Price of Blood [Worm fanfic] (Complete)

Carol may NOT be able to unilaterally kick somebody out. Sarah is the nominal head of New Wave, not Carol. However, Carol is pretty much the second-in-command,
I seriously doubt ANY member of the Team can unilaterally kick another member off the tyeam without any discussion with the rest of the team. Trying something like that is guaranteed to piss off everyone.

and she is the mother-figure for Amy, so she reasonably feels like she can make it stick. First, she thinks by kicking her out of her family, Amy has no place in New Wave.Second, she feels Amy is untrustworthy, and so her word should be enough, combined with this treacherous action, to convince Sarah and the other grown-ups, who obviously should listen to her wise counsel.
IF she presents it to them as "I propose we remove Amy from the team because..." it's possible they'll go along with it, although not really likely. If she presents it as she presented it to Piggot and Amy "I've kicked Amy out of the team, just so you know." there's no way they'd accept it even if they actually thought Amy's removal was justified.
 
My prediction is that Sophia won't have to be punished too much by the end of the story as she'll have come around to the semi-light side and will feel remorse for nearly all of her actions due to plot+character development. Many posts saying , "Wow, never thought I'd say this but I kind of like Shadow Stalker now. That's a sign of a great author!" will flood the thread!:)

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Oh wait, you're serious.

::insert Bender "laugh harder" GIF here::
 
Im not sure its lady photon who matters so much.

Whats the chance that if the exact circumstances of this filter back to new wave, its Laserdream, Shielder and probably with a bit more thinking time GG who will go "throw her out like that and we leave to"?
Well, maybe nothing quite so drastic, but its quite possible that this is were new wave may split, or with carol having near zero allies for her position.
 
It's weird reading a fic where mostly-canon!Sophia is one of the more sympathetic characters.

The crime needs to be a felony from a specified list. In Sophia's case it is kidnaping.
Pretty sure in this case it'd be (conspiracy to commit) misdemeanor kidnapping, since there was no intend to ransom her and she was held for less than 12 hours.
This was true, on the face of it. While the Vikare Act specifically forbade the "deliberate revelation and/or broadcasting of the secret identity of a heroic superhuman" and was punishable under United States law, rogues and villains were not covered to the same extent. An unmasked rogue could pursue civil suit for the loss of earnings connected to a costumed identity, while a villain had no legal redress at all. All the latter had to fall back on were the 'unspoken rules', a loosely adhered-to set of codes that boiled down to "you don't screw with me, I won't screw with you". While the PRT didn't officially recognise these 'rules', they tended to keep the body count down, so nobody bent them too hard when anyone was watching. When minor villains were captured, for instance, they were identified, but that information was never made public.
There's major problem here, not really in practice given how the situation resolved, but with whomever came up with the idea of forcing Carol to cooperate through threatening her with this law. The information that Taylor Hebert is the Swarmbringer isn't the damaging information in this case. Anyone who has followed the local news already knows Taylor Hebert is the Swarmbringer (at least to the same extent Carol already 'knows' she is). The damaging information Carol has is that they're treating her as if she's a hero. And given the nature of the Vikare act saying "I'm not allowed to discuss the Swarmbringer under the Vikare act" is literally the same as saying "the PRT is treating the Swarmbringer as if she is a hero." It worked out because Carol decided not to pursue the issue after she learned the details, but they can't know that beforehand.

Might be better to just go with plain obstruction of justice or maybe defamation. Piggot could just outright say that preliminary investigation shows the girl Panacea healed is not guilty of the murders, so publicly saying that she is would be defamation and if Carol really wants to know how and why they came to that conclusion she can sign the NDA.

As the five are dead, the culpability for all the deaths falls upon the shoulders of that one person.
Why are they trying to shift the blame from the real culprits to Sophia? Especially given that they're going to have to do quite some legal and PR manoeuvring to sell the 'Swarmbringer isn't responsible' bit. Why would they want to scapegoat someone who can defend themselves (and who they still have to catch) and is several steps removed from the deaths when they have someone who is actually unambiguously guilty of the crime and conveniently can't defend themselves?
 
But you can do something deliberately that you've been warned may have a specific consequence, and be liable for that consequence.

