Geeze at this rate I'm half expecting the imperials to start shifting around subject populations for the sole purpose of keeping them at each others throats.
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Peace in Our Time! - A TRO Inspired Franco-British Union Quest
- Thread starter Fission Battery
- Start date
- Alt. History
- Location
- Fort Worth, TX
We just need to give land grants and relocation assistance to suitable Christian anticomnunist people to help dilute native sentiment.
- Location
- The observable universe
Oh yeah idk if it was mentioned before but whats the status of the papcy ittl
Rolen von Keng
Sleeping Green Bear
- Location
- The Wilderness
I think we should rehire those French civil servants of the colonial so we can have knowledge of the area, even if it is from a French point of view. Start introducing bilingualism in select schools, and maybe in the civil service?
Demobilization has to slowly be introduced. The colonies must be shored up with instructors, equipment, and manuals. Local leaders have to be introduced into power, their heirs educated by us, and their people inundated with our influence and manufactured goods. Ireland has to worked with or just take a stance of non-interference when it comes to religion, maybe? Soviet Onion and Japan has to be slowly peeled with insurgents (OTL US type of insurgency, nothing ever goes wrong, yep yep), and spies have to be developed further. South America needs to be brought into our sphere slowly. The dominions need to be negotiated with for the Imperial Federation plan, or at least developed further with subsidies and the like to be more amenable to it.
What's going on with Iceland and Greenland?
Demobilization has to slowly be introduced. The colonies must be shored up with instructors, equipment, and manuals. Local leaders have to be introduced into power, their heirs educated by us, and their people inundated with our influence and manufactured goods. Ireland has to worked with or just take a stance of non-interference when it comes to religion, maybe? Soviet Onion and Japan has to be slowly peeled with insurgents (OTL US type of insurgency, nothing ever goes wrong, yep yep), and spies have to be developed further. South America needs to be brought into our sphere slowly. The dominions need to be negotiated with for the Imperial Federation plan, or at least developed further with subsidies and the like to be more amenable to it.
What's going on with Iceland and Greenland?
The General Election of 1952
===
The General Election of 1952
===
The people were not happy. It was no understatement to say that they were downright miffed, peeved, and extremely furious. Eden's government had nearly charted a course of modest paternal reform to shape the postwar how they wanted. It nearly worked, if not for the fact their policies were watered down versions of genuinely popular proposals. It was difficult to claim credit for accomplishments when the politicians and organizers that had actually crafted them critiqued the government for failing to implement the full program. While Algeria and Corsica remained pleased with their special status within the Franco-British Union, that didn't translate to support for the Tories. They remained in their own sphere separate from the British half of the union.
Maintaining conscription in the form of the national service was an unpopular decision. It was barely tolerated because of the possibility of alternative service outside of military service. That changed with the beginning of the ongoing Bengal Intervention. While Indians bore the brunt of the casualties, London's decision to deploy the BEF to the conflict meant British lives were on the line. The escalating scale and deadliness of the conflict meant lives were spent quickly and cheaply, forcing the nominally all volunteer force to be rebuilt several times with conscripts. As the election began bodies continued coming back home. The people would put up with it no longer. They didn't want a continuation of war time policies. They wanted a break from Churchill and Eden's policies. Anti-Japanese and anti-Indian propaganda could only get so far, especially when there were little gains to show for the costs.
The uptick in trade and normalized relations with many countries were major victories. America's refusal to throw bodies away at New Delhi's war was regarded by many voters as a sensible if regrettable decision. Commonwealth countries suffered similar backlash over the decision to send soldiers to die because London requested it. The supposed blow against Japan's power in the region never came, leaving Ottawa and Canberra with little to show for their decision to get involved. Nonetheless, CAN's unity holds strong and the people feel that if nothing else its alliances are stronger than they were before or during the war. The foreign policy wins didn't help domestic outrage over the war and half-hearted reforms.
Nearly everyone was already calling the election before it began. It was nearly a forgone conclusion. Labour was all but guaranteed a win.
===
This is the 1952 general election. It's key to shaping the initial post war consensus in Franco-British politics. The votes are weighted to represent the electorate's vibe.
French political parties will be unable to form a majority government on their own, no matter how many votes they may receive. They must always form a coalition if they want to form a government. The nationality in brackets indicates where they're running and drawing their support base from. As the Union is relatively new and unintegrated there's yet to be cross national party mergers and cadet branches.
