Raising Heaven- A FFXIV/Exalted Crossover

If I remember right, Ebeli's stance on the First Age is "So, turns out our past selves were fucking nuts and Chejop just did what he had to."
I mostly remeber it being a turbo fucked tragedy all around with a bunch of people all acting on what they thought was right and falling victim to their own character flaws.

Also limit break. Which is a fun bit of dual wordplay here.

I don't recall ketchup being a mustache twirling old man villain. He made what he thought was the best of two awful, terrible choices. He was a crotchety old jerk though.
 
I mostly remeber it being a turbo fucked tragedy all around with a bunch of people all acting on what they thought was right and falling victim to their own character flaws.

Also limit break. Which is a fun bit of dual wordplay here.
That's definitely a valid interpretation of events. But remember, while we know it as the backstory of a game setting, to Ebeli it's actual history. Unlike for us, there was only one truth(which I imagine is identical to the author's interpretation), but the sources she has access to will have reflected their creators' baises and other limitations in observing that truth. This will color her opinions.

I don't recall ketchup being a mustache twirling old man villain. He made what he thought was the best of two awful, terrible choices. He was a crotchety old jerk though.
Absolutely, leave the mustache twirling shit to the Ebon Dragon. My most uncharitable interpretation of Ketchup Carjack just has him and his peers just going too far in trying to dodge the consequences for doing what they thought was right.
 
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And when you get down to it- Ebeli and Sky can argue that yes, a strong ruler can be a good thing. The First Age was an example, at least when they weren't all going insane and strapping Grass Cutter to the Pole of Earth to make the Pole of Enraged Scorpion, or dropping a chunk of Creation into the Wyld to make Australia.
In Eorzea, the best historical example of "what happened when you had one absolute ruler over everything" is Xande and the Allagan Empire. An empire with fantastic matitech and biotech, flash cloning, racial modifications galore... and no morals whatsoever. Oh, and Xande burned the whole thing to the ground because "He decided that if one had nothing after death, there should be nothing," aka: Destroy the world when I die. It failed because of an uprising, and ended up as a survivable Calamity instead - the end of the fourth astral era.

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Varis could be convinced to turn if Ebeli could make a continent wide ritual that gave Garlians the ability to use essence. Like his whole deal was beside the ascian pyramid scheme was that his people were oppressed because they could not defend themselves. Also the Idea that Eikons could be killed is very attractive as that is basically the Empires mission statement on paper.
 
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I mostly remeber it being a turbo fucked tragedy all around with a bunch of people all acting on what they thought was right and falling victim to their own character flaws.

Also limit break. Which is a fun bit of dual wordplay here.

I don't recall ketchup being a mustache twirling old man villain. He made what he thought was the best of two awful, terrible choices. He was a crotchety old jerk though.
Chejop's actions were part of the Great Curse, though. Killing all the insane Solars was not a bad idea. There were factions that wanted to destroy Creation so they could build a better Creation, with blackjack and hookers and dev consoles.

The bad idea that came from the Sidereal Great Curse was locking away all the Solar Exaltations and tossing them into the ocean, robbing Creation of visionary god kings which the Sidereals could have guided to not be insane assholes.
 
Just out of curiosity: Why would the solars actually need to destroy Creation first to make space for a new creation? The Wyld being out there makes it seem really... stupid, honestly. Idiot ball, aka: Great Curse?

Do keep in mind that "destroying Creation" would not be a case of "reducing the forests and cities to rubble", but "reduce everything to Wyld, then try to create a new world. Oh, that didn't work? Too bad, so sad". Blowing up a country and taking over is by comparison typically described as "Conquest". Possibly "destruction and looting".
 
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Because the Great Curse is fucking bad news that's why. No real reason.You answered your own question. The Solars believed they could make a new Creation, this one was in the way. So it had too go. SO they had to go.
 
Just out of curiosity: Why would the solars actually need to destroy Creation first to make space for a new creation? The Wyld being out there makes it seem really... stupid, honestly. Idiot ball, aka: Great Curse?

Do keep in mind that "destroying Creation" would not be a case of "reducing the forests and cities to rubble", but "reduce everything to Wyld, then try to create a new world. Oh, that didn't work? Too bad, so sad". Blowing up a country and taking over is by comparison typically described as "Conquest". Possibly "destruction and looting".
Because the Great Curse, especially for Solars, caused them to go to further extremes than they normally would have, making their Virtues go into overdrive. This, combined with the society run for Exalted and by Exalted, and the most powerful of them being veterans of the Primordial War, lead to ideas like this. There was also the matter of the higher essence Integrity Charms, which makes it nearly impossible to dissuade a Solar of something. Which is great in combat when fighting a being that could persuade you into not existing, but less so during peace time.
 
Just out of curiosity: Why would the solars actually need to destroy Creation first to make space for a new creation? The Wyld being out there makes it seem really... stupid, honestly. Idiot ball, aka: Great Curse?

Do keep in mind that "destroying Creation" would not be a case of "reducing the forests and cities to rubble", but "reduce everything to Wyld, then try to create a new world. Oh, that didn't work? Too bad, so sad". Blowing up a country and taking over is by comparison typically described as "Conquest". Possibly "destruction and looting".
Addendum: Creation exists in a sort of conceptual space above the Mouth of the Void, so if they were going to have their Creation 2.0 serve as a seal on the Void, they'd have to get rid of Creation 1.0 first to have a better grip. Creation 0.0 is called Zen Mu and was apparently a silly place, and possibly a model.
 
