Of Winding Ways and Cunning Devices

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[X] Write in: You would sooner let your ship sink than be sworn to the one from where this Guldur originated. You merely shape what he has left behind. It is a dangerous skill to be learned and practiced, the shaping of his lingering corruption. It is the legacy of the Great Enemy, ones whose presence will forever linger even after his defeat and eternal exile at the hands of the Edain and their allies.
 
[X] Write in: You would sooner let your ship sink than be sworn to the one from where this Guldur originated. You merely shape what he has left behind. It is a dangerous skill to be learned and practiced, the shaping of his lingering corruption. It is the legacy of the Great Enemy, ones whose presence will forever linger even after his defeat and eternal exile at the hands of the Edain and their allies.
 
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  • [X] Write in: You would sooner let your ship sink than be sworn to the one from where this Guldur originated. You merely shape what he has left behind. It is a dangerous skill to be learned and practiced, the shaping of his lingering corruption. It is the legacy of the Great Enemy, ones whose presence will forever linger even after his defeat and eternal exile at the hands of the Edain and their allies.
    [X] Explain that you are a scholar, one who bends his eye on perilous things to be sure, but your arts are no more dangerous than any other. After all to the man who had never seen steel a fine sword might seem sorcery. If she doubts you... well you do have some of the craft of Numenor to show you of the kind many of the men of Middle Earth called just that
    [X] Tell the tale of the Edain and the ultimate defeat of the Black Enemy as though sorcery were the battle-gained right of those wars, that would likely resonate with a people who so love the warrior for his courage and the bright blade for its sharpness
 
[X] Tell the tale of the Edain and the ultimate defeat of the Black Enemy as though sorcery were the battle-gained right of those wars, that would likely resonate with a people who so love the warrior for his courage and the bright blade for its sharpness
 
[X] Tell the tale of the Edain and the ultimate defeat of the Black Enemy as though sorcery were the battle-gained right of those wars, that would likely resonate with a people who so love the warrior for his courage and the bright blade for its sharpness
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 30, 2022 at 2:16 PM, finished with 16 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] Write in: You would sooner let your ship sink than be sworn to the one from where this Guldur originated. You merely shape what he has left behind. It is a dangerous skill to be learned and practiced, the shaping of his lingering corruption. It is the legacy of the Great Enemy, ones whose presence will forever linger even after his defeat and eternal exile at the hands of the Edain and their allies.
    [X] Tell the tale of the Edain and the ultimate defeat of the Black Enemy as though sorcery were the battle-gained right of those wars, that would likely resonate with a people who so love the warrior for his courage and the bright blade for its sharpness
    [X] Explain that you are a scholar, one who bends his eye on perilous things to be sure, but your arts are no more dangerous than any other. After all to the man who had never seen steel a fine sword might seem sorcery. If she doubts you... well you do have some of the craft of Numenor to show you of the kind many of the men of Middle Earth called just that
 
Arc 1 Post 18: Colors of Meaning
Colors of Meaning

18th of May 867 A.D.

"I would sooner let my ship sink than be sworn to Him of which Guldur is born," you snap, with far more venom than you had meant to. Steady on Eriol, you think as the priestess recoils. "It trails in his wake like shadow, like the smoke of his burning footsteps, a perilous thing and yet the wise, or perhaps simply the learned..." You are not sure what she sees in your face, but it is not a pleasant expression, that much you are sure of. "We can make use of it."

"When you say in his wake, where has this god gone?" Thyra asks you, curious perhaps in spite of herself.

"He is bound with the chain Angaino beyond the Walls of Night and two manacles the Vorotemnar are set upon his wrists, upon each ankle a fetter called Ilterendi, so say the Eldar who heed the words of his kin."

"Like Fernis waiting for the Last Morning of the world," she mutters under her breath

Though you had been about do dismiss her, in thought if not in word you recall that this Fernis is meant to be a wolf, ever hungering, a great beast that would devour the sun and moon. Many were the wolves and many were the things like wolves which which lay at the feet of Morgoth's throne. Could the legend she knows be like a melody distorted down through the leagues and years? Why, how if this is to be another year?

"I know not the names of the powers and would not care to hazard a guess at their seeming," you sigh and then fall silent.

"But what about..."

"The Ainu change bodies as men change clothes," you cut her off. "As with mortal's garb one might read quite a lot into the choice, or just a preference over a cloak of blue over one of green and then be driven mad over wondering what blue truly is..."

"What blue is?" she sniffs. "What kind of nonsense is that?"

"Well what is it then?" you ask with a smile, as Vorindo had done to you more than a decade ago.

"It's the sky the sea..."

"The bluejay's wing?" you interject. "These are all things that are blue, but blue the color is not them. The question of what color is and if it forms in the eye, the mind or perhaps even the soul is one long pondered among the Eldar and for myself I wish them all the joy of it. The lives of men are too short for it."

"And too short to bother learning the will of the gods?" The words are c challenge, but growing fascination is writ clear upon her face once more.

Diplomacy: 89 + 12 = 101 (Critical Success)

"Oh never that, Ar Pharazon learned the folly of such a plan, but not troubling one's self over Powers that do not trouble you, that seems reasonable to me."

"And yet you rattle the chains of the one bound by the will of these gods whom you speak?"

"To rattle bars one must weigh more than a grain of dust." You look away, back towards the sea and the land where there is no returning. "Believe me I have been thoroughly persuaded of my own insignificance."

"Well I have not," she counters. "How about a bargain then, I teach you more of the gods I know, the Aerir and Vanir and you tell me whom they are most alike to from your own land. That way we will know at least which god we should most need to seek the favor of."

Do you agree to share your lore with Völva Thyyra?

[] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)

[] No, you have other matters to attend to before you depart (Diplomacy DC 45 to refuse diplomatically)


OOC: Eriol uses philosophical dazzle, it is very effective.
 
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[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)

Terribly confused at the first sentance - somehow thought the crew had figured out Eiolor does Guldur and cobdemned him for it. (That's on my reading comprehension tho!)
 
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[X] No, you have other matters to attend to before you depart (Diplomacy DC 45 to refuse diplomatically)
Teaching magic to someone else is horribly and needlessly risky and stupid.
 
[X] No, you have other matters to attend to before you depart (Diplomacy DC 45 to refuse diplomatically)

NOPE NOPE NOPE, we are not sharing lore and magic this early on. Especially to some random stranger. Even if we just taught her the basics of our lore that is still way too much to risk.

Our knowledge and magic are our trump card, we can't just share it willy-nilly until we are more established.
 
It looks to be that she is asking for lore about what Valar "fit" the Nordic gods and offering a better understanding of the local peoples culture/religion.

Not Guldur.
 
People aren't reading it seems. This isn't teaching her magic. The lore in this case is simply educating her on the Valar. Which has nothing to do with our magic, nor would it help her in any way shape or from learn magic.

[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)
 
[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)
 
[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)

She just seems like an interesting person to get to know.
 
[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)
 
[X] Yes, she is an interesting conversationalist at least (will take up most of your time in port)

We got out of teaching her magic, now we can talk about something actually useful to Eriol. Lore!
 
I am curious, what about Slavic pantheon?
Although we actually do not know much about it.
 
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