you Mami. As human saying goes: 'don't judge book by it's cover'. Definitely applies to her, trust me".
    -[x] Go out and locate Homura, cause new Kubs, different thought, priorities and all that Jazz.
    --[x] When you "feel" her location, find a good hiding place (preferably like a box or trash can: a place that completely hides Kyubey's body and place Homura won't look) and contact her:
    --[x] "Homura! We need to talk ASAP, like right now gurl!" ... "Wait! We can stop Walpurgisnacht, save Madoka!!"
    -[x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Stay safe. Have a good night!
    [x] Go try and find Oriko.
    [x] Elsa Maria
    -[x] Say Something
    -[X] To all three of them (Write in): "Prepare yourselves for tomorrow, girls. If you join Mami tomorrow and then decide to go through with becoming a magical girl, be ready to make a wish. Think hard about what you want; some magical girls can find themselves regretting their wishes later on, having wished for something hoping it would result in what they actually wanted."
    -[X] Wait until you can catch one alone (Mami): "I was hoping to speak with you in private. I feel like tomorrow's outing might be very good to help these girls understand what they're getting into, but it might be tough for you to take care of them on your own. If you can, perhaps you should find another magical girl to support you on this outing? It'll be tough to manage them both by yourself. You're capable, Mami, but if you get distracted, someone might get hurt, including you. Having someone else to support you might mitigate that risk. Any thoughts on that?"
    [X] Stay here with Mami
    [X] Check the database.
    [x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.
    -[X] Look through that list of potential magical girls again. See if you can get further details on the first few entries in the list. Focus on those with the highest potential.
    [x] null
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    • [x] Say Something
    -[x] To all three of them (Write in): Mami's right. The lives of Magical Girls aren't easy ones, and the demands of the job are great. Magical Girls who make a Wish that isn't what they truly desire inevitably regret it, so be sure before you do it.
    [x] Check your knowledge base for known ways of harvesting energy and their efficacy.

    "A moment if you please?"

    After having been silent for much of the remainder of the discussion after your little episode the girls are startled to see you pad up behind them as Mami sees them out the door. You give Madoka and Sayaka a solemn look, or at least you try to since your face seems determined to twist into that cutely bland smile when you aren't paying attention to it, like some sort of horrifying reverse resting bitch face.

    You cut that train of thought off as Sayaka tilts her head. "Neh Kyubey... You sure you're alright?"

    "Quite sure... I just have to tell you one thing before you go." It is difficult to hit that appropriate note of solemnity for what you are about to say while still keeping up that 'default' tone but you do your best. "The life of a magical girl isn't easy and the job you are asked to perform is demanding. Magical girls who make wishes that aren't what they truly desire inevitably end up with regrets, so think carefully, and be sure that you know what you want before you do it."

    A moment of silence follows your pronouncement. Madoka looks thoughtful, while Sayaka looks slightly taken aback, though the latter rallies faster than the former. "Yosh! Not to worry! I'll be sure to think super carefully on it!" Madoka nods too. "We'll be sure to think carefully. Good night Kyubey, Mami-san."

    The door closes behind them, and for a few minutes there is a pleasant silence, or well... Relatively pleasant anyways. While you listen to Mami bustling about cleaning up the remnants of the little tea party you decide to try and actively dip into this knowledge pool you seem to have in your head.

    ...in effect, any being with this 7th dimensional structure (see: SOUL) within them is capable of producing energy from nothing, thus allowing for the reversal of entropy. However, two issues present themselves. First and most important is that the three-dimensional forms of these beings create shells around their SOUL preventing it from exerting significant force on the known universe. Thus a container that can allow the SOUL to remain coherent within our universe yet does not block it's interactions with our universe is necessary in order to unlock it's energy-producing potential.

    The second issue is that while the SOUL can interact with the outside world once freed of it's body. The mind is still necessary in order to stimulate energy production. We have determined that this is due to a curious quality of SOUL-bearing life forms wherein their SOULs interact with their minds to generate something they call 'emotions'. The entanglement that results from the production of 'emotions' is what allows the mind to unleash the power of the soul into this world when appropriately prepared. However, entanglement often ceases to function at even relatively insignificant dista-

    "Kyubey-san?"

    You jump slightly, looking up at a crouching Mami Tomoe as she kneels down next to you, looking worried. "You can tell me if something is wrong, right? After you were acting weird earlier..."

    Seems she's still a little hung up on that earlier huh... You suppose she is supposed to have known the incubator for a while right?

    What do you tell her?
    [] It was nothing important.
    -[] If it was important, I promise you would be first to know.
    [] Remain Silent.
    [] Say something else (Write-in)

    Afterwards? Mami is going to bed soon... How do you want to spend the night? Do you even need sleep? (Choose 2)
    [] Keep Mami company, play up the cat part of bunnycat and snuggle her at least until she falls asleep.
    [] Contact Homura (Write in what you say)
    [] Teach Madoka and Sayaka about Meguca telepathy before they go to bed.
    [] Just read some more from your little brain knowledge thing (Write in up to 3 topics to study)
    [] Go out and investigate some of the potential candidates on your earlier list. (Write in up to 3 names)
    [] Write in...


    1. Madoka Kaname (Handle with Care, Extremely High Potential)
    2. Kanon Miyashiro
    3. Mitsuru Bella
    4. Sayaka Miki
    5. Nagisa Momoe
    6. Kirika Kure (Caution Advised)
    7. Misa Yamashiro
    8. Kita Nakahara
    9. Chiaki Maita
    10. Chitose Yuma (Caution Advised)
     
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    • [X] Admit that you're not too sure yourself. However, say that you'll let her know at once when you've figured things out.

