Not entirely unreasonable, I guess. When you're super-strong and can fly, the idea that you wouldn't be able to dictate the area of engagement by just, I don't know, bear-hugging a single bad guy and dragging him out into the middle of the Atlantic Ocean before he can reasonably react is a bit hard to swallow.

It's more difficult when the person you're fighting is *also* super strong and can fly.

And it's not like the Superman canon -- even in extremely well received pieces -- has ever shied away from 'Superman punches bad guy through eighteen skyscrapers' sorts of things to begin with. Man of Steel just eats it because people dislike the movie overall, so it doesn't get excused.
 
Mid battle emotional support therapy session. No one has time to drop everything to hear a character's trauma, give a motivational affirming/supportive speech, tell them everything is okay and their emotions are valid and important, give them a pass for whatever trouble their mid battle breakdown caused, hug it out and wipe away their tears like their emotional state is the most important thing in the world while everyone else is struggling to not get slaughtered.

Unless the individual is a walking, weeping McGuffin and necessary for the victory. Unless that. Then the therapy session is a required tactical manoeuvre. Otherwise just WTF.
 
"I think it all started with my mother..."
*Boom*
"What?"
*Ka-boom!*
"I said, I think it started with my mother!"
*BAM!*
"I can't hear you, there's a battle going on!"
 
goes on ao3 because its the only site with a tagging system I understand.
go looking for fic with trans women in it.
finds like, 7 fics in the fandom, 5 of witch are porn. I'm writing one.

every. single. time.
 
When a new character in the protagonist role (whether an OC or a role swap AU situation) winds up casually solving/avoiding every single minor conflict or failure in the story. Someone betrays the party and is able to injure someone? They see it coming and preemptively stop it. A friendly character tragically dies? They just so happen to save them. The party loses the mcguffin and needs to find it again? No, they're smart enough to keep it more secure in this universe.

And I'm not against some of this happening - seeing how a new character changes the events of the story is the big draw of that kind of AU - but it's when they wind up solving every little issue the original party had without running into new problems of their own that it gets annoying.
 
Mid battle emotional support therapy session. No one has time to drop everything to hear a character's trauma, give a motivational affirming/supportive speech, tell them everything is okay and their emotions are valid and important, give them a pass for whatever trouble their mid battle breakdown caused, hug it out and wipe away their tears like their emotional state is the most important thing in the world while everyone else is struggling to not get slaughtered.
I mean, that kind of thing is pretty much canon to a lot of shows... No, it really doesn't make any sense, but they also didn't exactly come up with the idea themselves.
 
goes on ao3 because its the only site with a tagging system I understand.
go looking for fic with trans women in it.
finds like, 7 fics in the fandom, 5 of witch are porn. I'm writing one.

every. single. time.

I am deliberately misunderstanding this to imply you are complaining that you have spontaneously discovered that the fic you are writing became porn without your awareness or intention, thank you. :V
 
I am deliberately misunderstanding this to imply you are complaining that you have spontaneously discovered that the fic you are writing became porn without your awareness or intention, thank you. :V
finally, after like a year of being too unmedicated and depressed i begin to write the third chapter of breaking eggshells.
i go into a feuge state and when i come to i realize i wrote the steamiest petplay smutfic this side of the familar of zero fandom.
 
Killing off established characters for no reason. Sometimes the author does it for shock value, sometimes they don't want an actually good character overshadowing their OC, sometimes they do it for dumber reasons, but it's one of the very few things that makes me drop a story instantly.
 
Killing off established characters for no reason. Sometimes the author does it for shock value, sometimes they don't want an actually good character overshadowing their OC, sometimes they do it for dumber reasons, but it's one of the very few things that makes me drop a story instantly.
What do you consider no reason? Because I have a tendancy to kill off/put on a bus, characters that don't matter to the story I want to tell. I try to make sure those deaths have an impact on other characters/the narrative. But I do like clearing some of the board after a few arcs of adding in extra characters.

I was already concerned I was crossing the line too often with how many characters I got rid of. But I'm curious if the peeve purely comes from the "no reason" part? Like, if I have more than 10 main characters, I'm probably going to kill one off in the current arc, unless I just killed someone off, then I might only put them on a bus, so the actual deaths still have an impact to readers.
 
What do you consider no reason? Because I have a tendancy to kill off/put on a bus, characters that don't matter to the story I want to tell. I try to make sure those deaths have an impact on other characters/the narrative. But I do like clearing some of the board after a few arcs of adding in extra characters.

I was already concerned I was crossing the line too often with how many characters I got rid of. But I'm curious if the peeve purely comes from the "no reason" part? Like, if I have more than 10 main characters, I'm probably going to kill one off in the current arc, unless I just killed someone off, then I might only put them on a bus, so the actual deaths still have an impact to readers.
I mean stuff like a character dying purely because that character died in canon, or the author killing off a character before the story even starts to "make room" for another character (particularly if there's a very obvious alternative).

