True, Transformers was the Western adaptation of the Japanese toy brands melded into one after all. Then there's the fact Toei and Sunrise took part of animating the Transformers 86 movie as well and it was pretty well detailed and awesome.

At least Team Prime don't pose like the Ginyu Force, lol.

Indeed, plus Fowler would know that the Autobots are composed of civilian-type Cybertronians who have to take up and fight the Decepticons who were mostly military-type Cybertronians.

The classic reverse psychology in a nutshell.


At least it's a potential goldmine for Transformers Prime fanfics to make use of Windblade where her stasis pod is somehow found by Team Prime during their search for Energon deposits or just stumble on her and join Optimus, chosen of Primus, as the Token Flyer plus her being empowered by Primus himself would come in handy when facing off against Megatron and his Dark Energon and Unicron too as well.

Megatron's Terrorcon apocalypse, Unicron's awakening and Omega Lock hitting Earth: *happens*

Windblade: "I sleep."

Random Decepticons: *just wandering around Earth and minding their own business*

Windblade: "TIME TO GO FOR A VERY ENTHUSIASTIC WALK!"

On the other hand, Megatron would be surprised to see the original Predacons still live. Same with Shockwave who find it logical that only the strongest survives and Predaking would be in a competition with them in the Pecking Order.
The Decepticons mostly being military is a G1 thing I'm pretty sure.

But yes true, it's an excuse to bring Windblade in whenever you want when butterflies cause some random drill to ram directly into her stasis chamber or something lol.

But also yeah, it's kinda one of the major issues with RiD that there's this basically Champion of Primus that was sent to Earth, and apparently just never noticed Unicon Himself waking up?

Alternatively could say that detecting the sudden surge of Dark Energon did wake her up, but it takes a while to come out of being in stasis for that long unassisted/the pod was damaged and she had to thaw out the slow way.

Either way realising she just entirely missed fighting Unicron would certainly be fun to see her reaction lol

In the Aligned verse, weren't the Decepticons mainly lower-class bots, not military-types? The reason so many Decepticons were armed when the conflict broke out was because of their origins in the gladiator arenas.

Or am I missing something?
Yeah that's pretty much the case.

Now, they did also recruit from the military a lot, especially once things really got going, but a lot of their early recruits were either Gladiators or lower class bots that were desperate for things to change.

Which was also one reason so many of those bots died.
 
The Decepticons mostly being military is a G1 thing I'm pretty sure.

But yes true, it's an excuse to bring Windblade in whenever you want when butterflies cause some random drill to ram directly into her stasis chamber or something lol.

But also yeah, it's kinda one of the major issues with RiD that there's this basically Champion of Primus that was sent to Earth, and apparently just never noticed Unicon Himself waking up?

Alternatively could say that detecting the sudden surge of Dark Energon did wake her up, but it takes a while to come out of being in stasis for that long unassisted/the pod was damaged and she had to thaw out the slow way.

Either way realizing she just entirely missed fighting Unicron would certainly be fun to see her reaction lol
And TF Animated as well where most of the Decepticons were larger than Autobots due to their alt-modes being military vehicles bigger than civilian vehicles. Literally towering over them in a nutshell.

Indeed and Windblade might have to acquire a new jet form after waking up from a very long stasis and lost her previous alt-mode similarly like Skyquake. Most likely fom Agent Fowler's jet as part of a classic running gag.

Windblade: *scans his jet*

Agent Fowler: "NOT AGAIN!"

Yeah, Windblade would feel embarrassed that she missed her calling and if the events of Predacons Rising still happen, she may get her chance to throw hands with Unicron possessing Megatron's body as his vessel.
 
Those energy tracks are thanks to Kamen Rider Den-o's Denliner. Also, imagine a Hidden civilization of Predacons on earth.... hevk imagine them also welcoming a bunch of Autobot refugees into their 'colony'
 
Also, imagine a Hidden civilization of Predacons on earth.... hevk imagine them also welcoming a bunch of Autobot refugees into their 'colony'
Yeah, it was weird that the Predacons apparently died off despite there's plenty of Energon deposits to feed off from and those said deposits were somehow untouched by humans at the time.