Um, no. That's not possible without scrapping the entire US legal system and starting over from scratch. Thirty-five years of divergent history isn't enough to do that without making the setting utterly unrecognizable, which Worm is not.

Does that mean that if the police shoot and almost kill you, you can be charged with attempted murder of yourself? (I am mostly just joking at this point, in case that's inobvious.)

No. But if they shoot at you, miss, and kill an innocent bystander with the missed shot, you could be convicted of second degree murder for the bystander's death.

Pretty sure in this case it'd be (conspiracy to commit) misdemeanor kidnapping, since there was no intend to ransom her and she was held for less than 12 hours.

There is no such thing as misdemeanor kidnapping. Kidnapping is a capital crime.
 
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Odd question but what are the chances the PRT can dig up illegal activity in Amy's adoption? There has to be a trail that includes her mothers death and suddenly a family unrelated has her without an agency being involved.
The canonical discussion of this:

Agitation 3.12 said:
Tattletale twirled the keys around one of her fingers, "For instance, it's not exactly public knowledge that Panacea was adopted."

"It's not a secret either. It's on official record."

"Falsified records," Tattletale grinned.

says to me that at least someone in local government conspired with the Brigade to allow Carol to adopt Amy, then fudged the records so it wouldn't be obvious as to who the real father was. Note also that Marquis had her for a year, so it's not unlikely that he actually did legally adopt her under his own name (which makes the Brigade's invasion of his home even more reckless).

why do you assume there was anything illegal involved? Amy's father asked the Dallon's to adopt her, and they did. Nothing illegal involved even if they did skip talking to any judge about it (and we don't know that they did).
Exactly.
Don't remember anything about the Vikare act in Wormo_O. But there's nothing wrong with a little surprise au plot contrivance as I'm always in favor of proactive world building.
It's my attempt to knit together the various plot contrivances in canon regarding secret identities.
My prediction is that Sophia won't have to be punished too much by the end of the story as she'll have come around to the semi-light side and will feel remorse for nearly all of her actions due to plot+character development. Many posts saying , "Wow, never thought I'd say this but I kind of like Shadow Stalker now. That's a sign of a great author!" will flood the thread!:)
You're thinking of Confrontation.
Um, no. That's not possible without scrapping the entire US legal sustem and starting over from scratch. Thirty-five years of divergent history isn't enough to do that without making the setting utterly unrecognizable, which Worm is not.
I call bullshit. If you are warned not to do something, and you still go through with it, then you wear the consequences.

Where in the American legal system does it say that you're not responsible for the consequences of something that you brought on yourself after being specifically warned not to do?

There is no such thing as misdemeanor kidnapping. Kidnapping is a capital crime.
I think you mean 'federal'.
 
There is no such thing as misdemeanor kidnapping. Kidnapping is a capital crime.
I'm fairly sure there's a crime short of "felony kidnapping" that a group of people cornering you in an alley and making fun of you for a while without letting you leave could be accused of.

Also, "capitol crimes" are by definition those for which you can be executed, aren't they? I don't think kidnapping by itself reaches that bar, does it?


You're thinking of Confrontation.

I call bullshit. If you are warned not to do something, and you still go through with it, then you wear the consequences.

Where in the American legal system does it say that you're not responsible for the consequences of something that you brought on yourself after being specifically warned not to do?
1) What is "Confrontation?"

2) "Ignorance of the law is no defense" is a half-true statement that varies depending on the law in question. A good rule of thumb is, "Should you have known it was probably against the law?" but even that's flimsy.

The short of it, though, is that depending on how the law is worded, you don't have to know an act is illegal in order to be prosecuted for committing it. If you honestly thought that the speed limit was 75 mph, but it was 40 mph, you're still on the hook for the traffic violation. If you didn't know that it required a license to hunt deer in whatever jurisdiction you're in, you're still going to have to pay any fines and possibly face jail time, depending on said jurisdiction. Agreeing to drive a vehicle from Bogota to LA without checking the contents of the trunk can still get you in trouble for drug trafficking, even if you technically didn't know you were doing so.

In a particularly unfair bit of legalism, somebody sticking a block of cocaine in your luggage while you're not looking could get your car impounded and sold by the government for being used in a drug crime, if you're pulled over and they search your luggage.

Now, ignorance and a show of remorse can, at times, get you leniency, even down to "off with a warning," but that's up to the police, prosecutor, and/or judges involved.