Like, to give a hypothetical example: imagine a Naruto fic where Sakura dies before graduation and an OC is assigned to team seven in her place, rather than just having Sakura assigned to another team.
 
Like, to give a hypothetical example: imagine a Naruto fic where Sakura dies before graduation and an OC is assigned to team seven in her place, rather than just having Sakura assigned to another team.
Following your example it honestly depends if sakura's death has any impact on Naruto
I think the number was mentioned in Civil War. Though since it's used as an argument for the Sokovia Accords, at least some people think it means the number of people accidentally killed by the Avengers. But as far as I know, there's no proof or supporting evidence for that and it is the only number mentioned when it comes to the battle.
Counterpoint: it is marvel NYC; every week there is some mayor shit going on, people have their own bunkers and someone even managed to snag actual teleporter from some defeated villains /j
The worst kind of AU is really an AU where everything is different, but somehow, none of it ends up mattering. Makes it feel like the fic was not only a waste of time to read, but also to write, because someone clearly put a lot of thought into coming up with a bunch of things that might as well never even have existed at all, for all the difference they ultimately made.
It is my biggest pet peeve after reading Iron Wood, i was so interested in the story it killed a part of me when the undersiders for some reason followed the stations of canon for...shit and giggles?
goes on ao3 because its the only site with a tagging system I understand.
go looking for fic with trans women in it.
finds like, 7 fics in the fandom, 5 of witch are porn. I'm writing one.

every. single. time.
I'd like to point out that tags are subjective, added manually, and are rarely religiously added; a lot of authours slap a few tags that their work includes and that they know in that moment of time are searched, therefore older fics might simply be missing the tag because it was unnecessary or maybe it wasn't even created yet, or maybe the authour didn't even think about adding it.
The only tags i care about is etero/homosexual MCs, sometimes the couples, and genre tags like tragedy, fix-fix, OP MC, gamer, etc...
Frankly i'd love a tag to exclude all explicit works for example, unfortunately there are over twenty tags to descibe 'sex' that i have to manually find and write to even try
 
I mean stuff like a character dying purely because that character died in canon, or the author killing off a character before the story even starts to "make room" for another character (particularly if there's a very obvious alternative).

Like, to give a hypothetical example: imagine a Naruto fic where Sakura dies before graduation and an OC is assigned to team seven in her place, rather than just having Sakura assigned to another team.
Isn't that a pretty good premise for a fanfic, though? "What if this character had died as a child and someone else had to take their place on the protagonists' team? What would this change?" I don't really see anything wrong with that, per se.
 
I mean stuff like a character dying purely because that character died in canon, or the author killing off a character before the story even starts to "make room" for another character (particularly if there's a very obvious alternative).

Like, to give a hypothetical example: imagine a Naruto fic where Sakura dies before graduation and an OC is assigned to team seven in her place, rather than just having Sakura assigned to another team.
I could see your example being used for both scenarios.

Keeping Sakura alive in a story that isn't going to use her could just lead to character bloat. If she isn't on Team 7, readers probably expect to find out where she ended up in life instead of being a ninja. If the author has no interest in shoiwng that, I can understand the desire to just kill the character so readers aren't asking every few chapters when my version of Sakura would show up. I could just put her on a different team or have her never even enter the academy, but I honestly find a lot of series have an issue with not killing off characters enough.

Though if I was going to kill Sakura off pre series and rreplace her, I'd work it into the storyline. Either Root/another village killed civillians with higher than normal chakra, which in turn leads to a lot more isolation between the ninja and the civillians. I'd use the killing of that character to make effective changes in the setting. So I think I'm safe from being included in your peeve.

Isn't that a pretty good premise for a fanfic, though? "What if this character had died as a child and someone else had to take their place on the protagonists' team? What would this change?" I don't really see anything wrong with that, per se.
If I understand correctly, it's about the why you kill that character off. If you just don't want to use a character, you don't nescesarily need to kill them to exclude them from a story. And with certain characters like Sakura, killing them off could be seen by readers as hating on a character (Especially if it seems like it was done for no reason). I think if you want to keep fans of the character you killed off, reading your story, you need to have that death have a narrative reason. Otherwise, just put the character on a bus.
 
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Isn't that a pretty good premise for a fanfic, though? "What if this character had died as a child and someone else had to take their place on the protagonists' team? What would this change?" I don't really see anything wrong with that, per se.
I expect that that premise falls into the category "if it's done well, it'll be interesting/good"*. It can be good, but I expect that most of the times the answer to that question would be "they'd get replaced by my awesome OC/SI and everything would be better". The focus is likely not on the dead character and the aftershocks from said early death, but all about the new character.

Don't misunderstand me, I like OC/SI stories, even those were the OC/SI takes over a canon characters "spot". But if there's an incredibly easy way to achieve that without killing the canon character (for example, the OC/SI outscored Sakura, so she got placed on a different team), killing a character off just to get them out of the way, can feel rather mean spirited.

