Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Eh, don't worry, he died pretty soon
Puella Magi Systema Fractus, or A Practical Guide To Fixing Everything (PMAS/APGTE)
- Thread starter Lord Chungus
- Start date
- Crossover
Eh, don't worry, he died pretty soon
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
I admit Cat's crazy plans were my favourite part of that particular part of the story.
It was great. Catherine is absolutely at her best when she weaponises chaos.
I laughed my ass off when I realised she and pretty much all her friends had wiped their memories and were just following clues/instructions of their past selves with no idea what half the intentions even meant. And they kept blaming each other for particularly insane parts of the plan since nobody could actually remember who came up with what part of the 'plan' they were following. I really enjoyed how much trust they showed for each other regardless, and I think my favourite line was Hakram obediently going along with "Orcs are notoriously afraid of fire".
Hakram: I feel faint. Like a dove. A dove that is sick
Best line of that arc.
Hakram: I feel faint. Like a dove. A dove that is sick
Best line of that arc.
It was great. Catherine is absolutely at her best when she weaponises chaos.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I found this kind of hilarious. 
Also, starting book 4 chapter 7. I think I'm almost caught up to where we are right now in this quest.
"You can't send her with us," Robber said. "She bit off Akua's head!"
I blinked.
"She did what now?" I warily asked.
Robber looked shifty, which considering he could skulk in broad daylight without trying was an almost miraculous achievement.
"I'm not saying it happened, but it's possible a betting ring technically illegal under Legions regs just spontaneously emerged," he said.
"Akua was a scorpion," Archer cheerfully informed me.
"Not just a scorpion, you brute, she was a purebred Wasteland Rattler," the goblin insisted. "And her full name was Akua Sahedon't."
"You bit off a scorpion's head," I enunciated slowly, looking at Indrani.
She shrugged.
"The Lady always said it's important to establish the pecking order early in a relationship," she replied. "Wouldn't you agree, Borer?"
"That's someone else," Robber muttered peevishly. "And I had a month's pay riding on Akua killing Willie Angels."
So my sappers were importing no doubt massively oversized Wasteland scorpions, naming them after old opponents of mine and pitting them in death fights. I truly wished I could say that was the worst thing I'd ever caught them doing, but this was a bad time to start lying to myself.
"I'm going to pretend I never heard this," I decided out loud.
I blinked.
"She did what now?" I warily asked.
Robber looked shifty, which considering he could skulk in broad daylight without trying was an almost miraculous achievement.
"I'm not saying it happened, but it's possible a betting ring technically illegal under Legions regs just spontaneously emerged," he said.
"Akua was a scorpion," Archer cheerfully informed me.
"Not just a scorpion, you brute, she was a purebred Wasteland Rattler," the goblin insisted. "And her full name was Akua Sahedon't."
"You bit off a scorpion's head," I enunciated slowly, looking at Indrani.
She shrugged.
"The Lady always said it's important to establish the pecking order early in a relationship," she replied. "Wouldn't you agree, Borer?"
"That's someone else," Robber muttered peevishly. "And I had a month's pay riding on Akua killing Willie Angels."
So my sappers were importing no doubt massively oversized Wasteland scorpions, naming them after old opponents of mine and pitting them in death fights. I truly wished I could say that was the worst thing I'd ever caught them doing, but this was a bad time to start lying to myself.
"I'm going to pretend I never heard this," I decided out loud.
Also, starting book 4 chapter 7. I think I'm almost caught up to where we are right now in this quest.
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Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I found this kind of hilarious.
"You can't send her with us," Robber said. "She bit off Akua's head!"
I blinked.
"She did what now?" I warily asked.
Robber looked shifty, which considering he could skulk in broad daylight without trying was an almost miraculous achievement.
"I'm not saying it happened, but it's possible a betting ring technically illegal under Legions regs just spontaneously emerged," he said.
"Akua was a scorpion," Archer cheerfully informed me.
"Not just a scorpion, you brute, she was a purebred Wasteland Rattler," the goblin insisted. "And her full name was Akua Sahedon't."
