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We finally found something where I'm clearly not Sabrina! Fantastic! Maybe this post-Walpurgis Night quasi-hangover crap will go away, now.
 
Random832 said:
What would happen if Kyosuke met Kyoko? Would the universe implode?
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He would end even more of a cripple with Kyouko driving the point that his "pain" is totally worthless compared to the crap the megucas pass through.

And he either breaks or learns to suck it up and move forward, and I do realise that is a bit cold towards him but hey, SV might pay to see that…right?
 
akrasiel23 said:
He would end even more of a cripple with Kyouko driving the point that his "pain" is totally worthless compared to the crap the megucas pass through.

And he either breaks or learns to suck it up and move forward, and I do realise that is a bit cold towards him but hey, SV might pay to see that…right?
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"And that was when Sayaka lost it, a bit ahead of schedule."
 
Ugolino said:
"And that was when Sayaka lost it, a bit ahead of schedule."
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To be honest, one of the reasons I wrote a thing about him in the Homu home (I do have shame of this self promotion, thank you) is because I wanted to explore how someone's sense of worth is shattered due to learning about circumstances beyond his/her immediate knowledge and how could this person pick up the pieces knowing all that she/he knows now.
 
akrasiel23 said:
To be honest, one of the reasons I wrote a thing about him in the Homu home (I do have shame of this self promotion, thank you) is because I wanted to explore how someone's sense of worth is shattered due to learning about circumstances beyond his/her immediate knowledge and how could this person pick up the pieces knowing all that she/he knows now.
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hey, don't forget to link if you're shilling so we can read it. Otherwise you're just teasing. :p
 
FeepingCreature said:
Okay, so having finally caught up I would like to first of all hug Sereg and tell him he's not alone, I totally understand where he's coming from, and by the way you guys realize that he's totally our Homura, right? Stoic, combative exterior caused by an excess of emotional consideration, psychologically damaged, and utterly unable to communicate without making people dislike them. Just saying.

Anyway, I'd like to take a minute to try and analyze what went wrong with that debate.

The problem is wishing for powers, and the fundamental incompatibility with narrative.

Normally, you make a wish, the wish is achieved, and then you continue to grow in strength and experience as a magical girl. When we're doing our customary end-run around this system by wishing for a power, our wish is fulfilled immediately. That is, since our wish is completed by us having gained a power, this power must already, conceptually, be operating at the limit at which it's possible for it to operate. The only way to grow in skill is to gain more skill in the usage of the power. Unless it's the type of power that grows with conflict, or that has to build up gradually, or that consumes scarce resources, there is no way to have a power-output limited challenge that's achievable at the end of the story but not its beginning. I think that's what Sereg meant when he said that we were doomed to failure, since our power doesn't seem to be the kind that grows in strength over time.

Furthermore, people here may have gotten the impression that Sereg is an asshole. This is wrong, and all it does is make me want to hug him more. You see Sereg being hostile to the author, or the thread, or the story, and you assume that's just the way he is. The way I see it, what's happening is that Sereg is trying earnestly to protect the fictional people that the story is about - he's making a moral judgment about the characters - all the people that live in PMPS-verse - and trying to achieve the best outcome for them. It's a sign of engagement with the story, not the opposite - if you're trying to actually win, you're not aiming for a narratively satisfying path, your approach is not to grow as a person and form close bonds over a narratively satisfying arc or two, your approach is to achieve your goals quickly, efficiently and without fuss or hindrance.

Conflict in a story must come from the universe pushing back, not the characters deliberately pacing themselves, or else it rings hollow. We are Sabrina; our thoughts are her thoughts, and it's not intuitively obvious to me either that we even can pace ourselves in a way that preserves the challenge, without breaking that conceit.

(Sereg, if you haven't yet, I strongly recommend you check out Effective Altruism.)

(PMAS addresses this partially by making our power something that we don't fully understand the working of. Inasmuch as we grow in power, we do so by gaining a better understanding of our existing capabilities. That's why we utterly dominate in pure strength challenges - our pure power output is already endgame-tier, and will not change.)
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Someone gets it! Yay! I' searching Effective Altruism now.

TheEyes said:
Is it weird that, after reading the above, my first reaction was "We need to entice @ArcadianPhoenix into drawing a Murderface Homura for @Sereg to use as an avatar"?
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I'd be willing.

Redshirt Army said:
Depends on your opinion of why we didn't choose griefbending again, I suppose. :p
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I'm one of those who chose it because, griefbending wasn't good enough. For all the fact that our power supposedly didn't fail, the fact remains that there's a theoretical ability that could have saved us that we didn't have.

It has a couple of other advantages that I considered as well.

1. The more different we are from our original self, the less likely we are to have the same problem and the more likely we are to work out how to solve the original problem.

2. It prevents weirdness of Godwinson deciding we can't do something and then us later discovering we can in PMAS.

3. Novelty is fun. And if you can have fun while achieving your goal, that's a bonus.

Higure said:
Speaking as another character, I strongly disagree. Boredom is the bane of my existence, and no amount of RPing can completely relieve it.
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Ah, but that's your boredom. Peole don't want to be bored, but who cares if your life is boring to outside observers. The things that tend to be exciting to outside observers tend to be unpleasant to experience.
 
And this is the bad thing about skipping the discussion over in PMAS - you miss all this stuff.

It just moves too fast and I don't have time to keep up with it. v_v
 
akrasiel23 said:
If you want to know, Sneeze recorded their first marriage.


Hope you don't take this personally Ugo, Mura.
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I kinda feel sorry for @GonnaSneeze. It must be tough to go through life knowing that nothing else he does will ever reach the heights of artistic sophistication found in that magnum opus. Truly, it is a masterpiece of literature.
 
He didn't say it would be 'lewd' or anything, just that it'd be on QQ.

:V

It could be completely clean and Sneeze just wanted to let them not see it out of kindness...

But if they're gonna assume things, well, their choice.
 
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