Then there's the ancient Cybertronians who fought and died on the battlefield of Earth where later on Megatron used Dark Energon to bring their corpses to life and had them attack Optimus Prime and Ratchet in Darkness Rising Saga.

A colony of ancient Predacons and Autobot refugees doesn't sound bad idea plus they form their own faction that Autobots and Decepticons won't push them around.
 
Yeah, it was weird that the Predacons apparently died off despite there's plenty of Energon deposits to feed off from and those said deposits were somehow untouched by humans at the time.

Then there's the ancient Cybertronians who fought and died on the battlefield of Earth where later on Megatron used Dark Energon to bring their corpses to life and had them attack Optimus Prime and Ratchet in Darkness Rising Saga.

A colony of ancient Predacons and Autobot refugees doesn't sound bad idea plus they form their own faction that Autobots and Decepticons won't push them around.
Pretty sure they tried to claim the reason they died off was because of errors in the cloning process?
Also, Optimus Exprime is triple changer with a train and dragon alt-mode
 
Pretty sure they tried to claim the reason they died off was because of errors in the cloning process?
Also, Optimus Exprime is triple changer with a train and dragon alt-mode
Guess Shockwave had sped up the process when making a clone army of Predacons and they later died off due to instability on their genetic material. Hence why he just spent growing the Predaking slowly and surely until the latter is big, strong and stable enough.

And with that, he can make another clone army but more stabilized until Megatron want them destroyed so that they won't be a threat to him even though Predaking was sincere on allying himself with Megatron and meant it.

Megatron had a bad habit of alienating potential allies and end up biting it. Just like his TF One counterpart who ordered the High Guard to aim their guns at the people of Iacon for being followers of Sentinel and burn everything down despite they just turned against him with the reveal of being a Quintesson puppet.

Among the Cogged citizens of Iacon that participated the Iacon 5000 race were the Stunticons (Motormaster, Dragstrip, Deadend, Breakdown and Wildrider), the Vehicon Generals (Tankor and Jetstorm) and the Combaticons (Swindle). It won't be a surprise of them siding with the Autobots, not just because Optimus Prime brought back the flow of Energon to Cybertron but saved them from Megatron's destructive rampage.

No one would want to side with the guy who want them dead and Megatron and the High Guard were banished from Iacon, just them.
 
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Among the Cogged citizens of Iacon that participated the Iacon 5000 race were the Stunticons (Motormaster, Dragstrip, Deadend, Breakdown and Deadend), the Vehicon Generals (Tankor and Jetstorm) and the Combaticons (Swindle). It won't be a surprise of them siding with the Autobots, not just because Optimus Prime brought back the flow of Energon to Cybertron but saved them from Megatron's destructive rampage.

No one would want to side with the guy who want them dead and Megatron and the High Guard were banished from Iacon, just them.
Good point!
 
Aye, and on the other hand, it seems odd about humanity in Aligned continuity never seemed to advance themselves when they got crashed Cybertronian ships, hidden Energon deposits and dead bodies of Transformers littered on Earth over the centuries and they're ripe for the taking even before Optimus and Megatron showed up.

Fast forward to the present day, Earth would have been similar like how Detroit in TF Animated became a futuristic city thanks to Isaac Sumdac who had reverse engineered Megatron's head and made his inventions out of it, building his robotic empire.
 
Go go Godzilla! (?) (I have no idea what GO stands for)

This one, yes lol.

One day, Japan went drunk and say, "Hehe, time to make Optimus Prime a cool train with energy tracks because why not?!"
OP also gets a dragon mode, which in this case I could see resulting from his dino mode in combination with his new flight capabilities, RB did take care to say that those particular scans were... Unpredictable.