There's two rounds of voting to decide government policies. The first is the general election to determine which party or coalition wins power. The next is determining domestic, foreign, and colonial policy through a mix of write-ins and selecting options, and if you'll actually follow through with campaign promises. Generally it's a bad idea to elect, say Labour, then implement austerity and privatization without the party threatening to revolt or splinter.
Parties may form a coalition with each other if the option is provided below their name. Players tick the box to merge them when voting for them. If players do not want to form a coalition then they do not need to include the option. If one party is in favour of a coalition with another party, but the other one isn't then this represents a confidence and supply agreement.
Players can vote for 1 British Party and 1 French Party, and as many Coalition partners as they want.
[ ] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[ ] Coalition: Radicals
Promising sweeping changes to the FBU, they plan to implement many social democratic policies to improve general welfare and labour reforms, while maintaining a pragmatic foreign policy to keep the empire together. They are distrustful of America's demands. They've yet to gut themselves on the altar of appeasing capital. Ostensibly neutral on the Soviets, they are in favour of a coalition with the Radicals to pull them away from the Tories. They also want to build closer ties between Britain and France to make the union more functional.
The Labour Party's program of Kenysian economics, welfare reform, and nationalization of major utilities and companies is popular, extremely popular. The people want change and Labour promises to deliver it. The red flag is well on its way to rising above London.
All votes for Labour count as 1.5 votes.
[ ] Tory (British), Anthony Eden
-[] Coalition: Liberals
-[] Coalition: Conservative Bloc
-[] Coalition: Christian Democrats
-[] Coalition: Radicals
Promising less than radical change, the Tories plan to implement limited Keynesian economic policies to appease the masses, while working hard to keep businesses happy through tax breaks, private-public partnerships, and limited privatization. Maintaining the empire and FBU's position as a great power is paramount to their foreign policy, keeping America as a friend at arm's length. Limited austerity measures will cut the "fat" where possible, leaving services like schooling in a mix of private-church-public hands. They're fine maintaining the non-integrated system of the union, though could be roused to action if pressed by coalition partners.
The Tories nearly managed to thread the needle, doing the bare minimum to appease the voters while changing the party program as little as possible. It might have worked if they hadn't stuck their arm into Bengal, perhaps they could have broken even again. That's no longer the case. Protests against Eden's government increase with every coffin that returns home. The use of conscripts in the conflict have caused major outrage amongst the voters. Desperate for support, the Tories open themselves up to a coalition with every non-Labour party.
All votes for the Tories count as 0.6 votes
[ ] Liberal Party (British), Archibald Sinclair
-[] Coalition: Tory
Its economic policies of free market reforms and relatively free trade are less appealing than they were decades ago. The party has little to offer the war weary people of the FBU, besides in the realm of foreign policy. Sinclair had spent his pre-war career arguing in favour of collective security action against the growing dictators on the continent. In the unlikely event of a Liberal led coalition, the League of Nations will be placed front and center in their foreign policy. With little hope of winning on their own, they're prepared to form a coalition with the Radicals and Tories.
Their focus on foreign affairs won them modest support, but with the Tories in disarray they've begun shilling their domestic policies in the hopes of gaining more votes. Classical liberalism is not popular. Sinclair's leadership is under threat from more radical members of the party. The election will make or break his position.
All votes for the Liberal Party count as 0.8 votes
[ ] Conservative Bloc (French), Francois Darlan
-[] Coalition: Tory
A collection of centre-right to far right parties bludgeoned together into a semi-cohesive bloc under the leadership of Admiral Darlan. De Gaulle is a major figure in it. It is republican aligned, pro-church while remaining secular, and favours a strong hand in economic affairs, while giving tax breaks to small businesses and landowners. It refuses to recognize the Commune of France as a legitimate government and wishes to maintain a strong French voice in parliament. Whether it be integration or more special exceptions, France's name was in the country's name and they would make sure London remembered that.
The influx of Vichy refugees has only increased Darlan's control over the bloc, edging out De Gaulle's influence. Their policies are functionally similar, divided only by personal loyalty. The only thing that keeps them in the same party is the desire to maintain a strong united front for Algerian interests.