So not only is "If you do this, you'll be breaking the law, even if you don't know how or why" enough to get you on the hook, depending on the law in question, it's MORE THAN enough. You could simply wait for the person to unknowingly violate the law and then arrest them anyway.
 
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Note also that Marquis had her for a year, so it's not unlikely that he actually did legally adopt her under his own nam

Possibly small nit: If he's her father, I don't think he has to "adopt" her, just gain legal custody of her. That's easier if he's listed as her father on her birth certificate, since he doesn't have to prove that he has a blood relationship. Since he hasn't helped raise her since birth, he'd have to go through the legal system to gain custody, but as a parent it would probably be mostly a formality so long as he can prove that he has a steady income and can provide her with a stable home environment. Being a super villain complicates things, but he must have a legal identity which he can use - a real name which owns property, pays taxes, etc. He might have had to bend the rules a bit expedite things, but I can see where he could have gained custody of her in a completely or mostly legal way (mostly, because he can't be entirely honest about things like his income - he'd have to do something like Grue is doing).

Carol is a very different story. She has no blood relationship to Amy whatsoever. No social or legal relationship, either. Basically, she has no special standing to petition the courts for custody. Because of this, they'd scrutinize her much more closely. Would she have passed the psychological evaluation? Would Mark?

Marquis may have bent the rules, perhaps just to speed things up, but Carol couldn't have gotten custody in any reasonable timeframe without twisting the rules into an unrecognizable pretzel, then shattering them.

So what happens if someone digs into those records? If they sympathize with Carol and think she did a good thing by taking in a villain's daughter to give her a good life, they'll probably turn a blind eye. It was wrong, but it was for good reasons and people were happier because of it, right? But if they sympathize with Amy, decide that Carol shouldn't have been allowed to adopt a dog, much less a child, and think that Amy has turned out worse than she could have, they can come down hard on Carol for it. Nothing like jail would be at issue, but it would tarnish New Wave's reputation something terrible.

Which means that it's possible blackmail material. If the PRT needs Carol to play ball on something, they can just threaten to release this to the media (assuming Amy backs up the story that Carol was a terrible parent). Carol cares a lot about her reputation and she'd know that she wouldn't come out of that scandal looking good. Amy's too popular and too sympathetic-looking.

Something to think about, if not for this story then perhaps for another.
 
There is no such thing as misdemeanor kidnapping. Kidnapping is a capital crime.
https://kidnapping.uslegal.com/kidnapping/classification-as-misdemeanors-or-felonies/ said:
Kidnapping statutes recognize different types and levels of kidnapping. These statutes classify types of kidnapping as either a felony or misdemeanor and assign punishment accordingly.
Any crime can be a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the circumstances.
For example, if you're in an argument with someone, they try to leave and you force them to sit down so you can talk it out that's kidnapping (after all you restrained them and moved them without their permission). You really think that's a felony?
In this case just about every aggravating factor involved in kidnapping doesn't apply.

And then there is the point that we're discussing this in context of whether it makes Sophia's actions felony murder and the problem there is that it is a tenuous technicality, stacked on top a tenuous technicality when there is both 1) a whole stack of other crimes she committed with much less ambiguity 2) a perfectly serviceable perpetrator with a much stronger case against them.
 
Also, "capitol crimes" are by definition those for which you can be executed, aren't they? I don't think kidnapping by itself reaches that bar, does it?

Yes. Capital crimes are specifically crimes for which the punishment is death (could be commuted, but death is the default).

Also yes, kidnapping in and of itself does not qualify as a capital crime.

Given the sorts of things that kidnapping can play a part in though the end result could very well be a capital crime.

It's funny. See, it's usually illegal to disown an adopted child, and possibly child endangerment.

Well, there's some quibble room there - in the US disownment is perfectly legal for biological or adopted children... provided they're also legal adults.

"Disowning" a minor, however, is not child endangerment but child abandonment. Endangerment means you're putting them into immediate risk to heath, etc.; think dangling a kid off a balcony.

In Massachusetts law abandonment can merit two-five years jail time, a $5000 fine, and child support payments to be determined.

Whatever the legal terms are is completely to the side, however. Carol Dallon unilaterally expelled Panacea from New Wave. In front of impeccable witnesses, and for the shoddiest possible reasoning.