Probably not having Train Optimus lol

Those energy tracks are thanks to Kamen Rider Den-o's Denliner. Also, imagine a Hidden civilization of Predacons on earth.... hevk imagine them also welcoming a bunch of Autobot refugees into their 'colony'
Tbf the Predacons nor Autobots in Go can really count as a hidden civilisation... Though they are more examples of Transformers interacting with humans in the past.

Well, they're 'Swordbot' teams in the show but they follow Optimus Prime still, so probably thats some specific unit like the Wreckers.

Yeah, it was weird that the Predacons apparently died off despite there's plenty of Energon deposits to feed off from and those said deposits were somehow untouched by humans at the time.

Then there's the ancient Cybertronians who fought and died on the battlefield of Earth where later on Megatron used Dark Energon to bring their corpses to life and had them attack Optimus Prime and Ratchet in Darkness Rising Saga.

A colony of ancient Predacons and Autobot refugees doesn't sound bad idea plus they form their own faction that Autobots and Decepticons won't push them around.
Pretty sure they tried to claim the reason they died off was because of errors in the cloning process?
Also, Optimus Exprime is triple changer with a train and dragon alt-mode
Honestly if that was what happened I didn't see that explanation in the show... it would make sense though, Cybertronians usually aren't that easily beaten by mere time.

But yeah Optimus getting a dragon mode sounds cool. And he needed an air focused mode rather than just flying around in robot mode anyway.

They're not really refugees though tbf. More that the original leader of the Predacons went into stasis for their self repair to work, and a couple surviving teams of Swordbots went into stasis so that someone would be there to protect the humans whenever Dragotron woke up.

Guess Shockwave had sped up the process when making a clone army of Predacons and they later died off due to instability on their genetic material. Hence why he just spent growing the Predaking slowly and surely until the latter is big, strong and stable enough.

And with that, he can make another clone army but more stabilized until Megatron want them destroyed so that they won't be a threat to him even though Predaking was sincere on allying himself with Megatron and meant it.

Megatron had a bad habit of alienating potential allies and end up biting it. Just like his TF One counterpart who ordered the High Guard to aim their guns at the people of Iacon for being followers of Sentinel and burn everything down despite they just turned against him with the reveal of being a Quintesson puppet.

Among the Cogged citizens of Iacon that participated the Iacon 5000 race were the Stunticons (Motormaster, Dragstrip, Deadend, Breakdown and Deadend), the Vehicon Generals (Tankor and Jetstorm) and the Combaticons (Swindle). It won't be a surprise of them siding with the Autobots, not just because Optimus Prime brought back the flow of Energon to Cybertron but saved them from Megatron's destructive rampage.

No one would want to side with the guy who want them dead and Megatron and the High Guard were banished from Iacon, just them.
It'd make sense if it was due to rushed/incomplete cloning yeah... with the surviving ones being the few lucky enough that their self repair could outpace the degeneration.

Though have also noticed the prime predacons look more like fossils come to life, while the Go! Predacons look more like normal cybertronians.

Quite possibly just something that happens over time

I mean you'd sure think so right? Megatron just couldn't keep his destruction boner in his pants, even after he'd *won*.


Aye, and on the other hand, it seems odd about humanity in Aligned continuity never seemed to advance themselves when they got crashed Cybertronian ships, hidden Energon deposits and dead bodies of Transformers littered on Earth over the centuries and they're ripe for the taking even before Optimus and Megatron showed up.

Fast forward to the present day, Earth would have been similar like how Detroit in TF Animated became a futuristic city thanks to Isaac Sumdac who had reverse engineered Megatron's head and made his inventions out of it, building his robotic empire.

Only think I can really say about that is that by the time humans were advanced enough to actually do that, the only easily accessible remains were the very much still active Decepticons and Team Prime.

The last time the autobots were on earth, which was likely when the Swordbots and Predacons were fighting, the Predacons were remembered as beasts of legend or even demons, and the Autobots likely as legendary warriors.