"You bit off a scorpion's head," I enunciated slowly, looking at Indrani.
She shrugged.
"The Lady always said it's important to establish the pecking order early in a relationship," she replied. "Wouldn't you agree, Borer?"
"That's someone else," Robber muttered peevishly. "And I had a month's pay riding on Akua killing Willie Angels."
So my sappers were importing no doubt massively oversized Wasteland scorpions, naming them after old opponents of mine and pitting them in death fights. I truly wished I could say that was the worst thing I'd ever caught them doing, but this was a bad time to start lying to myself.
"I'm going to pretend I never heard this," I decided out loud.
Also, starting book 4 chapter 7. I think I'm almost caught up to where we are right now in this quest.
Ah yes, Indrani.
I feel like the rest of Mitakihara Five is going to feel some... culture shock when they meet her.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hmm.
So for a semi-bloodless way of ending the upcoming battle, here's my current idea.
• Have Homura stop time.
• Connect all of the Mitakihara girls together in stopped time long distance, with Mami's Ribbons.
• Create a griefhax power suppression field and a griefhax unconsciousness inducement field.
• With both of those fields, and Mami's ribbons, spend several weeks/months knocking out and tying up every single one of the tens of thousands of members of both armies.
• Take extreme and special precautions around the powerful Named on both sides.
• Take double super duper extreme special precautions around Cat and her god powers. Try and set up an appropriate narrative for all this.
• Literally force both sides commanders to the negotiating table, with an appropriate reminder of our out-of-context nature and ridiculous amounts of power.
I don't know Practical Guide particularly well, so please provide appropriate criticisms about why this is a dumb plan that would never work.
So for a semi-bloodless way of ending the upcoming battle, here's my current idea.
• Have Homura stop time.
• Connect all of the Mitakihara girls together in stopped time long distance, with Mami's Ribbons.
• Create a griefhax power suppression field and a griefhax unconsciousness inducement field.
• With both of those fields, and Mami's ribbons, spend several weeks/months knocking out and tying up every single one of the tens of thousands of members of both armies.
• Take extreme and special precautions around the powerful Named on both sides.
• Take double super duper extreme special precautions around Cat and her god powers. Try and set up an appropriate narrative for all this.
• Literally force both sides commanders to the negotiating table, with an appropriate reminder of our out-of-context nature and ridiculous amounts of power.
I don't know Practical Guide particularly well, so please provide appropriate criticisms about why this is a dumb plan that would never work.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Alrighty, the only problem I see with this plan aside from Homura killing us after being forced to spend a few weeks in a timestop, is the Saint of Swords.
When I said she's anime, I meant it in the most insulting way possible. She cuts: air, water, Winter, which is a metaphysical mantle of power, and reality itself.
And there's time magic in the setting, so her being able to cut through timestop has a non-zero chance of success. Don't ask me how, Heroic powers are bullshit.
Hmm. No objections otherwise. I feel like there's an easier way to do this, involving forcing the armies apart with logistical isssues, but for the life of me I don't have any idea of how to do it.
The only thing coming to mind is:
Steal the majority of Proceran supplies, enough they won't be able to get their way through to the next town on their way without both running out of supplies and meeting Cat's army, but leave enough they don't immediately starve and are able to make their way back to Procer.
Make abundantly clear what you're doing
Leave the supplies in the principality they are going to retreat to
In canon, Catherine was able to force a truce by stealing their supplies, blocking their way to the rest of the country, and wrecking a large part of the army while taking serious comparative casualties herself. Actually, I'm not that worried about this fight.
I feel like we'll be actually able to figure something out with this.
Getting Procerans to agree would be pretty difficult, but I feel like we can work something out with The Gray Piligrim. He's a decently knowledgeable Tropper, so if we get around presenting the situation in a necessary light, he will take a chance. Maybe.
Black has twenty thousand against sixty in the Red Flower Vale or something like that. The fight there is going to get much bloodier, and unlike Catherine, Chuckles isn't interested in peace.