What will she lose? I all but have a bingo grid set up, with squares like "bar license" and "New Wave" as things that are going to go poof-bye-bye because of her boneheaded stupidity.
 
Whatever the legal terms are is completely to the side, however. Carol Dallon unilaterally expelled Panacea from New Wave. In front of impeccable witnesses, and for the shoddiest possible reasoning.

Oh a bit more than that. See kicking her from New Wave is just Bad PR, but this?

"I wash my hands of her. You seem to have need of her; I don't want to ever see her again."

That's kicking a minor out of your house and making them, and so all this?

What will she lose? I all but have a bingo grid set up, with squares like "bar license" and "New Wave" as things that are going to go poof-bye-bye because of her boneheaded stupidity.

Conceivably applies. Especially with the PR issue.
 
Where in the American legal system does it say that you're not responsible for the consequences of something that you brought on yourself after being specifically warned not to do?

Yes and no. If you are warned not to do something that is reasonably known to be illegal, and you do it, then you've committed a crime. But it would be a crime even without the warning.

But just because someone claimed something was illegal does not make it true -- US law enforcement is allowed to lie to people without consequences, and it's not unusual for them to do so.

There is also the concept of illegal orders to consider -- not everything a law enforcement officer tells you to do is a lawful order. If the order is not lawful, you have no obligation whatsoever (at least in the US) to obey it. If the law enforcement officer is lying about you being obligated to obey, you are not obligated to obey. Police make things up to get their way all the time in the US. There are even some orders that police commit a misdemeanor or even a felony simply for giving. What Piggot told Carol about accidentally deliberately breaking the Vikare act is just short of the line of being an illegal order that could result in a decade in prison for Piggot!

Carol does not know the identity of the Swarmbringer beyond the knowledge that EVERYONE has. She cannot out Taylor with what she knows. Even with the Vikare act as you named it, she cannot deliberately out a hero even without the information she was given after signing the first NDA because she does not have that information.

One thing you seem to be not understanding is that US law takes constitutional issues VERY seriously, unlike UK or Australian legal systems. What are guidelines there is all but immutable Law here. There are things even Contessa cannot do without triggering a civil war.

Any crime can be a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the circumstances.

For example, if you're in an argument with someone, they try to leave and you force them to sit down so you can talk it out that's kidnapping (after all you restrained them and moved them without their permission). You really think that's a felony? In this case just about every aggravating factor involved in kidnapping doesn't apply.

And then there is the point that we're discussing this in context of whether it makes Sophia's actions felony murder and the problem there is that it is a tenuous technicality, stacked on top a tenuous technicality when there is both 1) a whole stack of other crimes she committed with much less ambiguity 2) a perfectly serviceable perpetrator with a much stronger case against them.

Murder is never a misdemeanor. Neither is kidnapping. Neither is violent rape. Robbery is not ever a misdemeanor in most places either.

In your example, what you describe is false imprisonment, which I do think is a felony -- because it is a felony. It's also assault & battery, but the most serious of the three charges is the imprisonment. Of the three, only the assault is a misdemeanor, unless you did it armed in which case that too would be a felony (even if your victim never actually saw the weapon).

Sophia's actions meet every criteria for a felony murder charge -- or more specifically, 273 counts of felony murder. It's not tenuous, it's not ambiguous, it's not a technicality. That's how the law actually does work, and how it is intended to work. If you commit a felony and someone dies as a result of that felony, you are a murderer.
 
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Technically, Piggot didn't give an illegal order. She may have lied about whether the actions Carol was proposing to take were illegal, but she didn't order her to do something illegal.

Now, it's quite possible that, if one wished to make issue of it, Carol could go to court to try to get some ruling in her favor regarding the NDA being null and void because it was foisted upon her under false pretenses. Unconscionable contract law or something like that.
 
Technically, Piggot didn't give an illegal order. She may have lied about whether the actions Carol was proposing to take were illegal, but she didn't order her to do something illegal.

Now, it's quite possible that, if one wished to make issue of it, Carol could go to court to try to get some ruling in her favor regarding the NDA being null and void because it was foisted upon her under false pretenses. Unconscionable contract law or something like that.