There are a couple ancient temples in Japan with swordbot teams built into them, but its not like you can give a cybertronian to someone from thousands of years ago and have them reverse engineer computer chips from them - you need a certain base of knowledge to even understand what you're looking at beyond 'big metal cat person'
 
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Yeah. The fact that Earth is so rich in Energon and humans just have no idea it even exists is one of the dumber plot elements of Aligned.

Cause those deposits aren't small, we would have found SOMETHING. And probably used it for bombs.
 
what about Shark Megatron from the beast hunters toyline?

hmm...
imagine if Nessie is a non-hostile Predacon...

Alternately, its an actual monster and the Predacon just guards it.
That one is just... weird, lol. Otoh Optimus getting a dragon mode might well make him decide he needs a beast Mode too.

Frag Predacons Rising, we're having Unicron-damned Beast Wars.

Having a few of the less hostile cryptids or giant monsters be Predacons that are generally just chill could be interesting lol.

Yeah. The fact that Earth is so rich in Energon and humans just have no idea it even exists is one of the dumber plot elements of Aligned.

Cause those deposits aren't small, we would have found SOMETHING. And probably used it for bombs.
It's a conceit required to have humans starting off at a familiar level more than something that actually makes much sense yeah.

At least Unit E is making up for lost time now, building what are basically box trucks with Energon micromissile launchers.

Most of the early developments are probably going to be missiles because just using it as an Explosive and rocket fuel is relatively simple compared to powering a blaster off of it.

Using it as propellant for cannon rounds too and that may well be why Fowler's helicopter hits a bit harder in the final ep of season 2, but there they can't actually go for a full replacement because it makes the guns explode too much, so it's more Energon-laced.

Which still means they need new barrels after every fight but at least they actually work for a bit that way.
 
They're not really refugees though tbf. More that the original leader of the Predacons went into stasis for their self repair to work, and a couple surviving teams of Swordbots went into stasis so that someone would be there to protect the humans whenever Dragotron woke up.
The First Son of Onyx Prime perhaps? Or something along that lines?
 
what about Shark Megatron from the beast hunters
That design technically is of Megatron when he got a Matrix from the Quintessons during the exodus. The Quintessons captured Optimus and scanned the Matrix of leadership so they could understand and create matrixes on a mass produced scale. Megatron ended up getting the Sharkicon matrix of leadership which gives the user the guise of a Sharkicon and complete control over the race. It was swallowed by some wildlife on Aquatron tho
 
It's a conceit required to have humans starting off at a familiar level more than something that actually makes much sense yeah.

At least Unit E is making up for lost time now, building what are basically box trucks with Energon micromissile launchers.

Most of the early developments are probably going to be missiles because just using it as an Explosive and rocket fuel is relatively simple compared to powering a blaster off of it.

Using it as propellant for cannon rounds too and that may well be why Fowler's helicopter hits a bit harder in the final ep of season 2, but there they can't actually go for a full replacement because it makes the guns explode too much, so it's more Energon-laced.

Which still means they need new barrels after every fight but at least they actually work for a bit that way.
i recall a fic where energon had a field that made people think its uninteresting and thats why nobody did anything with it.
 
How Do Sparklings Get Made? + Vehicons and Lore
Cybertronians don't 'interface' to make little cybertronians, and while frame transplants and 'cold-forging' are a thing, both still require a compatible Spark as a base, and both of the latter (but especially frame transplants) have a lot of issues, from full frame rejection to varying levels of frame dysphoria due to not truly matching their Sparks. (Note: Technically 'cold constructed' bodies can be painstakingly matched and designed to match their Spark, which eliminates these problems – the issues are related to the industrial production of product lines, rather than frames matched to individuals.)