All votes for the Conservative Bloc count as 1.2 votes
[ ] Christian Democrats (French), Robert Schuman
-[] Coalition: Tory
The centre-right that refuses to align itself with the admiral or general, distrusting the strongmen militarists. Their policies are the usual sort where charity is expected to substitute public welfare and a friendly relation with the church. They are opposed to secularism and wish to create a Catholic republic. It's a socially conservative, centrist party. Schuman voted to give Petain dictatorial powers in 1940, but left the government shortly afterwards. He reframed his position on that as necessary to stop communism in France, while making sure to condemn Petain's regime for collaboration.
Despite the string of assassinations against many of their members, the Christian Democrats have moderate support from theocratic Vichy refugees. They've received some support from the rare British Catholic and North Irish voter, though these are marginal gains compared to their losses in Algeria.
All votes for the Christian Democrats count as 0.8 vote
[ ] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[] Coalition: Tory
-[] Coalition: Liberals
-[] Coalition: Labour
A collection of centre-left social liberals and conservative liberals that are generally socially conservative, but in favour of government intervention into the economy and strongly support secularism. It is strongly anti-communist. Rene Pleven, the party's leader, believes strongly in the FBU and League of Nations to maintain Europe's relevance in global politics. Less flashy or glamorous than the Conservative Bloc's collection of war heroes, the Radicals still maintain widespread support among Algeria's "working class" and moderates.
After a successful term as coalition partners they're jumping ship to show their support for Labour, swinging leftwards to the right flank of Labour.
All votes for the Radicals count as 1 vote
The General Election of 1952
===
The people were not happy. It was no understatement to say that they were downright miffed, peeved, and extremely furious. Eden's government had nearly charted a course of modest paternal reform to shape the postwar how they wanted. It nearly worked, if not for the fact their policies were watered down versions of genuinely popular proposals. It was difficult to claim credit for accomplishments when the politicians and organizers that had actually crafted them critiqued the government for failing to implement the full program. While Algeria and Corsica remained pleased with their special status within the Franco-British Union, that didn't translate to support for the Tories. They remained in their own sphere separate from the British half of the union.
Maintaining conscription in the form of the national service was an unpopular decision. It was barely tolerated because of the possibility of alternative service outside of military service. That changed with the beginning of the ongoing Bengal Intervention. While Indians bore the brunt of the casualties, London's decision to deploy the BEF to the conflict meant British lives were on the line. The escalating scale and deadliness of the conflict meant lives were spent quickly and cheaply, forcing the nominally all volunteer force to be rebuilt several times with conscripts. As the election began bodies continued coming back home. The people would put up with it no longer. They didn't want a continuation of war time policies. They wanted a break from Churchill and Eden's policies. Anti-Japanese and anti-Indian propaganda could only get so far, especially when there were little gains to show for the costs.
The uptick in trade and normalized relations with many countries were major victories. America's refusal to throw bodies away at New Delhi's war was regarded by many voters as a sensible if regrettable decision. Commonwealth countries suffered similar backlash over the decision to send soldiers to die because London requested it. The supposed blow against Japan's power in the region never came, leaving Ottawa and Canberra with little to show for their decision to get involved. Nonetheless, CAN's unity holds strong and the people feel that if nothing else its alliances are stronger than they were before or during the war. The foreign policy wins didn't help domestic outrage over the war and half-hearted reforms.
Nearly everyone was already calling the election before it began. It was nearly a forgone conclusion. Labour was all but guaranteed a win.
===
This is the 1952 general election. It's key to shaping the initial post war consensus in Franco-British politics. The votes are weighted to represent the electorate's vibe.
French political parties will be unable to form a majority government on their own, no matter how many votes they may receive. They must always form a coalition if they want to form a government. The nationality in brackets indicates where they're running and drawing their support base from. As the Union is relatively new and unintegrated there's yet to be cross national party mergers and cadet branches.
There's two rounds of voting to decide government policies. The first is the general election to determine which party or coalition wins power. The next is determining domestic, foreign, and colonial policy through a mix of write-ins and selecting options, and if you'll actually follow through with campaign promises. Generally it's a bad idea to elect, say Labour, then implement austerity and privatization without the party threatening to revolt or splinter.
Parties may form a coalition with each other if the option is provided below their name. Players tick the box to merge them when voting for them. If players do not want to form a coalition then they do not need to include the option. If one party is in favour of a coalition with another party, but the other one isn't then this represents a confidence and supply agreement.
Players can vote for 1 British Party and 1 French Party, and as many Coalition partners as they want.
[X] Party X
-[X] Coalition: Party Y
That means Party X will invite Party Y into the government if it wins.