True, Piggot did not give an illegal order, but if she had ordered Carol to remain silent about things Carol is under no obligation to remain silent about, after making those threats, she would have given one. That's why I said she was right up against the line, not crossed over it.

The NDA only covers what Carol learned from Piggot and Armsmaster after she signed it. Anything she knew before that, that she gained from the general public -- gossip, news media, PHO, etc -- isn't covered by it. She's as free to talk about what she knew before signing it after signing it as she was before signing it.

There is a reason why no news reporters went to prison for reporting on what Edward Snowden leaked -- while he is in trouble for mishandling classified documents, the general public never signed any NDAs about it.
 
I think you mean 'federal'.
He might mean capital, as in potentially a death sentence crime. Kidnapping is not a federal crime except in specific situations
1034. Kidnapping—Federal Jurisdiction | USAM | Department of Justice
Although I gather that doesn't stop the FBI from sticking their nose in (sometimes helping and sometimes not).

I'm fairly sure there's a crime short of "felony kidnapping" that a group of people cornering you in an alley and making fun of you for a while without letting you leave could be accused of
That's not kidnapping. kidnapping
That would be unlawful restraint/false imprisonment, which is generally a felony in itself, and may be accompanied by assault charges as well
Unlawful Restraint
Criminal Law 1240. Felony False Imprisonment :: Justia

It's funny. See, it's usually illegal to disown an adopted child, and possibly child endangerment.
No, it's not. It's illegal to abandon a child, handing a child to a government agency involved with caring for children is perfectly legal. In some juristictions they expand that to anonymously droping off a child at hospitals and similar locations.

Carol just gave up her parental rights and handed them to the government. A potential issue, now that you mentioned it is that government agencies generally assume that if a parent is unable/unwilling to care for one child, they're also not competent to care for any other children they have responsibility for. Given Victoria's age they probably won't make an issue of that unless Victoria wants to get away from her, but they could.

Since he hasn't helped raise her since birth, he'd have to go through the legal system to gain custody,
This is wrong. Legally if the current parent or guardian wants you to take custody of their child, and you're willing to do so you can go through with it with no involvement of the legal system regardless of if there's any blood relationship.

In practice, if there isn't any pre-existing relationship (blood or otherwise) you'd be wise to get a judge to sign off on the agreement just to make sure you don't get some government agent poking their nose in and trying to prove you don't have the right to care for the child. Assuming Marquis was listed as Amy's father on the birth cirtificate, the only reason to get the legal system involved is if she had other relatives who challenged his right to custody, or he wanted to change her legal name.

When he had the Dallon's adopt Amelia there was no legal requirement to get the legal system involved, although as noted it makes the practicalities easier and clearer.

Any crime can be a misdemeanor or a felony depending on the circumstances.
Wrong. There are many crimes which in most, or even all jurisdictions are only felonies regardless of circumstances.
Your own cite does NOT support the claim you made regarding Kidnapping, it notes that
Classification as Misdemeanors or Felonies – Kidnapping
While kidnapping at common law was classified as a misdemeanor, almost every jurisdiction now lists it as a felony.
Basically there might be some jurisdiction where it is still listed as a misdemeanor, but in modern law in all or nearly all jurisdictions it's considered a felony (although there are often degrees of how severe a felony it is).
 
Carol may NOT be able to unilaterally kick somebody out. Sarah is the nominal head of New Wave, not Carol. However, Carol is pretty much the second-in-command, and she is the mother-figure for Amy, so she reasonably feels like she can make it stick. First, she thinks by kicking her out of her family, Amy has no place in New Wave. Second, she feels Amy is untrustworthy, and so her word should be enough, combined with this treacherous action, to convince Sarah and the other grown-ups, who obviously should listen to her wise counsel. Third, she refuses to work with Amy anymore, and probably believes that her unwillingness means it's impossible for Amy to be on the team. She feels it's her or Amy, and hasn't even allowed it to cross her mind that she would need to make that ultimatum, let alone that Amy might be the one they choose.
She is unlikely to react well when she discovers that reality does not match her beliefs in this context.
 
True, Piggot did not give an illegal order, but if she had ordered Carol to remain silent about things Carol is under no obligation to remain silent about, after making those threats, she would have given one. That's why I said she was right up against the line, not crossed over it.