Before you can do any of that though, you need a Spark. There are two three main ways of getting this, all of which were used to varying degrees during the Age of Expansion:


1: Titan Sparks put out so much energy that they can support the growth and deployment of Newsparks from onboard HotSpots. This however is not something a Titan can just decide to do – it requires cooperation between Titan and CitySpeaker, and much of the Titan's energy has to go into this process. This often formed the initial stages of various colonies, where a Titan would be sent out as a Colony ship, land, and slowly build up a population in line with how quickly the colony could be built to support them. There are limits to the number of Sparks this method can produce however, and it is quite Energon intensive, leading to these colonies being dependent on external supplies to keep them going. Those produced in this way also tend to take elements from their Titan, so a Beastformer Titan will result in a primarily Beastformer colony, etc.


2: The second option is of course The Well of The Allspark and its connected Hotspots and Colonial Wells. This has always been the way the majority of Cybertronians are created, as well as the seed populations of Mechafauna and Mechaflora that maintained Cybertron's systems.

For much of Cybertron's history, this has also been how most Transformers would have their equivalent of families, either through a Sparkling literally stumbling across them or going on a quest to one of Cybertron's hotspots. Towards the end of the Golden Age the Well of All Sparks was covered over to allow the Sparks that came forth to be harvested immediately, placed in protoform bodies and taught to transform so that they could be assigned to a Guild and function.

This has widely been regarded as a mistake, since while it was indeed 'more efficient' it also effectively prevented middle and lower class Cybertronians from mentoring others and the poor state of many of the bots that came out of this was a major contributor to the unrest that characterized the lead up to the Great War.


3: The third option is the most similar to biological reproduction, though most humans would consider it more akin to a medical or engineering procedure than anything else. Two or more 'bots can have small cuttings from their Sparks removed – the more bots that donate, the less each one needs to contribute which reduces the recovery time – these are then placed together in an Energon-rich nutrient solution where they will merge together and form into a new Spark that can then be allowed to develop or placed in a new chassis as usual. In many cases donors will also donate code snippets which result in the Sparkling being more prone to take on traits of one or more of the donors. This method is technically independent of Primus, however the current state of the war makes it infeasible – not only is it not an environment many wish to bring new Sparklings into, but the process requires a lot of Energon both for the Newspark and to help the donors recover, as well as weakening them for some time. Even before Cybertron went dark, this was mostly used by Colonies without Hotspots, wealthy established code-dynasties on Cybertron such as the House of Ambus, or bots with some wealth that was extremely determined to have a Sparkling that specifically took after them.

If you don't have at least one of the above? You don't get Sparks, period.

So, lets assume you do have a source of Sparks in the form of one or both of the above. What now?

Well, now we have to talk about how those Sparks go from motes of pure energy to living Cybertronians.

In this, there are three main ways it can go:


1: The 'Natural' way, with no additional support until they have created a Protoform.

The Spark settles somewhere rich in Energon and with CyberMatter nearby and forms an initial Protoform around itself. This Protofrom can continue to grow and change as they develop, either with or without the help of a Mentor. This is quite time consuming and relies on both of the above being had in abundance, so tended to only really happen on Cybertron or other highly developed Colonies.


2: Custom-Made Chassis

The Spark is captured and a body is custom built for it to be implanted into, which is then modified, expanded or even replaced as the Sparkling grows. This has most of the benefits of the first option while also being faster and safer for the Sparkling. It is also the closest they get to the organic method of child rearing, in that this involves one or more Cybertronians closely monitoring the Sparkling as they are raised in order to make sure everything develops properly.


3: Constructed Cold/Cold Forging

Introduced after the Well of Allspark's production slowed during the Age of Rust, this effectively skipped all the painstaking customisation and mentoring of the first two and simply implanted sparks into production-line chassis with existing programming. This could be said to be the most 'efficient' method, as these Constructed Cold Cybertronians walk out of the factory knowing everything they need to know to function in society or as a soldier, but effectively skipping the Sparkling stage and being in a body that often just does not feel quite right can lead to many mental issues and sometimes severe Frame Dysphoria. Ironically, given it was the Council and upper caste's decision to make them in the first place, these bots were often discriminated against and thought little better than machines thanks to their initially stilted and simple speech.