[X] Party X
No coalition sub-vote means Party X will not seek out Party Y, but will still accept a confidence and supply agreement from Party Y.
-[X] Coalition: Party Y
That means Party X will invite Party Y into the government if it wins.
[X] Party X
No coalition sub-vote means Party X will not seek out Party Y, but will still accept a confidence and supply agreement from Party Y.
[ ] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[ ] Coalition: Radicals
Promising sweeping changes to the FBU, they plan to implement many social democratic policies to improve general welfare and labour reforms, while maintaining a pragmatic foreign policy to keep the empire together. They are distrustful of America's demands. They've yet to gut themselves on the altar of appeasing capital. Ostensibly neutral on the Soviets, they are in favour of a coalition with the Radicals to pull them away from the Tories. They also want to build closer ties between Britain and France to make the union more functional.
The Labour Party's program of Kenysian economics, welfare reform, and nationalization of major utilities and companies is popular, extremely popular. The people want change and Labour promises to deliver it. The red flag is well on its way to rising above London.
All votes for Labour count as 1.5 votes.
[ ] Tory (British), Anthony Eden
-[] Coalition: Liberals
-[] Coalition: Conservative Bloc
-[] Coalition: Christian Democrats
-[] Coalition: Radicals
Promising less than radical change, the Tories plan to implement limited Keynesian economic policies to appease the masses, while working hard to keep businesses happy through tax breaks, private-public partnerships, and limited privatization. Maintaining the empire and FBU's position as a great power is paramount to their foreign policy, keeping America as a friend at arm's length. Limited austerity measures will cut the "fat" where possible, leaving services like schooling in a mix of private-church-public hands. They're fine maintaining the non-integrated system of the union, though could be roused to action if pressed by coalition partners.
The Tories nearly managed to thread the needle, doing the bare minimum to appease the voters while changing the party program as little as possible. It might have worked if they hadn't stuck their arm into Bengal, perhaps they could have broken even again. That's no longer the case. Protests against Eden's government increase with every coffin that returns home. The use of conscripts in the conflict have caused major outrage amongst the voters. Desperate for support, the Tories open themselves up to a coalition with every non-Labour party.
All votes for the Tories count as 0.6 votes
[ ] Liberal Party (British), Archibald Sinclair
-[] Coalition: Tory
Its economic policies of free market reforms and relatively free trade are less appealing than they were decades ago. The party has little to offer the war weary people of the FBU, besides in the realm of foreign policy. Sinclair had spent his pre-war career arguing in favour of collective security action against the growing dictators on the continent. In the unlikely event of a Liberal led coalition, the League of Nations will be placed front and center in their foreign policy. With little hope of winning on their own, they're prepared to form a coalition with the Radicals and Tories.
Their focus on foreign affairs won them modest support, but with the Tories in disarray they've begun shilling their domestic policies in the hopes of gaining more votes. Classical liberalism is not popular. Sinclair's leadership is under threat from more radical members of the party. The election will make or break his position.
All votes for the Liberal Party count as 0.8 votes
[ ] Conservative Bloc (French), Francois Darlan
-[] Coalition: Tory
A collection of centre-right to far right parties bludgeoned together into a semi-cohesive bloc under the leadership of Admiral Darlan. De Gaulle is a major figure in it. It is republican aligned, pro-church while remaining secular, and favours a strong hand in economic affairs, while giving tax breaks to small businesses and landowners. It refuses to recognize the Commune of France as a legitimate government and wishes to maintain a strong French voice in parliament. Whether it be integration or more special exceptions, France's name was in the country's name and they would make sure London remembered that.
The influx of Vichy refugees has only increased Darlan's control over the bloc, edging out De Gaulle's influence. Their policies are functionally similar, divided only by personal loyalty. The only thing that keeps them in the same party is the desire to maintain a strong united front for Algerian interests.
All votes for the Conservative Bloc count as 1.2 votes
[ ] Christian Democrats (French), Robert Schuman
-[] Coalition: Tory
The centre-right that refuses to align itself with the admiral or general, distrusting the strongmen militarists. Their policies are the usual sort where charity is expected to substitute public welfare and a friendly relation with the church. They are opposed to secularism and wish to create a Catholic republic. It's a socially conservative, centrist party. Schuman voted to give Petain dictatorial powers in 1940, but left the government shortly afterwards. He reframed his position on that as necessary to stop communism in France, while making sure to condemn Petain's regime for collaboration.
