Peace in Our Time! - A TRO Inspired Franco-British Union Quest
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[X] Take on France's WW1 debt.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
[X] Take on France's WW1 debt.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
[X] Refuse. America recognizes Socialist France
[X] Write In: Insist on a border incident that would have the Americans involved in the war.
[X] Write In: Insist on a border incident that would have the Americans involved in the war.
[X] Take on France's WW1 debt.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
[X] Accept, provide India supplies, air support, and deniable volunteers to help them retake Bengal. Risks war escalating the situation into a full blown crisis.
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[X] Take on France's WW1 debt
[X] Write In: Insist on a border incident that would have the Americans involved in the war.
[X] Write In: Insist on a border incident that would have the Americans involved in the war.
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The establishment would have stopped it from happening just like they did with all the other crazy ideas.
Ehhh I don't think that is likely, think the winning state is if the French British Union survives in some form and as not a puppet.
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I think I will go with the accelerationist route instead \
Wonder what would happen if the vote to withdraw recognition from the ussr and japan went through
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If we could make the Britain quest about playing Britain, and not about screwing ourselves over intentionally in the hopes that somehow we might get a wholesome 100 communist revolution, I'd really appreciate that. That isn't directed at anyone in particular, more at what seems to be a bit of a trend?
The person that suggested that would have been politely escorted from the room and their security clearance revoked.
Britain was less psychotic about recognizing the Soviets than America was, and America didn't seriously suggest declaring the Soviets a rogue state. So it wouldn't have gone through. It'd be watered down to signal a policy of cutting a lot of ties with them and hostility on the world stage.
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Yeah. The "funni policies run into reality headfirst" are kinda a signal not to try accelerationism.
Just pull a Murdoch: destroy independent news media, gut the BBC, and turn the country slowly psychotic. Those old boys networks are already doing their best to make sure that happens regardless.
Mashriqi
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Although I'd love a wholesome 100 communist revolution, we are playing a brutal Imperialist Empire so it's best we act like one ... with pragmatism of course.
1951, America Joins the League of Nations
Prime Minister Eden (left) with Secretary of State Dulles (right)
[] Take on France's WW1 debt
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1951, America Joins the League of Nations
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London was not thrilled with the decision. It galled many to have to pick up a tab that the government had so expertly ignored, but the time to pay the piper had come. It'd mean remaining in debt to America for many more years to come, but the immediate benefit was the strengthening of CAN. It meant another great power was freezing Socialist France out of the LoN, but the Soviets were willing to accept it in exchange for America recognizing the rest of its allies as legitimate states. The details were hammered out in negotiations held between Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, who met with Prime Minister Eden and Foreign Secretary Sinclair over the course of several weeks. Dulles himself had pushed for America to join the LoN. He was one of the leading voices behind it in President Taft's administration. His family also had major financial ties to American companies that invested into Nazi Germany before WW2. Money that they were unlikely to get back as many corporate branch owners in Germany were executed for their ties to the regime.
It'd be incorrect to say it was driven by some internationalist idealism. A practical man, Dulles understood the power of collective security. American isolationism had to be balanced with alliances to ensure its interests were protected abroad. He had helped define Taft's policy of normalization with non-rival great powers, while pursuing aggressive interventions in America's backyard against potentially hostile regimes. The Republican administration did not want a repeat of the 30s where isolation became a byword for "covering our eyes to pretend everything's a-okay in the world." The threat of Japan was evident to all in Washington, who was so far removed from the immediate threat the Soviets posed to Franco-British Europe that lukewarm relations with the Soviets were tolerable for the time being. That did not mean a tolerance for communism however, proven by the many innocents murdered by American marines in Central America.
So, the Franco-British Union swallowed a bitter pill and agreed to pay off France's WW1 debt to America in order to avoid weakening CAN or suffering a humiliating repeat of America's refusal to join the LoN during the Interwar Period. It did not receive a special position in the League like Britain or the Soviets held. While some in Washington considered it a diplomatic snub, President Taft didn't want further entanglement with the inner workings of the League. While London didn't want America getting any special privileges in the League, especially veto power. Eden's government couldn't risk the possibility of America vetoing a British invitation or decision. It did receive a seat on the Permanent Court of International Justice to ease outrageous concerns that Americans would suddenly be tried in London or Moscow. The decision to ratify the treaty to join had bipartisan support from the Republicans and Democrats, allowing it to pass.
History was made as America finally bothered to show up to an international organization, and stop pretending it could ignore European affairs. The sting of defeat had forced Washington to swallow its pride like a bitter pill. It was hailed as a sign of America stepping out onto the world stage in a new way. It was immediately criticized in an assembly meeting in late 1951 by the Soviet delegation for its racial segregation laws. Foreign Minister Zhdanov himself attended to personally denounce the barbaric practice of lynching. The American delegation shot back remarks denouncing communism as a tyrannical godless system. The previous discussion got lost in the shouting that ensued. The system was working as intended. It was hailed as a major step towards world peace by idealists and pragmatic compromise by realists. If nothing else, American manpower and resources helped the LoN's agencies. Its inclusion granted it more legitimacy as a global institution rather than a club for Franco-British's allies. The Health Organization benefited greatly from gaining access to American research, including taking a leading role in coordinating vaccine and education efforts across member states. It was mainly the developed ones that saw immediate benefit, but it laid the groundwork for international collaboration. HO took an active role in coordinating efforts between American and British researchers in developing a polio vaccine.
In America President Taft received some flak from his party and administration over the perceived ceding of sovereignty. He expertly silenced those accusations of needlessly entangling America in other country's affairs when that year he refused to send American soldiers to fight in Bengal. It was a minor diplomatic coup for his administration that showed a firm commitment to maintaining America's position as a peer to other great powers, much to London's chagrin…
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Bengali Intervention to follow
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MagnificentMind
To Live is to Suffer
Just a question before I dedicate my time to this quest, is the goal here to run the FBU into the ground because "FBU = Bad" or create a legitimately coherent and functional political entity that would be considered evil by our modern sensibilities?
nachtingale
20. On that "honk, mimimi" type beat everyday.
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We are the oppressive colonial Empire with a capital E, our goal is keeping that Empire together for as long as god willing, with whatever measures necessary to do so. We're not looking at a state that wants to liberate Africa or bring democracy to the Middle East, if the Saudis declare their support for us, we'll pump them with as much guns and pounds as need be to keep that ship afloat as long as they are useful to us.
We are running the evil Empire here, not the plucky rebels in Algeria or the Congo. We kill the rebels, or use them if they're dumb enough to think we would allow them to reform out of their position as an extractive colony to keep our actual voting population happy and content.