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That's just scare-mongering, frankly.

eh, in my opinion leaving someone in an illusion of an immanent fate worse than death makes suicide a possible outcome. But if you disagree then it's clearly not going to happen. so we can write driving her to suicide off the list of possible consequences.


that said, leaving her catatonic with horror is arguable worse for us. Since not only does it get her friends after us but it means she's still around to advocate for our grisly death, and push back against any attempt at dealmaking we make to not be hunted if aizen dies.
 
yep. aizin give either zero or negative shits about us, and is likely to lose his little rebellion. If we want to survive goodwill from the other side is valuable. leaving uro either a self made corpse or a weeping comatose wreck means no matter how this shakes down hat and clogs and his crew will always be out for our blood. Saving her means our chances of survival overall go up, not down. because I doubt she'll go from freak-out to murderous super fast, and we know for a fact one creo can shut her down if need be. So it's accepting a moderate short term risk for a long term major increase of our odds of survival.
If we lose the files, we're screwed. It would take a single moment's thought from a now-rational and likely very pissed off enemy to lose them.

And frankly, we pissed away any chance of Urahara's crew viewing us kindly already. Stealing his stuff, getting innocent mortals killed, traumatizing his ward- saying 'but I fucked up in stealing it' or 'they were gonna die anyway' or 'I didn't KEEP traumatizing her' is not likely to help when Urahara's crew shows very little sympathy for Hollows to start.

Dicking around trying to white knight now isn't a long term benefit. It isn't even terribly moral choice in a practical fashion- at this point if we defect to a 'good' side we've already killed people by provoking SLAUGHTER MODE. It's just stupid.

We don't have to foot the bill for Mayuri's sins and Urahara's callousness.
 
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No.
She will curl up and cry next to the person who saved her from her greatest fear.

No, she won't. Have you ever encountered a traumatized person?

They don't curl up next to the person who reminded them of their greatest fear, they react as if they were still dealing with their greatest fear.

Fight or flight.

Don't try to pretend that she'll magically love us for torturing her, that's not how that shit works.
There is danger in saving her, but that's mainly in the risk of her allies showing up, or the fact that it reveals a bit more about you to your antagonists. "Round 2, fight" isn't particularly interesting.

This, however implies that she won't fight us, so likely she'll either go comatose or run away. Or her allies will show up and "save" her.
 
The plan "failed" not because the plan was bad, but because it accounted only for half of the threat. It dealt with the spirit rocket launcher excellently - you didn't get hit even once. It had no provision for close combat. Once stealth had broken, it would have been better to rely on Bala Envolver, or to take to the sky where you could shoot her with a Cero powerful enough to take her down in one blow without worrying about collateral damage, rather than try to reenter stealth in the middle of hot pursuit.
Mmm, then the plan was erred from the start. Maybe next time we should aim for a more specific approach.

In any case, if y'all are gonna go fail a mission because you don't like the impact our mindrape Cero had on the random loli, maybe you shouldn't have voted for it when we had the Trait vote?
You know this argument has a 50% chance of failing against any given poster, right? Sweeping generalizations with that marging of error will not endear people to your reasoning.
 
If we lose the files, we're screwed. It would take a single moment's thought from a now-rational and likely very pissed off enemy to lose them.

And frankly, we pissed away any chance of Urahara's crew viewing us kindly already. Stealing his stuff, getting innocent mortals killed, traumatizing his ward- saying 'but I fucked up in stealing it' or 'they were gonna die anyway' or 'I didn't KEEP traumatizing her' is not likely to help when Urahara's crew shows very little sympathy for Hollows to start.

This isn't a long term benefit. It's just stupid.

By word of QM Ururu won't fight herself if we choose to save her, neither did she kill any humans today.

And Ururu traumatized but saved by us vs comatose Ururu is a hell of a difference.
 
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[X] This is all wrong. Save the girl from your own illusions.

Obviously, the primary reason for voting to save is because we're bleeding hearts.
HAVING SAID THAT, it's still a reasonable pragmatic choice:
No matter what the the 'bluh morality is for dumb people' crowd says, it's pretty unlikely Ururu will immediately re-enter murder mode. It's not like she instantly entered murder mode when we first met her- she had to scan us first. I REALLY doubt Ururu will do this while we're saving her.
 
You know this argument has a 50% chance of failing against any given poster, right? Sweeping generalizations with that marging of error will not endear people to your reasoning.

I'm not actually annoyed with people who didn't vote for that upgrade, or even with people who voted for that upgrade but are happy with the results.

My argument not addressing those people is a feature, not a bug, as far as I'm concerned.
 
No, she won't. Have you ever encountered a traumatized person?

They don't curl up next to the person who reminded them of their greatest fear, they react as if they were still dealing with their greatest fear.

