Pope Urban's great shock - The 2014 Middle East ISOT'ed to 1095 CE

Im really curious on the development of warfare in this ISOT.

Like, obviously medieval soldiers wouldn't step up against guns so how would the world adapt in the next 50-100 years? My money is on medieval bootleg terrorism and early guerrilla warfare.

For example going full imperialist and releasing your inner Britain and eating the entire middle east for oil is probably just going to make medieval bootleg terrorism happen after crushing armies with tank treads and showing how useless the medieval army would be.


So the medieval army wouldn't. It'd be a clusterfuck and tear apart the entirety of medieval warfare apart in its manual and change warfare forever.

The Downtimers are utterly disadvantaged.
Warfare is pretty much over. Only effective weapon downtimers have are blades to stab the unwary
Because ISIS has weapons far superior to the weapons used in the Middle Ages.
For how long? No industrial base probably can't even feed themselves. Certainly have little ability or inclination to spread jihad to Europe.
 
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Because ISIS has weapons far superior to the weapons used in the Middle Ages.

It's not something that is easy to believe in.

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For how long? No industrial base probably can't even feed themselves. Certainly have little ability or inclination to spread jihad to Europe.

For decades. While with the smallest proper industry, like all ISOTed powers they sit on mountains of refined and ready for recycling steel, copper, exotic alloys, glass, steel tools everywhere, and steel lathes & machine tools in many garages. Not to mention how much machinery average business that produced (for example) wires or fences can have. Their population stands at about 8 million (smaller than the Byzantine Empire, but in the same rough class), while if they conquer Iraq, they would have population broadly comparable in size to Europe. Europe as a whole.

If you can produce chemical fertilizers, and to produce chemical fertilizers you need steel good enough for high-pressure (everywhere) and one engineer able to look at his notes, you can produce modern smokeless explosives. Easily. This can be done, and was done, by lone terrorists working undercover.

In regards to inclination, there is certainly, at least declared, inclination to spread jihad everywhere.

They would be simply nuked by Israel in the case of any true danger to the pre-ISOT Israeli border, though.
 
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You need to be able to fire tens of thousands of rounds consistently, that's not something they will be able to do for long. It's basically the same issue as a zombie apocalypse.

Amazing. Every word in that was wrong.

First of all, it won't be a zombie apocalypse because the total forces? The first crusade number about 35-40,000 crusaders, with about 5K cavalry.

Israel alone has an active military of over 169,000.

Then there's the fact that Medieval formations were tight. The typical weapon of decision was the mounted knight charging. other forces would use arrows, and infantry would play a supporting role, often in tight lines, because getting separated out? Means you die to charging knights.

Oh wait. did I just say: Everyone is marching, upright, in tight formations? Gee, sure would be unfortunate if something bad happened to them, now wouldn't it?

you know something like:
Simple weapon, with a range of several miles, and the ability to drop hellfire on their heads before they even realize they're under attack.

Because Medieval armies don't fight at BVR. They don't fight at the range of miles. The average conflict, when it comes down to the battle means that they may start fighting at less then a few hundred meters.

Which means that this:
Is just as deadly as the mortar, because suddenly, as they're marching along, with nobody in sight, so they know they're safe, and then the commander of hte army (the guy wearing the really fancy stuff because he needs to be seen in combat) drops dead with a hole in him. A few seconds later they hear the "pop" of a round--only nobody knows what it is. You know, because as yet, nobody has even heard of a gun, them being uninvented until the 1300s. All they know is people are keeling over dead, no idea where the death is coming from! A sniper can carry over 100 rounds, more if he has aid. Enjoy a good few minutes killing guys, hope on to the little ATV, drive back for some jerky and replacement ammo, find another location, rinse and repeat.

And worse? It doesn't matter what they do because of :
This magical, nae, daemonic power that lets the commander and troops know exactly where they are. Of course, our hapless medieval troops don't know how it's happening. Just that their every movement is watched and even the gentle shadows of night bring no surcase as the demons continue to kill them using:
Oh, and they bring a 4x4 and some motorbikes to move the platoon around.
Yes. Platoon. 24-36 men are all it takes to shatter the mighty army of the crusaders, killing their commanders from beyond their sight, striking at them when they're helpless at night, running away whenever they are seen, moving faster than men on horses can, and occassionally dropping some 81 mm hellfire into a camp.

And none of these tools are resource intensive. Hell, with the exception of the mortar? None of them are even restricted military tech-- you can find sniper rifles like that and NVG systems in many stores. Israel has more than enough to equip all the soldiers they need. In terms of expending resources? It likely costs Israel less than your typical military exercise, because those are set up to model combat against modern enemies.

In fact, given the resource drain and occupied territories being ROB'd away, it's likely that Israel mothballs the majority of their frontline equipment save for enough to deal with ISIS/ Iraq, because they're utter overkill when it comes to slaughtering downtimers.

TL: DR. Militarily? The Downtimers don't count. At all.
 
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