The NDA only covers what Carol learned from Piggot and Armsmaster after she signed it. Anything she knew before that, that she gained from the general public -- gossip, news media, PHO, etc -- isn't covered by it. She's as free to talk about what she knew before signing it after signing it as she was before signing it.

There is a reason why no news reporters went to prison for reporting on what Edward Snowden leaked -- while he is in trouble for mishandling classified documents, the general public never signed any NDAs about it.
Here's the difference between Earth Bet and our world.

If Carol knowingly said to the papers (and they printed it) that "The girl at Denny's is definitely the Swarmbringer, and the PRT is treating her for her injuries, and we shouldn't allow this" then it paves the way for people to identify the fact that Taylor Hebert (recognisable, barely, in the photo) is the girl whose bug powers killed over two hundred people. In other words, she's confirming what people might suspect and broadcasting that information.
Given that the PRT has decided that Taylor is a "hero" as far as the Vikare Act applies, that brings Carol in violation of the Act (linking Taylor Hebert's face to the identity of a powered hero). And any paper that prints it is also, technically, in violation of the Act, especially if they print Taylor's picture with "Swarmbringer" as caption. Of course, if they first contact the PRT and ask for confirmation, and the PRT mentions 'potential breakage of Vikare Act' then they'll back way the fuck off. Unfortunately, it's possible that not all of them will.

Yes, this does have the unfortunate effect that Taylor's face (if not name) is then known to them as the Swarmbringer (and as a hero) but they can't do jack with that information without facing domestic terrorism charges. (And yes, I know. "Freedom of the press". I see that and raise you "Earth Bet", "actual super-powers" and "twenty-nine years of change". Also, "Contessa". The Vikare Act is that strong. If you doubt that, Alexandria wants a word.)

She is unlikely to react well when she discovers that reality does not match her beliefs in this context.
Does anyone, ever?
 
Personal pet peeve: Robin Hood didn't steal from "the rich" to give to "the poor." He stole from the corrupt government officials abusing their position to steal from the peasantry and middle class, and then returned that money to the middle class. A "modern day Robin Hood" would be utterly despised because he would be robbing the Treasury and government officials who are on paid boondoggle junkets and various well-off politicians who are skimming from the public coffers, and giving that money to private citizens of all strata of society. Assuming he was truly as analogous as possible.
Or, to borrow from a perspective I saw raised on TVTropes by way of playing Devil's Advocate: while King Richard was off in the Holy Land squandering money hand-over-fist in his quest to kill Saracens, Prince John was trying to do his brother's actual job, namely being the frakking king, and fulfill the functions of government, which includes paying the damn bills. (Not least being the colossal debts run up by mounting Richard's little ego-trip to the Middle East in the first place!) But since the Church wanted people who went on Crusades to be painted as 'devout servants of the faith', instead of delinquent in their actual obligations to their fiefdom, Prince John not only got stuck with the thankless job of filling in for the actual king, but also got labelled as a 'villain' for trying to keep the country solvent. Was he strict? Yes, but arguably no more than any other ruler of the time. Was there corruption in his government? Show me one government that doesn't have a few wrong'uns in the mix... then show me any human organisation ever that doesn't have at least one 'bent' member.
Robin Hood, on the other hand, was supporting the 'rightful' King and his functionally pointless military adventures thousands of miles from his actual responsibilities devotion to his religious duties, so the Church's preferred narrative placed Hood as the 'loyal opposition and The Real Good Guy' and opposed him to the 'corrupt usurper' (whose main mistake was choosing to stay home and try to do his ever-thankless goddamn job instead of gallivanting off to Jerusalem like the Church said he should).

/derail
 
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This is wrong. Legally if the current parent or guardian wants you to take custody of their child, and you're willing to do so you can go through with it with no involvement of the legal system regardless of if there's any blood relationship.

No, what I wrote is correct. You are conflating the categories "custody" and "guardianship".

A parent can give anyone guardianship over their child, with or without the legal system being involved (for example, due to extended illness or travel). Doing it with legal paperwork is more secure, of course, since it will survive more challenges.

Custody - especially "legal custody" - is a much more significant category. Parents, both by birth and adoption, have a legal right to custody over a child which cannot be taken away except under extraordinary circumstances. It also cannot just be given away - no parent can go to their neighbor and turn over legal custody of their child without any sort of legal process.

