I agree that is a pretty decent system. I don't think you need to do much. Maybe bring ram up to 32 although I have not seen anything that actually requires it. Maybe a larger SSD if it is full with all your games. A lot of new games take up a lot of space. If not an M.2, and you have mounting for an M.2, mount an M.2 in the computer. I would likely go with at least a 1 TB.

Also I might suggest reinstalling Windows. Might be corrupted, maybe bloated is a better description, which could be slowing stuff down.
 
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I agree that is a pretty decent system. I don't think you need to do much. Maybe bring ram up to 32 although I have not seen anything that actually requires it. Maybe a larger SSD if it is full with all your games. A lot of new games take up a lot of space. If not an M.2, and you have mounting for an M.2, mount an M.2 in the computer. I would likely go with at least a 1 TB.

Also I might suggest reinstalling Windows. Might be corrupted, maybe bloated is a better description, which could be slowing stuff down.

If you're upgrading to a new main SSD, you'll probably want a full reinstall anyway. I've had nothing but trouble trying to transfer old drives to new.
 
If you're upgrading to a new main SSD, you'll probably want a full reinstall anyway. I've had nothing but trouble trying to transfer old drives to new.

I agree. Personally, I simply reformat the hard drive when I put a new boot drive in.

I have a roommate though that decided they only needed a 120 GB ssd and now having issues. Bought a 1 TB SSD for their birthday. Does not want to rebuild everything because I think they are afraid of losing stuff from ESO so going to have to try to clone the OS for them.
 
I agree. Personally, I simply reformat the hard drive when I put a new boot drive in.

I have a roommate though that decided they only needed a 120 GB ssd and now having issues. Bought a 1 TB SSD for their birthday. Does not want to rebuild everything because I think they are afraid of losing stuff from ESO so going to have to try to clone the OS for them.
Assuming you have a modern computer -- which is to say, UEFI boot -- then technically all you actually need to do is copy the contents of the partitions. But that includes the EFI system partition, which is invisible inside windows. It's easy enough from Linux.

Assuming you end up making the system unbootable, you can use bcdboot to recreate the boot partition. To do that you'll need to have an EFI system partition -- VFAT, 1GB is more than enough -- and also a Windows installation stick, so you can run bcdboot. I seem to end up doing this every single time I need to transfer my installation.
 
Assuming you have a modern computer -- which is to say, UEFI boot -- then technically all you actually need to do is copy the contents of the partitions. But that includes the EFI system partition, which is invisible inside windows. It's easy enough from Linux.

Assuming you end up making the system unbootable, you can use bcdboot to recreate the boot partition. To do that you'll need to have an EFI system partition -- VFAT, 1GB is more than enough -- and also a Windows installation stick, so you can run bcdboot. I seem to end up doing this every single time I need to transfer my installation.

Unfortunately not a modern system, an FX 6300 system. Actually a normal SSD as well, not an M.2. I have cloned boot drives in the past from computers of that generation and I think I can do it again. I am not looking forward to it, I admit. ESO should let you rebuild everything.
 
Request... build me the best PC I can get for $1200 US. Buying in the US.

Looking for 1080p gaming, hopefully with an option for 4k in the future. This PC should last me 4-5 years hopefully.

Doesn't need to be knock your socks off amazing, just... the best I can get for the price range. Not super into online competitive games, more of a single player RPG type.

Will build myself. Have never actually done it, HAVE upgraded PC's in the past. I should be fine building, I know a decent bit about it. I'm just not good at shopping or staying up on what I should be buying. I'm confident in the actual build.

Don't care if it's Intel or AMD... would prefer Intel but if AMD will outperform for the price, AMD is fine.

Don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse, or OS.

I would prefer NOT RGB. I like... black. But also... don't REALLY care how it looks.

I think my only hardware request is I would really like 32gb of RAM.

What can you find for me, SV?
 
This is a bit of an odd request.

Is there any specific reason you prefer Intel? AMD certainly has higher performance.

I had bad experiences in the past, but we are talking several years ago.

If AMD is the way to go now, then AMD it is.

Is that both CPU and GPU, so should I look to Nvidia for GPU?
 
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I had bad experiences in the past, but we are talking several years ago.

If AMD is the way to go now, then AMD it is.

