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Redshift (OTL/The Long March worldmerge)

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Also what is life like in each of the superstates
Also are there hardliners that want to invade both the pdis and Freedonia and please give us a small timeline of what happened after 1991 that got us to this? And will Japan-korea have a Yugoslavia type situation because of the description it sounds like it's going to end bloody
 
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Vagarcia by beloved. Surely no single land could contain me, let us travel all the paths of this bright bold world of wonder together and free.
 
Bharat, just so I can see a vision of India fulfilled that isn't complete ass. I know I'm not seeing the 'motherland' do that IRL anytime soon. Holy shit I fucking hate this place and yet its home all the same.
 
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Glorious. I've been watching this post grow into this beauty for a long while now, and it's nice to see it blossom at last.

As I've said before, what makes the Redshift communist societies different from other attempts to write utopias is that they're in motion: some like the territories of the former African Socialist Union are stable, others like the People's Union of China are partway through their transformations and move with urgency, and others still like the USASR stand at a crossroads needing to change but uncertain as to how.

I recall a line about how Marx didn't view the victory of communism as the End of History, but the end of man's barbaric prehistory and the start of a real history with humanity in control of it's destiny, and that is what Redshift portrays: not a moment where all questions are answered and history comes to a full stop, but where humanity is in a position to try to answer the questions they hadn't been free to do so previously and to ask yet more questions that no one would have thought to ask before. In my view, that is something more glorious and wonderful than all the simplistic hopes for simply noting that post scarcity had been achieved through technological developments with no change or need to change afterwards.
 
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Where would the glide occur TTL? I think it would be cool if at least initially, the sole "region" for traversing across worlds is in the EEZ/territorial waters of The Republic of Cuba.
 
zezia said:
I think there is a real possibility that many leftist in OTL would pull up stakes and just move to the RS TL. Why bother trying to improve your shitty country when everything you could possibly want is right there.
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No matter how accommodating the Comintern is, most people prefer staying in familiar environments if they can help it. It's why even in our world in countries where people are unhappy and can generally afford to move elsewhere, they don't want to go through the trouble of moving and settling down for potentially better prospects (beyond the language barrier). I also think that people migrating may also have the knock-on effect of siphoning precious labor power away from the States along with those immigrants telling friends and family back home about better conditions. At some point, people are going to ask why do they need to uproot themselves from their homes for the possibility of a better life when the parasites who keep things from getting better are, as demonstrated, hardly invincible?
 
I'd take Brazil. I'm not much of an artist, but artists need someone to ooh and aah over their work! The way the cities merge into the wilds sounds very inviting, and the social expectation to always be studying something is exactly what I want. My ideal life, if I didn't have to worry about supporting my family with my wages, would be to work in a cafeteria, volunteer in a garden, and earn multiple degrees for fun. I enjoy feeding people, washing dishes, weeding, digging, and doing homework.

I grew up in the Freedonian heartland. I can think of many people of my acquaintance who would love to set up the society you describe there. Burn it! BURN IT.

Edit: Oh yeah, least like to live. Uh, Suomi. Or North America. Nothing against them, I just don't like winter.
 
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Raiho-kun said:
No matter how accommodating the Comintern is, most people prefer staying in familiar environments if they can help it. It's why even in our world in countries where people are unhappy and can generally afford to move elsewhere, they don't want to go through the trouble of moving and settling down for potentially better prospects (beyond the language barrier). I also think that people migrating may also have the knock-on effect of siphoning precious labor power away from the States along with those immigrants telling friends and family back home about better conditions. At some point, people are going to ask why do they need to uproot themselves from their homes for the possibility of a better life when the parasites who keep things from getting better are, as demonstrated, hardly invincible?
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Yeah
Speaking for myself, in the case of a worldmerge, I would...stay where I am.
TLM-world sounds very alien to me, I feel like culturally acclimatizing to their post-scarcity, moneyless, classless socialist world will be...taxing, to say the least.
And that's without considering the sheer disruption they will face due to the worldmerge.
If the world has demilitarized rapidly ITTL as it begins to transition to post-statism with "The Start of History", then god they're fucked. At least in the short term.
So I suppose this is an example of the kind of person you're talking about here.
 
I doubt they've demilitarized much considering the PDIS and Freedonia, especially the latter, still exist. Also considering the history of the Teal Curtain and China, they've downsized but I doubt they've demilitarized.

Also its not as if OTL military's, which aren't very large aside from the usual suspects, are particularly capable of deploying their strength at the drop of a hat either.
 
Capability to attack quickly far away with cohesive military force is cost prohibitive even to superpower and only of limited strength. A QRF can create or deny opportunity but logistic is still the one that ultimately define military capability.

Modern US is theoretically capable of deploying about 16000 combined strength of land, air, and sea in 18-hours. But this capability is formed by having globe-spanning network of fleets, allies, and vassals providing logistic base, launching point, and port right.

With Glide connecting more compatible region and mutually unclaimed one it translate to a stronger hand for the defender and harder hand for attacker as it strengthen short logistic tail and weaken longer one. Defender will either have their still existing in-world closer and friendly logistic network and/or suddenly having double defensive force from their friends across the Glide with quickly brokered defensive alliance and only Glide away logistic. Attacker instead will only have Glide-added complication.

Also as Star said region too, I wonder which socialist rebel group suddenly found MBT fall of the back of a truck.
 