This is going to be a headache and a half.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
"Yeah, I'm someone who breaks unfair systems like that over my knee."ErraticErrata said:
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
"Yeah, I'm someone who breaks unfair systems like that over my knee."
Eh, Sabrina has yet to show one system she's broken, so not exactly excellent track record.
Also, I'm calling Gray Piligrim Ben Kenobi, and brook no argument in this matter.
Saint of Swords is Edgy Goku
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Shhhh... we're somone who does that. Time has no bearing on this.
Also, sorry but we already got an Edgy Goku:
Look at all that edge.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
Shhhh... we're somone who does that. Time has no bearing on this.
Also, sorry but we already got an Edgy Goku:
Look at all that edge.
I'd bet her edge is bigger.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Calling Grey Pilgrim "Ben Kenobi" is a huge disservice to Obi-wan. You've not caught up to the latest things Saint and GP have been up to, I don't think, but uh...
Okay, take Oriko's willingness to do bad things for good outcomes, and magnify the bad things and reduce the good outcome to "the survivors will have the right attitude towards fighting evil" and you have the Saint of Swords (This is best shown in Fatalism I-III, extra chapters that are important enough that I think they should be full interludes). To get Grey Pilgrim, take Oriko's whole thing, bad things for good outcomes, martyrdom streak, etc. and ramp up the self-righteousness and collateral damage and cover with a varnish of humility.
Like, if they were Meguca, they'd be on my "do not attempt conversation, gem on sight" list. Like...I'm not sure there is a third on that list, but the Tyrant, Dead King, and Malicia would be "maybes" for the list, to put in perspective how dangerous and bad faith actors I consider them.
Other things we need to take into account are Malicia (the real reason why Black resolves the defense of the Red Vales the way he does, to remove himself and the legions there from the Cat vs Malicia conflict while being able to still help both of them), the gnomes (who block scientific solutions to the systemic problems behind why Praes needs to invade Callow every few generations), and that if we show off too much as categorically something other than a traditional hero, ranger almost has to show up to hunt us at some point.
Also, minor quibble, but Saint of Swords doesn't cut air. She cut the sky and used the sliced open bit to run on (and no, she doesn't care that it shouldn't work that way). Calling it cutting air is a wee bit of an understatement.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I propose to pass the notion "Everyone in this setting is an asshole, some more than others" without actually specifying who is more of an asshole than the rest of them. That way, we can stop quibbling about the quantitive comparison and start checking all of them in at our Mamigold Hotel
Also, 'Ben Kenobi' isn't meant to be an accurate description of his character
It indicates his Wise Old Man status in the setting and his willingness to lie and cheat in the name of the Greater Good
I know this is very shoddy, but at least Gray Piligrim understands what he does and accepts full responsibility for his actions.
Most of the people in the setting don't have even that going for them.
Also, 'Ben Kenobi' isn't meant to be an accurate description of his character
It indicates his Wise Old Man status in the setting and his willingness to lie and cheat in the name of the Greater Good
I know this is very shoddy, but at least Gray Piligrim understands what he does and accepts full responsibility for his actions.
Most of the people in the setting don't have even that going for them.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
FTFY
More seriously tho, that would mean becoming part of the problem, not the solution
By all means, let's commit silly acts upon Calernia
But, well, some Dread Emperors and Empresses were silly people
Who murdered their way through the ranks in order to become who they were
There's a whole culture in Praesi Empire about betrayal
I feel like Palpatine would approve
Or sue them, one of the two
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Is the Saint of Swords bullshit enough that if we put them in a medically imposed coma, they'll cut their way out? Because if so, we probably have to kill them.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
By what little I've seen of her, she's probably way too hax to contain.
She's got decated of Heroing, I think, and unlike everyone else in the story so far, she openly mouths out to anyone and everyone like an edgy teenager.
The fact she's made it this far and kept that attitude seems to point to her being basically invincible.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Hmm. What are her speed feats? Fifty, a hundred times faster then normal? Is there anything to suggest that she could react to a light-speed attack?