Fight or flight.

Don't try to pretend that she'll magically love us for torturing her, that's not how that shit works.


This, however implies that she won't fight us, so likely she'll either go comatose or run away. Or her allies will show up and "save" her.

Yes I have.
Like people with PTSD they all act/react differently from one another.
There isn't one template.

And by word of QM were we to save her there won't be a round two with her.
 
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Canon Omake: Witness
So, in light of recent events, I figured I could give omake writing another shot. Probably won't go well, but might as well try:

Witness


For as long as you could remember, the world was filled with strange things. You saw strange lights in the night, heard odd prayers in the day, and wondered where the black butterflies came from. You kept chasing after them, but they always flew away. Every now and then, there would be growling in the night. You'd hide under your bed, until Mom came. You'd have her read stories to you, about guardian angels defeating hungry ghosts that ate the living and the dead. You'd make sure she kept speaking until you heard the sound of a sword sheathing. Then you knew the growling was gone.

That's what the invisible people said. They were nice, once they noticed you could see them. One of them told you about the guardian angels. How to know when they were protecting you. And how to keep yourself safe until they did. The old woman who told you about this, she said you were special. She told you special people were chased by the bad ghosts. But you had nothing to fear from the black angels. You don't know why the black angels had to take her away. But she said she would go to a nice place. You hope she's happy, wherever she is. Maybe you'll get to visit her one day.

Today, you think you've finally seen one of them. You were walking home with Mom. High up in the air, walking on it like it was the ground. You saw her looking for a ghost, a bad one, you thought. Though, from what little you could see of the rapid blur, they didn't look like the regular bad ghosts. Maybe that one was special. The angel surprised you though. She looked like your age! And she wasn't wearing black. She didn't even have a sword! She had this weird tube thing. She kept pointing it around the street. Maybe it's supposed to help her find the bad ghost? Whatever it is, it looks like she found it. She points at it, and suddenly the sky is filled with light. You turn your head away. When you open your eyes, you can't see the bad ghost. For a split second, you think it's gone. It's safe. The angel protected you. Then you look up. The building is falling. You scream. You feel something hit your head.

When you wake up, you wonder if you fell somehow. There's rocks and wood around you. You can't move. Much. Your head hurts. You want Mom. You curl up. You hope Mom find you soon. Where did the angel go? Did she take Mom away? Did the angel put me somewhere? Your head throbs. The questions start to repeat themselves. You hear them again, and again. Even as you are dug out. Even as you find Mom laying on a stretcher. Even as you ride to the hospital, holding your head, as the adults ask you questions.


EDIT: Man, I just cannot write much. Everything I write turns out really short. Any advice? Also, I was originally going to have the narrator wake up as a plus, but then the QM said that no one died. Eh, still traumatizing.
 
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If we lose the files, we're screwed. It would take a single moment's thought from a now-rational and likely very pissed off enemy to lose them.

And frankly, we pissed away any chance of Urahara's crew viewing us kindly already. Stealing his stuff, getting innocent mortals killed, traumatizing his ward- saying 'but I fucked up in stealing it' or 'they were gonna die anyway' or 'I didn't KEEP traumatizing her' is not likely to help when Urahara's crew shows very little sympathy for Hollows to start.

This isn't a long term benefit. It's just stupid.

except she's not angry, she terrified. From her perspective we would have just driven away her nightmare, I rather doubt she's going to have the emontal weriwthwal to go right back to trying to kill us. also:

Generally the way people treat Ururu immediately re-entering Slaughter Mode the moment she's away from Cero Triste is kind of... Missing the point. You don't actually know how Ururu works. It's entirely possible the "command override" lasts for a while. Or that she is too wounded or exhausted to re-enter it now that the effects of it have faded.

per word of gm it's likely not going to happen. She's down for now. The risk is her friends showing up and drawing the wrong conclusion. I'd rather have them try to kill us for a little while instead of having them making killing us a permanent long term goal.
 
[X] This is all wrong. Save the girl from your own illusions

Jesus, its like people ignore all our character development when its inconvenient. Nemo is very much not a heartless bastard
 
There may, however, be a quote-unquote "round two" where one of her many Captain tier allies investigates our random Cero and hands us our ass on a plate.

Sticking around remains a dumb decision for dumb decisions sake.

This is your opinion and you can have it.

My opinion is that spending three seconds to show kindness to a little girl is worth it.

Like leaving the mask with the dancers was worth it.
 
Sticking around remains a dumb decision for dumb decisions sake.
A dumb decision can have more than one reasoning, and several of them are not for its own sake.

Edit: in fact, a partial quasi-guarantee that she won't be inmediatly attacking us makes the "stay" vote a bit more compelling, if still not optimal.
 
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