Despite the string of assassinations against many of their members, the Christian Democrats have moderate support from theocratic Vichy refugees. They've received some support from the rare British Catholic and North Irish voter, though these are marginal gains compared to their losses in Algeria.
All votes for the Christian Democrats count as 0.8 vote
[ ] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[] Coalition: Tory
-[] Coalition: Liberals
-[] Coalition: Labour
A collection of centre-left social liberals and conservative liberals that are generally socially conservative, but in favour of government intervention into the economy and strongly support secularism. It is strongly anti-communist. Rene Pleven, the party's leader, believes strongly in the FBU and League of Nations to maintain Europe's relevance in global politics. Less flashy or glamorous than the Conservative Bloc's collection of war heroes, the Radicals still maintain widespread support among Algeria's "working class" and moderates.
After a successful term as coalition partners they're jumping ship to show their support for Labour, swinging leftwards to the right flank of Labour.
All votes for the Radicals count as 1 vote
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[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
the people want Labour, it will help strengthen the fbu more than the other options and a large voting block it would give the goverment a decsiive mandate.
Edit: also what hewhoadds said let us embrace the cursness of trying to make the fbu work
the people want Labour, it will help strengthen the fbu more than the other options and a large voting block it would give the goverment a decsiive mandate.
Edit: also what hewhoadds said let us embrace the cursness of trying to make the fbu work
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
*Sips tea*
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
*Sips tea*
- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Just for spice I'm hoping the radicals can slightly edge out labour.
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Just for spice I'm hoping the radicals can slightly edge out labour.
dex10awesome
Anarcho-Determinist
- Location
- Australia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Liberal Party (British), Archibald Sinclair
-[X] Coalition: Tory
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Tory
-[X] Coalition: Liberals
-[X] Coalition: Labour
-[X] Coalition: Tory
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Tory
-[X] Coalition: Liberals
-[X] Coalition: Labour
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Astra Myst
Do you want a wish?
- Location
- Milky Way Galaxy
- Pronouns
- Femhon/Boymoder
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
We'll find a way to fuck up this one don't you worry
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
We'll find a way to fuck up this one don't you worry
- Location
- Auckland
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
- Location
- The observable universe
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Might as well do the opposite, try to fix the empire and fail at that instead
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Might as well do the opposite, try to fix the empire and fail at that instead
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
While the idea of the Tory "Coalition with literally everyone except Labour" is funny, I think the Tories have run their course and it will be far more funny to see them get completely and utterly obliterated in the polls.
While the idea of the Tory "Coalition with literally everyone except Labour" is funny, I think the Tories have run their course and it will be far more funny to see them get completely and utterly obliterated in the polls.
- Location
- Reno
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Seeing every party except labour and the radicals out of government would be very funny, just saying! I want to see all those seats swept clean for our new labour overlords! 
- Location
- Somewhere in the area
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Obviously what we need to do is redraw the colonial maps, correctly this time! I'm sure nothing bad will come out of establishing a trend of doing this with every new administration.
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Obviously what we need to do is redraw the colonial maps, correctly this time! I'm sure nothing bad will come out of establishing a trend of doing this with every new administration.
LuxemburgLover69
There are more things between Heaven and Earth...
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Liberal Party (British), Archibald Sinclair
-[X] Coalition: Tory
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Tory
-[X] Coalition: Liberals
-[X] Coalition: Labour
-[X] Coalition: Tory
[X] Radicals (French), Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Tory
-[X] Coalition: Liberals
-[X] Coalition: Labour
MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Now to see if the dice fucks us over
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
Now to see if the dice fucks us over
- Location
- Phoenix, Arizona
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
I have nothing but the utmost faith in Labour to fumble the bag entirely, and set us up for the GLORIOUS TORY RETURN of 1956. They'll come crawling back when they realize their "social welfare" and "being more competent" doesn't earn them the same warm glowing feeling as kicking a poor person in the street.
-[X] Coalition: Radicals
[X] Radicals, Rene Pleven
-[X] Coalition: Labour
I have nothing but the utmost faith in Labour to fumble the bag entirely, and set us up for the GLORIOUS TORY RETURN of 1956. They'll come crawling back when they realize their "social welfare" and "being more competent" doesn't earn them the same warm glowing feeling as kicking a poor person in the street.
[X] Labour (British), Clement Attlee
[X] Christian Democrats (French), Robert Schuman
[X] Christian Democrats (French), Robert Schuman
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