From the first two options, you get Sparklings:

Sparklings are surprisingly capable for such young creatures, having a variety of inbuilt programming that allows them to find energy and other resources, recognise danger and – if needed- defend themselves. However they are still young and weak, and there is only so much their programming can help with, especially if resources are more scarce.

This is where Mentors come in, effectively parental figures who, either alone or working together, help protect, provide for and educate these Sparklings in everything that isn't part of this basic survival programming.

In some cases a Sparkling will form with no mentors present and simply develop as it will until it encounters someone.


Most Cold Forged bots are just bots like anyone else, but they most well known examples are the Vehicons.

Vehicons are the result of Shockwave's experiments regarding both third options – originally with the goal of mass producing copies of Megatron's best warriors, he instead found that if you did not care if the donor survived (or, in fact, it was preferable they didn't), even a single Spark could be shattered into many shards – usually between sixty to a hundred twenty depending how strong it is. Likewise, being more economical with the nutrient solution allows these Spark shards to stabilize but are stunted, being unable to power more powerful weapons and chassis and with less well developed free will, at least initially – they can and do still slowly grow, but as disposable grunts most do not survive long enough to do so.

Combining these shattered sparks with cheap and mass-produced chassis results in a Vehicon, one of the main reasons for the Decepticon's numbers advantage later in the war, as they could turn captured Autobots into yet more soldiers.
 
Combining these shattered sparks with cheap and mass-produced chassis results in a Vehicon, one of the main reasons for the Decepticon's numbers advantage later in the war, as they could turn captured Autobots into yet more soldiers.

Huh. Why did Starscream execute Cliffjumper instead of having his Spark harvested?

Or are the sides so tapped out they can't even build the mass-production drone bodies?
 
Huh. Why did Starscream execute Cliffjumper instead of having his Spark harvested?

Or are the sides so tapped out they can't even build the mass-production drone bodies?
Starscream.

But also until they got Shockwave back the Nemesis didn't have the equipment to make more. They just have enough reserves that they don't care that a few die every time they go out
 
But also until they got Shockwave back the Nemesis didn't have the equipment to make more. They just have enough reserves that they don't care that a few die every time they go out
It's a shame that the Vehicon Troopers were depicted as competent Mooks in the early episodes of Transformers Prime, being able to beat and capture Cliffjumper, and had almost done the same to Arcee and Bumblebee until Bulkhead showed up to make them back off.

And then later on, the Vehicons go down quickly like ragdolls whenever Team Prime appear to stop whatever the Decepticons plotted. The only time they did show competence was smacking Optimus in the face with a tree and sent him flying off a cliff in Convoy episode.
 
And then later on, the Vehicons go down quickly like ragdolls whenever Team Prime appear to stop whatever the Decepticons plotted. The only time they did show competence was smacking Optimus in the face with a tree and sent him flying off a cliff in Convoy episode.
i like the fan theory that has it where they fake their deaths most of the time
 
It's a shame that the Vehicon Troopers were depicted as competent Mooks in the early episodes of Transformers Prime, being able to beat and capture Cliffjumper, and had almost done the same to Arcee and Bumblebee until Bulkhead showed up to make them back off.

And then later on, the Vehicons go down quickly like ragdolls whenever Team Prime appear to stop whatever the Decepticons plotted. The only time they did show competence was smacking Optimus in the face with a tree and sent him flying off a cliff in Convoy episode.
i like the fan theory that has it where they fake their deaths most of the time
I feel like this pretty much yeah. Mainly I imagine after that one scene early on where Bulkhead rips out some poor Vehicons guts, the rest of them collectively go 'WTF!?' and start going down after being hit a couple times so he doesn't feel the need to do that.

It would explain why they never seem to have much of a shortage until they accidentally create a Zombie plague and a lot of the Vehicons die containing it.
 
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