Is that both CPU and GPU, so should I look to Nvidia for GPU?

AMD is pretty much better at this point, though Intel is competitive enough if you really hate AMD for some reason.

But if you only hate AMD for 'issues', you will despise Intel's Arc GPU since it launched as a clown show and even now still needs a lot of work.

But the Arcs aren't really 4k cards so not relevant to this discussion.

Though I will ask you directly if 4k performance REALLY matters for this build. 4k is a vastly larger ask than 1080p, so if you're not going to use it for years, it's better to not waste extra money to achieve it.

You're better off going 1080p for now, and just upgrading your PC later for 4k.
 
Though I will ask you directly if 4k performance REALLY matters for this build. 4k is a vastly larger ask than 1080p, so if you're not going to use it for years, it's better to not waste extra money to achieve it.

You're better off going 1080p for now, and just upgrading your PC later for 4k.

Yeah 4k isn't super important to me. I'd rather be able to get higher settings/better FPS at 1080p.

It's been awhile since i've really kept up on what the hardware trends are.
 
Yeah 4k isn't super important to me. I'd rather be able to get higher settings/better FPS at 1080p.

It's been awhile since i've really kept up on what the hardware trends are.

What monitor do you actually have?

Achieving 144 fps at 1080p is pretty trivial for any mid level modern card.

But does your current monitor even go to 144hz? If it's only 60/72hz for example then we can just go absolutely cheapest GPU instead of spending money on it.
 
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What monitor do you actually have?

Achieving 144 fps at 1080p is pretty trivial for any bottom-mid level modern card.

But does your current monitor even go to 144hz? If it's only 60/72hz for example then we can just go absolutely cheapest GPU instead of spending money on it.

That's a good question, i'm actually not 100% sure. A new monitor is on the horizon too, but i'm not factoring that into the price of this. I appreciate the eye towards budget, and I DO actually think my monitor is 72hz, but like I said that will be getting replaced sometime in the near future.

Since you've brought this up though, and this is going to be my first time actually building a PC from the ground up... what might a plan B look like to build a system to get me really good performance out of a 72hz 1080p monitor? If it's inexpensive enough, I might just build that for a practice run and use it for a bit just for the hell of it.

If I can get a system like that for around... $500, it might be worth it just because.

For reference, here's my current system, a laptop purchased in 2017 that still does a pretty good job at running damn near everything. I haven't found anything that's not playable, and I rarely have to set things all the way to low.

Intel Core i7 6th gen 6700hq 2.6ghz
GTX 960M 4gb
16GB ram
Pitiful storage, a 128gb ssd and a 1TB HDD.

Can I build something that will be appreciably better than this for around $500? Definitely want to beef up storage.
 
That's a good question, i'm actually not 100% sure. A new monitor is on the horizon too, but i'm not factoring that into the price of this. I appreciate the eye towards budget, and I DO actually think my monitor is 72hz, but like I said that will be getting replaced sometime in the near future.

Since you've brought this up though, and this is going to be my first time actually building a PC from the ground up... what might a plan B look like to build a system to get me really good performance out of a 72hz 1080p monitor? If it's inexpensive enough, I might just build that for a practice run and use it for a bit just for the hell of it.

If I can get a system like that for around... $500, it might be worth it just because.

For reference, here's my current system, a laptop purchased in 2017 that still does a pretty good job at running damn near everything. I haven't found anything that's not playable, and I rarely have to set things all the way to low.

Intel Core i7 6th gen 6700hq 2.6ghz
GTX 960M 4gb
16GB ram
Pitiful storage, a 128gb ssd and a 1TB HDD.

Can I build something that will be appreciably better than this for around $500? Definitely want to beef up storage.

On further inspection, it looks like 72fps hits right in the massive low-end gap between the old and new micro GPUs, and the cheapest mid-end cards. The ~60fps RX6500XT at $170 having about half the performance (and VRAM) of the RX 6600 at $230. So to guarantee 72fps at 1080p, it will have to be the RX 6600.