Because most of them were apparently idiots even before the Great Curse made them even dumber.
Keep in mind that humans didn't really have any sort of institution or organisation before exaltations started getting handed out.

Imagine some humans going from uneducated refugees without even an oral tradition to immortal rulers of nuclear powers.

is it any surprise that the first solar government failed when it was also the first human government ever.
 
Keep in mind that humans didn't really have any sort of institution or organisation before exaltations started getting handed out.

Imagine some humans going from uneducated refugees without even an oral tradition to immortal rulers of nuclear powers.

is it any surprise that the first solar government failed when it was also the first human government ever.

So, cavemen with nuclear weapons. Duly noted.
 
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The ritual, the procedure, was a success. The Aether of Louisoix's new form was stabilized and he was now a god. Or a spirit, or a living being who is not a Primal, which served to put everyone's minds at ease.

Almost immediately, the old man and the rest of the Scions entered the solarium and hadn't been out since.

Ebeli sits in the tea shop that serves as a cover for the Waking Sands, basking in the glow of a successful sorcerous ritual, sipping quality tea and dining on finger foods. She just saved the savior and that means she can treat herself.

Or at least, until the chair across from her is pulled back, and the remarkable rabbit girl sits down across from her.

"So," Ragna starts, "What did you do and can I learn to do it?"

Ebeli blinks. A willing student is always good, although there is the question of how much she can teach. As Tataru comes along with tea for Ragna, Ebeli shifts her sight to Essence and examines her. Which becomes obvious, from the look of surprise that comes over her face, and even more so when Ebeli sits up.

"I think you can learn quite a bit. Considering you've already been initiated."

Ragna furrows her brow. She snaps her fingers after a moment of consideration. "You mean the Echo?"

"[You mean the thing that lets you understand this?]"

Ragna nods. "Yeah. That's the Echo. So can you teach me how to do the shit you used to help Loiusoix?"

Ebeli strokes her chin. "Yes. I can. It would be easier than I thought. You're already awakened to Sorcery, or something similar to it. You're already a Sorcerer. You just don't know any spells." She rummages through her coat, pulling out a palm sized emerald. "Let me give an example- this is a spell called Theft of Memory, and will let me get a better idea of how you became enlightened."

Ragna quirks her lips, nods, and extends a hand. She touches the emerald, a faint haze of sunlight flowing around them, muted compared with her more bleaching display of sunlight-

And Ebeli finds herself standing in the void. Light flows around her, a haze of green and blue and white. Something glows behind her, and Ebeli turns.

HEAR. FEEL. THINK.

Ebeli finds herself staring at it. At the immense, crystalline shape. There is the fact that this is someone else's memory, and she wishes she could use her Sorcerer's Sight for this. Still, looking at the vastness, taking in the presence, she manages an appropriate response.

"What."



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Would you call the aetherial sea the Wyld or something else?
The Aetherial Sea is not, last I checked, filled with LARPing assholes who are carried along by good ideas. So it'd be something else. Hell, it's probably better because you don't have to worry about some elf piece of shit recruiting you into a musical number.
 
Yeah, just trying to make sense of this conjoined universe. Eddy can be here one. But it's "outside" creation. But not in the Wyld. Essence still works the exalts can still respirate it, so there is that. The fact that charms in general work is interesting.
 
Yeah, just trying to make sense of this conjoined universe. Eddy can be here one. But it's "outside" creation. But not in the Wyld. Essence still works the exalts can still respirate it, so there is that. The fact that charms in general work is interesting.
In theory, because it's outside Creation, the Ebon Dragon can sneak into Hydaelyn, but the fact that everyone's some sort of virtue-using-heroic-type means he'd get shit stomped the moment he tried anything, even without the Holy keyword. Which gives me the idea that he's tried sneaking into other MMOs and gets fucked up before running back.
 
Eddy just popping in to be a timed event boss cum loot pinata sounds hilarious. I wonder if he's forced to keep going back do to his dealio.
 
In theory, because it's outside Creation, the Ebon Dragon can sneak into Hydaelyn, but the fact that everyone's some sort of virtue-using-heroic-type means he'd get shit stomped the moment he tried anything, even without the Holy keyword. Which gives me the idea that he's tried sneaking into other MMOs and gets fucked up before running back.
I mean, I suspect he'd rather get regularly shitstomped than stay imprisoned.
 
In theory, because it's outside Creation, the Ebon Dragon can sneak into Hydaelyn, but the fact that everyone's some sort of virtue-using-heroic-type means he'd get shit stomped the moment he tried anything, even without the Holy keyword. Which gives me the idea that he's tried sneaking into other MMOs and gets fucked up before running back.

He tried sneaking into Destiny. Sadly for him, he arrived during the Great Amhakara Hunt, and was chased from one end of Venus to the other by Guardians that thought he was one of the local dragons and wanted his body parts for loot. And then he ran into Shaxx. And then Savathun, who made fun of him and called him a rank novice and offered him lessons.
 
He tried sneaking into Destiny. Sadly for him, he arrived during the Great Amhakara Hunt, and was chased from one end of Venus to the other by Guardians that thought he was one of the local dragons and wanted his body parts for loot. And then he ran into Shaxx. And then Savathun, who made fun of him and called him a rank novice and offered him lessons.
This could be completely possible, because there's MMO PCs, and then there's Guardians. Because one is a set of loot-hungry adventurers, and then there's Guardians.
 
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