* that said, I'm a firm believer in the idea that every premise/idea can be turned into a great story with the right combination of ability and care, so saying that it can be good, "if it's done well" doesn't say all that much 😅
 
I don't like the beginning of fanfics that have an SI/OC cursing ROB. It's written to show how cool or anti authoritarian the character is but it feels fake. It feels like fake bravado and I get second hand embarrassment.

Just skip all that. Start the story with the character already in it or at least don't have that weird cringey conversation with an incomprehensibly powerful being.
 
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I don't like the beginning of fanfics that have an SI/OC cursing ROB. It's written to show how cool or anti authoritarian the character is but it feels fake. It feels like fake bravado and I get second hand embarrassment.

Just skip all that. Start the story with the character already in it.
I'll take it a step further: if your SI/OC fic starts in any way or fashion with either showing some omnipotent god character referred to as ROB, or has the MC cursing them out, there's a good 95% chance I'm dropping your fic right then and there. Life is too short to bother going past a shitty ROB opening in the already mostly garbage genre that is SI fics.
 
ROBs are a dumb, self-referential and twee solution to problems that don't actually exist. They're to solve the problem of how an SI ends up in the fiction, and maybe give a quick explanation of why the SI has powers and how they totally don't need to worry about any drama or angst over their family and friends because the ROB will send them right back when everything is done.

The thing is, none of these are actually problems. Nobody cares how a self insert ends up inserted unless it directly matters to the story, if the SI is trying to get home. They can just be there! Truck, bus, falling asleep and waking up somewhere else, it doesn't matter!

Same thing for whatever BS powerset you want to give your SI! Just do it! It's probably more fun to watch them figure it out then get a manual from the smug overpowered author insert (as opposed to the less smug, not yet overpowered author insert that is the actual SI).

Same thing with angst! Give it a token lip service in a few sentences and move on, you don't need to explain it in depth, no one is reading an SI fic for that.
 
I don't really read a lot of Isekai stories, but are Random Omnipotent Beings as an explanation behind the MC getting teleported really that bad? At worst, it just seems like a wasted plot hook (if the story never mentions it again).
 
Following your example it honestly depends if sakura's death has any impact on Naruto
Isn't that a pretty good premise for a fanfic, though? "What if this character had died as a child and someone else had to take their place on the protagonists' team? What would this change?" I don't really see anything wrong with that, per se.
I could see your example being used for both scenarios.
Yeah, but if it were any of that, then the death would have happened for a reason. This peeve is for when there's no reason for the character to have to die. Going back to my hypothetical, if "Sakura died" could be replaced with "Sakura dropped out of the academy" and it wouldn't change anything, then Sakura's death was pointless.
 
I don't really read a lot of Isekai stories, but are Random Omnipotent Beings as an explanation behind the MC getting teleported really that bad? At worst, it just seems like a wasted plot hook (if the story never mentions it again).

It's more that they are pointedly a wasted plot hook.

The "traditional" start to an Isekai story is just appearing with no explanation at all.
It's easy because you don't have to write anything!
If there is anything relevant, it can come up later.

Instead the author chooses to have a conversation.
And then after choosing to have a conversation, then make the further choice to make one of the participants Random.
Because that's part of R.O.B, Random Omnipotent Being.
As in, this is not a character with relevant character traits that will be important to the story, it is a random, inscrutable event that is inflicted on the MC without any rhyme or reason.

But not an event, a person with a face they can scream at.
But not in a useful way, they are too Random and Omnipotent for the screaming to actually prevent an adventure, but they can have pointless screaming without worrying about actually getting dumped back in their boring, normal life.

It's really frustrating when you realize how carefully the author is navigating through the conversation to avoid any meaningful storytelling.
But they still insist on having the conversation.
 
It's more that they are pointedly a wasted plot hook.

The "traditional" start to an Isekai story is just appearing with no explanation at all.
It's easy because you don't have to write anything!
If there is anything relevant, it can come up later.

Instead the author chooses to have a conversation.
And then after choosing to have a conversation, then make the further choice to make one of the participants Random.
Because that's part of R.O.B, Random Omnipotent Being.
As in, this is not a character with relevant character traits that will be important to the story, it is a random, inscrutable event that is inflicted on the MC without any rhyme or reason.

But not an event, a person with a face they can scream at.
But not in a useful way, they are too Random and Omnipotent for the screaming to actually prevent an adventure, but they can have pointless screaming without worrying about actually getting dumped back in their boring, normal life.

It's really frustrating when you realize how carefully the author is navigating through the conversation to avoid any meaningful storytelling.
But they still insist on having the conversation.
So the main issue is that a ROB functionally drops out of the story before it starts, thus rendering their presence unneeded? Would making the entity either more lore-relevant and/or more active in directing the main character fix this issue?
 
It definitely works better in published works when they do that. After all, lots of published stories use a variety of omnipotent beings to justify the plot, it's just that any given work will use specific ones rather than some sort of generic stand in for whichever one the reader wants to think of.
 
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