So that will be:
RX 6600: $230
I3 12100F: $86
H610M: $90
2x8gb DDR4 3600 RAM: $46
500gb NVME SSD: $35
2tb HDD SATA: $50
Power Supply: $65
Box: $80

Which comes out to $682 total, which is a bit too much. You could downgrade the graphics card, but then you dip below 8gb VRAM and risk going under 72fps. The rest is likewise not good to go below. You could find a cheaper PSU, but you don't want a cheap PSU that fails and fries your PC. You could cut storage, but you have a drastic reduction in space for not much money saved. You could get a smaller box, but then you can't upgrade anything.

What I did with my personal PC is actually the opposite. Years ago on my old PC build I deliberately bought an enormous box for a bit extra, and I bought a huge power supply. Then come last Christmas, I upgraded my PC and stuffed everything into the same box (I would have kept the PSU too, except power bloat over the past few years has been silly, and I upgraded even more than I hoped so I wanted the extra headroom).

So if you wanted to make an upgradeable PC at lowest cost, I would say to get an oversized box, an oversized PSU with a 10 year warranty (EVGA does that as do other companies), and midsize SSDs and HDDs (large SSDs and HDDs are overpriced, though they use fewer slots).

Motherboard/CPU/RAM/GPU will effectively not be upgradeable. It's technically possible, yes, but hardware prices don't really come down over time, so it would be silly to pay full price for an old Motherboard/CPU/RAM combination in a few years. The RX 6600 will be compatible going forward without issue, but it's definitely not a 4k 60fps card.

Also, I'd have added a CPU cooler to this, but the 12100F is low end enough that it comes with one and I don't feel it absolutely needs to be upgraded.
 
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Which comes out to $682 total, which is a bit too much.

I can deal with $682. I was originally going to throw $1,200 at it... i'm realizing now for what I actually need/want out of it, I don't need to spend that much.

This gives me a very good starting point and the realization on just how far off I was for what I need. I probably will go ahead and get a big honkin case... for both upgradability and my catchers mits of hands to actually be able to get in there and actually do anything. I don't care if it's big, loud and ugly.

Thank you, this was very informative... and probably pushed my timetable up on this! I was actually eyeing up the RX 6600 actually so that's pretty cool you put that in there.

What might I need to change about this/upgrade later if I were to upgrade to a 144hz monitor, if anything? I'm perfectly fine with not being able to run everything in absolute full blast mode at max possible FPS, just... "good" is sufficient.
 
What might I need to change about this/upgrade later if I were to upgrade to a 144hz monitor, if anything? I'm perfectly fine with not being able to run everything in absolute full blast mode at max possible FPS, just... "good" is sufficient.

The RX6600 isn't quite up to 1080p 144hz. But the issue is that if you go above the RX6600, you also have to swap from the 12100F to something much more expensive, which on top of that will require a cooler purchase.

Then from there you have to decide if you're going to go with Intel high end CPUs, which are comical power hogs, go new AMD with an AM5 motherboard, which are expensive and also require expensive DDR5 RAM, or go old AMD AM4 motherboard, which are no longer upgraded so you'll need a new motherboard in the future.
 
What might I need to change about this/upgrade later if I were to upgrade to a 144hz monitor, if anything? I'm perfectly fine with not being able to run everything in absolute full blast mode at max possible FPS, just... "good" is sufficient.
Running every game at 144Hz, even at 1080p, is basically impossible. You can throw a 4090 in there and it still won't work; the CPU matters as well, and many/most games just aren't well enough optimised to hit that target. Some are small enough that it isn't an issue, but anything that even tastes of high-end graphics won't manage.

On the other hand, an 144Hz desktop is a completely different feel from a 60Hz one even if the games can't manage it.

Once you start thinking of higher-end monitors, the way to go is actually Freesync and/or G-Sync Ultimate*. That lets the monitor present frames at whatever rate your computer actually outputs, and almost entirely eliminates stuttering. This is especially important because, uh...

Imagine you have a monitor that's set to 144Hz. If the game is capable of rendering at 120Hz, assuming you don't turn v-sync off, you will not be getting 120 frames per second on the monitor. It'll actually be limited to 144/2, 72Hz. And if it can't hit 72FPS reliably, then... yeah. Free/Gsync entirely eliminates that.

But it does cost quite a bit more. While the modules themselves aren't super expensive, you'll only find them in mid to high-end monitors.