Guardianship rights and responsibilities are generally very narrow, rarely extending beyond basic healthcare decisions. Custody rights and responsibilities are very broad, and include everything we might normally include under parenting.

Guardianship is fairly easy to take away - I can give guardianship of my child to a neighbor or relative, but it woudln't take much for a court to revoke it. Custody is much harder to take away. Both parents and the courts can grant or transfer guardianship. Only the courts can terminate or transfer custody. Guardians certainly cannot transfer custody, which you claim above and which is part of why I believe you're confusing the two.

All legal custodians are also guardians, but not all guardians are also custodians.

As father, Marquis should have had more-or-less an automatic right to custody of Amy. He would have had to prove the relationship, of course, and the fact that he wasn't around since birth would have had to be explained. A court might have wanted to see that he wasn't a bum living on the street, but as long as the mother didn't file paperwork seeking to terminate his legal custody of her for good reasons (like abusive behavior), the process should have been fairly smooth.

Before dying, Marquis could legally grant guardianship of Amy to Carol. That, however, is a long way from legal custody, much less adoption. Carol had no legal basis for caring for Amy on any sort of extended basis, so as her temporary guardian she would have had a responsibility to take Amy to the proper legal authorities who then would have decided her custody based on her best interests. Carol certainly could have filed for legal custody and eventually adoption, but it's unlikely that either would have been awarded. Even further guardianship is unlikely.

Put in more general terms, a dying person who hands you a baby saying, "Please, take my son! Save him!" is granting you temporary guardianship of the child, but not custody. As guardian of the child, you have a responsibility to ensure the child's welfare and safety, but you can't keep him permanently. When it's feasible, you have a responsibility to contact the relevant authorities so they can make a determination about legal custody. Depending on what's going on, they might extend your guardianship or they may take that over. You can file for custody if you want, but probably won't be very high on the list of candidates.

Especially if you're the one who killed the child's last living parent. That's just bad form.

The actual specifics of custody and guardianship vary from state to state, and certainly from nation to nation, but in the United States at least the above general principles are true everywhere.
 
no parent can go to their neighbor and turn over legal custody of their child without any sort of legal process.
Depending on what you mean by "legal process" possibly correct, they do need to record that the passed legal custody to their neighbor.

Do you have a cite for your claim? Especially for
He would have had to prove the relationship, of course, and the fact that he wasn't around since birth would have had to be explained.
 
Given that the PRT has decided that Taylor is a "hero" as far as the Vikare Act applies, that brings Carol in violation of the Act (linking Taylor Hebert's face to the identity of a powered hero). And any paper that prints it is also, technically, in violation of the Act, especially if they print Taylor's picture with "Swarmbringer" as caption. Of course, if they first contact the PRT and ask for confirmation, and the PRT mentions 'potential breakage of Vikare Act' then they'll back way the fuck off. Unfortunately, it's possible that not all of them will.

What you describe would be roughly equal in degree of change to the culture and legal system of the US as losing World War Two would have been. Contessa cannot plot a Path to something that is impossible, and this Path would be a 24 hour a day, 365 day a year constant job to keep on track, and the number of people she would need to have murdered to accomplish it would likely be in the hundreds of thousands if not millions. Being conquered by a foreign army could do it in less than 30 years, but nothing short of that could alter US culture to that extent -- and even a conquering army would still be dealing with Resistance movements.
 
It strikes me, @Gindjurra, that you, uh... shall we say you seem to take a very Jeffersonian interpretation of America and its government, rather than acknowledging that pragmatic or realpolitik concerns sometimes necessarily take precedence. I don't deny your right to take that interpretation, of course, but it does place a burden on the individual citizen to be aware of matters of government and law and be actively involved in finding solutions when problems arise. By the same token, if a citizen is that engaged with the legal system, you're assuming they're mature, rational adults; moreover, you're trusting them not only to take action knowing that those actions will have consequences, but to know and accept those consequences when they act.

If that's the case, and people can take full responsibility for the consequences of their own actions... why is it so unreasonable to formally lay out the consequences for certain irresponsible or antisocial acts, then enforce them as written? Which is, in the end, the definition of a law. And the formulation of law is arguably the fundamental purpose of a government.
 
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