Does she have the "combat precog" thing, and if she does, do we think it works on a mechanism that griefhax and/or Sabrina's immunity to Oriko's precog might circumvent?
If it seems plausible, I say we vaporize her with a high-power laser beam. Ideally while hovering high above with the sun to our backs, so it looks like a sunbeam just scoured her out of reality.
Unfortunately doing that would cause some collateral damage by blinding anybody who happened to be looking even vaguely in that direction. :/
Higure
Witch of Faith
- Location
- The Golden Land
Huh...thinking about Names.
Does anyone who knows PGTE better than I do know if new Names can be created? I'd presume one would do this by establishing a Role in the world which is not currently defined, but I could be wrong...
If so, we could try to create some which run contrary to the existing System.
If not, we'll need to look into spreading power to the Nameless. That should be a major step towards collapsing everything.
Also...umm...how sure are we that Kyubey can't find his way here? Because I'm not sure if Meguca would be a good or bad thing to add to this setting, honestly.
Does anyone who knows PGTE better than I do know if new Names can be created? I'd presume one would do this by establishing a Role in the world which is not currently defined, but I could be wrong...
If so, we could try to create some which run contrary to the existing System.
If not, we'll need to look into spreading power to the Nameless. That should be a major step towards collapsing everything.
Also...umm...how sure are we that Kyubey can't find his way here? Because I'm not sure if Meguca would be a good or bad thing to add to this setting, honestly.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I have only read one encounter between Catherine and Saint of Sword so far, but I'm thinking SoS might be able to cut through literally anything.
Let's say Catherine deployed a Reality Marble and SoS cut it apart so hard it left side effects on Catherine.
SoS has her own reality Marble sort of thing, but it's internal rather than external. I think she might actually be a sword.
I wonder how she'd get along with Shirou.
Also that thing wher SoS cuts the air itself just to run on the cut.
As far as combat precog goes... well, Named have the standard grabbag of super powers you could expect out of fantasy magical fighting characters, so they all have it, but it's not technically precog, it's 'instincts'. Probably can't be fooled with Sabrina's Sabrinaness.
Hopefully I'll get to a chapter where her weaknesses are discovered, so we don't have to discover them on the fly.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
New Names can be created. They arise out of a societies culture and stories and doing weighty things. We have an example in Cat's reliable #2, the Orc Hakram, who became the first orcish named in a long time (after their culture was extinguished by the roman empire expy), Adjutant.
Roles are not the same as Names. While taking a Role in a story (via deed) might grant the nameless a name, Cat has demonstrated that a named can take many roles in their lifetime, and that some roles particularly match up well with their name (Black Knight excels in a conquering role, not so much in a ruling role).
I think Sabrina should cheese the crap out of Roles, but avoid being shackled via Name if at all possible.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
You know what'd be the super awesome third option?
To take a Name... from Madokami. Not from the Gods Above nor the Gods Below, but from the Gods a little bit to the left.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Being able to cut through literally anything up to and including my phone screen to stab me personally IRL really doesn't matter if she can't react fast enough.
That's why I'm asking how fast her reaction speeds are - I'm assuming Shiki Ryougi rules here. Shiki can kill anything she can cut, but there's stuff that's too fast for her to react to.
It doesn't matter if the Saint of Swords can cut a laser beam in half if in the one-ten-thousandth of a second or whatever it takes her to react all of her component atoms have already violently disassociated from each other.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I doubt she'd be that easy to kill anyhow, because trope bullshit.
How did Black put it? Fighting Heroes is like peeling an onion, you need to strip away layer by layer until all that's left is tears.
Creation will suck a Hero's dick to see them succeed, within reason. The dice roll high for the Heroes most of the time. If we try to vaporize someone of that caliber from orbit or such, trying to brute force with sheer power without threading SoS' defeat into a story... I'd give it, let's say, a 50/50 of working? Personal power is one of the factors to consider...
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Right, but what's the limit? She's blatantly not fast enough to react, so she'll surpass her limits... tenfold? A hundredfold? A thousandfold?
Or is there literally no limit - if the narrative isn't right, she literally cannot die?