*: But not the older versions of g-sync, because those modules have a constantly running fan on them... it got annoying in a hurry. Yes, that's 'constantly' as 'even during standby', in the case of mine. Augh.

= = =

One final concern. If you have any thoughts of running Stable Diffusion, you need an nvidia GPU.

Oh, and on the subject GPUs. While a low-end GPU can certainly drive 1080p — it requires somewhere between 1/2 and 1/4 the GPU horsepower of 4k — this is only true if the GPU still has enough VRAM to load the game assets in. Games scale to available VRAM, but only so far, and the moment it doesn't all fit in at once, your performance will drop off a cliff.

GPUs can swap textures out to main memory, but that's pretty much like main memory swapping to disk. In severe cases, your framerates can easily drop by 90%.

GPU memory has been rapidly increasing over the last couple of years, so while 3 GB was okay a few years ago, today it's woefully inadequate. 6GB will work in most cases... today. But I honestly wouldn't buy a GPU today with less than 12.

Fortunately there's a 12GB RTX 3060 model, so you have options.
 
Oh, and on the subject GPUs. While a low-end GPU can certainly drive 1080p — it requires somewhere between 1/2 and 1/4 the GPU horsepower of 4k — this is only true if the GPU still has enough VRAM to load the game assets in. Games scale to available VRAM, but only so far, and the moment it doesn't all fit in at once, your performance will drop off a cliff.

GPUs can swap textures out to main memory, but that's pretty much like main memory swapping to disk. In severe cases, your framerates can easily drop by 90%.

GPU memory has been rapidly increasing over the last couple of years, so while 3 GB was okay a few years ago, today it's woefully inadequate. 6GB will work in most cases... today. But I honestly wouldn't buy a GPU today with less than 12.

Fortunately there's a 12GB RTX 3060 model, so you have options.

8gb is perfectly fine for 1080p.
 
8gb is perfectly fine for 1080p.
For current games? Certainly. Like I said... seems a bit limiting for a new build, unless it's intended to be immediately replaced.

A 3060 12G should be powerful enough at 1080p to work for a couple years, with gradually degrading framerates as games get more demanding. Running out of VRAM is more of a cliff edge. Well, the 3060 Ti might still be worth a look if higher FPS right now is more interesting.

(Also, of personal interest mostly... a 12GB GPU can do most everything you'd want to do with stable diffusion, if slowly. An 8GB one just can't. Though if you want to also use the computer at the same time, you need 24GB.)
 
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Does anyone have advice on specific brands or models to look at for a RTX 3090? Are they basically interchangeable, or should I match the manufacturer of my motherboard?

I'm planning to build a new PC sometime in April or May and it looks like my current motherboard should support a 3090, so I'm considering buying the GPU now and using it in my current PC (so I can play KSP 2 and run SD locally) while I sort out the rest of the components for the new build.
 
Any recommendations for a PSU when I have a GTX 3070 and an i7-12700F? My old PSU died a few months before I decided to buy those and they replaced what was a 850w gold with a 750w bronze and I was too much of a baby to go "ok nice that you put that in without asking but I'd like something better" and that summer the fan made hella noise and now it's even worse. I will probably want at least a 1000W to keep load a bit lower (and make sure my cpu isn't throttling because rn I think it is) but I have no idea if there's any big differences between brands and shit.
 
I always recommend Corsair as a company for PSU's but really check around for some reviews.
 
Any recommendations for a PSU when I have a GTX 3070 and an i7-12700F? My old PSU died a few months before I decided to buy those and they replaced what was a 850w gold with a 750w bronze and I was too much of a baby to go "ok nice that you put that in without asking but I'd like something better" and that summer the fan made hella noise and now it's even worse. I will probably want at least a 1000W to keep load a bit lower (and make sure my cpu isn't throttling because rn I think it is) but I have no idea if there's any big differences between brands and shit.

My recommendation is to go big like 1kw or so and get it from a company like EVGA that has a 10 year warranty. That's what I did because I want extra room for power spikes and the option to upgrade in the future (though tbh in 5 years I won't want more than 1kw because that much power is just stupid for individual use).
 
Anyone know any really high end mobo's that can hold like 4 or 5 M.2's that use AMD stuff? Been wanting to do a new build for a while and I got failing m.2 slots on my current board.
 
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