    [X] Keep Mami company and act as you usually do.
    [X] Go out and investigate some of the potential candidates on your earlier list. (Write in up to 3 names)
    -[X] Kirika Kure
    -[X] Kanon Miyashiro
    -[X] Chitose Yuma

    No need to act weirdly around Mami, but we do need to spend time with her. We just have to keep the signs of the change low-key instead of advertising it everywhere and everywhen.

    Also, investigate Kirika so we can know about Oriko. That, and Kyoko through Yuma. I actually have no idea who Kanon is, but she's #2 on the list so she could be important.
     
    [X] It was nothing important.
    [X] Keep Mami company, play up the cat part of bunnycat and snuggle her at least until she falls asleep.
    [X] Teach Madoka and Sayaka about Meguca telepathy before they go to bed.
     
    @Spectral Waltz Exposition, but it's nice how you also got the casts interaction with Kyubey. Especially his/its(?) reaction, makes it really like human that tries to be "less Incubator" while pretending to be an Incubator... if that makes any sense...

    Huh, this might actually be a problem. I know that quantum mechanics more or less confirms 11 dimensions but the fact our minds interact with quantum probability classified as "SOUL"....

    So the witches are a form of "materialised soul" that interacts with this reality through their "Labyrinths". Their erratic behaviour and actions can be explained that human Mind (that's build for 3-d) can't comprehend 7 dimensional world-view so it "fractures" and end result are classic 'mindless' witches and familiars. So what is Grief and how does it.... energy?
    - Puella Magia by existing, feeling emotions and using their "magic" (quantum energy/matter interactions) "creates" additional energy that Incubator made Soul Gems store as "leftover Grief" that in time (without Secondary containers Grief Seeds) overwhelm mind-soul entanglement causing insanity and witching out?

    If we consider this as a working model then.... hmmm, conflict (physical and emotional) causes to accelerate the production of 'leftover' energy...
    I think there's a solution that I'm missing... Anything to add?

    Anyway about the vote:

    [ ] "In truth? I don't know exactly what's the problem, but it's nothing major. When I find what's wring, I'll let her know at once"

    [ ] Keep Mami company, play up the cat part of bunnycat and snuggle her at least until she falls asleep.
    [ ] Contact Homura
    -[ ] "Homura Akemi. I have gained some information concerning one of your classmates, the implications are.... worrisome. Due to your anomalous status I wanted to discuss what it might imply" if she tries to cut off stop her with: "It's about Madoka and why she should NEVER contract. Please"
     
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    So the witches are a form of "materialised soul" that interacts with this reality through their "Labyrinths". Their erratic behaviour and actions can be explained that human Mind (that's build for 3-d) can't comprehend 7 dimensional world-view so it "fractures" and end result are classic 'mindless' witches and familiars. So what is Grief and how does it.... energy?
    - Puella Magia by existing, feeling emotions and using their "magic" (quantum energy/matter interactions) "creates" additional energy that Incubator made Soul Gems store as "leftover Grief" that in time (without Secondary containers Grief Seeds) overwhelm mind-soul entanglement causing insanity and witching out?
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    Mostly? I spent a while thinking about how to put together a semi-scientific model of why the energy production works the way it does. Basically, the soul is a higher dimensional bundle of stuff that entangles with the human mind. However, the human body overlapping with the soul to contain it prevents it from interacting with our standard perceivable dimensions. The soul gem removes that limitation by placing the soul in a less restrictive container.

    That said, while this interaction allows the creation of energy from nothing, it still produces waste, which can build up within the soul. While normally that waste would simply remain contained along with the soul inside a human body, with the soul removed from the body, the same vessel that allows the soul to express itself in the lower dimensions also has an inherently weaker means of containment and no way of venting excess waste naturally beyond interaction with grief seeds. Thus, too much buildup causes the containment to fail, subsequently create a witch and barrier.

    I dunno if that was exactly what you were getting at, but that's the take on it I'm aiming for in this quest. Basically, the reason the cycle exists as it is is because defying entropy requires use of magic. Use of magic requires a soul gem. Use of a soul gem requires grief seeds to prevent creation of witches but also witches are the only way to get grief seeds.

    That's what you know for now, I just didn't want to write out the entire article because I felt it would run a tad long and be unpleasantly dry to read.
     
    [X] Admit that you're not too sure yourself. However, say that you'll let her know at once when you've figured things out.

    [X] Keep Mami company and act as you usually do.
    [X] Go out and investigate some of the potential candidates on your earlier list. (Write in up to 3 names)
    -[X] Kirika Kure
    -[X] Kanon Miyashiro
    -[X] Chitose Yuma
     
    [X] "The network is malfunctioning. My brethren and I are usually in constant contact...think of it like the internet. We share what we learn and what's happening around us, so we can coordinate. My connection just failed. It is problematic, but...I am unharmed."

    Explains our freakout. Explains some changes in behavior.

    [X] Keep Mami company, play up the cat part of bunnycat and snuggle her at least until she falls asleep.

    Sorry, gotta take care of her.

    [X] Just read some more from your little brain knowledge thing (Write in up to 3 topics to study)
    -[X] Past Research on Grief Extraction
    -[X] Alternative Soul Gem Designs. Hypothetical or existent.
    -[X] Information in Tomoe Mami

    Fluffy endings require a new means of energy collection be developed, and keeping our cover means knowing how to interact with Mami...our personal history with her, partucularly.
     
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