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If the world has demilitarized rapidly ITTL as it begins to transition to post-statism with "The Start of History", then god they're fucked. At least in the short term.
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Not really. Whilst it may take a while for the socialists to gear up sufficiently to push into the otl side of the worldmerge, outside of Freedonia the capitalists aren't going to be able to gain any ground on the TLM side. By the time of the worldmerge, the Comintern has more or less embraced the "launch tactical nuclear strikes at invading army concentrations" method of defence, and otl doesn't really have an answer to that.
 
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Not really. Whilst it may take a while for the socialists to gear up sufficiently to push into the otl side of the worldmerge, outside of Freedonia the capitalists aren't going to be able to gain any ground on the TLM side. By the time of the worldmerge, the Comintern has more or less embraced the "launch tactical nuclear strikes at invading army concentrations" method of defence, and otl doesn't really have an answer to that.
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Not only that but I think there's probably still terrorist groups and the like still running around as I doubt fascist and other reactionary ideologies went away and there's probably still fanatics willing to kill and do other horrible things for said ideology.
 
Just got around to reading and it was a real treat. Very evocative. Wish I had the vocabulary to really summarize why I love it. It's just so strange and fascinating.

I'm really excited about the chaos that the world merge will will bring into OTL. I'm imagining just a thousand fires lit by the Comintern all over the global south. And I do agree that the American left is going to get a real shot in the arm. The implication is that the capitalist world, and by association the USA, is going to be a lifeline to Freedonia. And I think that alone is going to be a radicalizing factor.

But we will see. Excited to read about how it all develops. Feels like things will really start to escalate quick.
 
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Holy fuck the flags are so vibrant and gooooood
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TheTiredScot said:
Ikr. It makes all other flags look so bland in comparison.
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I am glad you like them, when I was making the flags I really wanted something to emphasize that the socialism of TTL was a very different beast than the one we are more familiar with, and because I sneer at the usual rules of flag making and like really colorful flags.

Or in other words:

"There must be a mistake, I assumed the only color that would be allowed under Communism would be Red"
"TASTE THE FUCKING RAINBOW"



SadMuseGirl said:
Glorious. I've been watching this post grow into this beauty for a long while now, and it's nice to see it blossom at last.

As I've said before, what makes the Redshift communist societies different from other attempts to write utopias is that they're in motion: some like the territories of the former African Socialist Union are stable, others like the People's Union of China are partway through their transformations and move with urgency, and others still like the USASR stand at a crossroads needing to change but uncertain as to how.

I recall a line about how Marx didn't view the victory of communism as the End of History, but the end of man's barbaric prehistory and the start of a real history with humanity in control of it's destiny, and that is what Redshift portrays: not a moment where all questions are answered and history comes to a full stop, but where humanity is in a position to try to answer the questions they hadn't been free to do so previously and to ask yet more questions that no one would have thought to ask before. In my view, that is something more glorious and wonderful than all the simplistic hopes for simply noting that post scarcity had been achieved through technological developments with no change or need to change afterwards.
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Yup this is gonna be a major theme going forward, even as the international picks up its sword once more for another round of Cold War, its politics are gonna remain dynamic and changing because the victory of socialism doesn't mean politics are over, merely transitioned to a less authoritarian state overall.


TheTiredScot said:
Yeah I have no idea where Id live. Probably the one with the most anarchists.
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By most anarchists do you mean most anarchists in total, most anarchists per capita or most anarchist entities because each of these has a different answer.
 
I love this so much, I'm so glad that its finally here. There is so much variety and innovation in this world, I yearn to live here. You've truly painted a picture Star, fantastic writing as always.

StarMaker764 said:
Unrelated but out of curiosity I want to ask readers which of the regions they would like to live in the most vs the one they woul hate living in the most (excluding Freedonia).
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I would love to live on a train village in the Alaskan region of Eurasia. That or Inner Elouera.
I'll echo everyone else with the PDIS to hate living in. That or the Brazilian scar, depressing to see and dangerous to live in.
 
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Redshift trivia pt1
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    • 1. One of CAR's most enduring legacies is its introduction of crocodiles of multiple species into European ecosystems, which have hybridised with one another to form multiple hybrid or "creole" species that are plaguing Europe's waterways after somehow managing to adapt to the colder climate.

    2. The 1985 trioka have long retired from politics and taken up several hobbies, including Bukharina getting really into psychological horror novels and games, Ghaddafi having a lets play WorldView channel while Selim enjoys city builder games

    3. The Comintern's manned moon mission had retrieving the Nazi flag up there as one of its primary objects, upon return to earth it was thrown into a Volcano.

    4. There is an unofficial contest between TLM polities on who can build the prettiest most ornate replacement to the destroyed statue of liberty, with the former UAR, ASU, Europa, Brazil, PUC and Bharat all having their own versions by 2016.

    5. Brazil's statue is is also completely submerged under water since it also doubles as an artificial coral reef

    6. A third of southern Italy's population are revolutionary Satanists

    7. Iskandaria is home to a wide variety of creatures that exist nowhere else in the world, including a dozen fungi species, over 20 species of fish, biolumenicent neotonic amphibians and at least one rat species.

    8. Though Russian culture as we know is still around, there are also about 11+ Russian sub and hybrid cultures that emerged across Eurasia and the wider world.

    9. The World Population has reached seven billion by 2016

    10. The world of TLM is made up entirely of republics but there is a single ceremonial title of "Comintern Princess" that was bestowed to terminally ill 6 year old Ayanna Ramlal as part of her wish.
     
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