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Someone help me, but what did Nemo see?

My current assumption is that she saw his Resureccion, with the even greater and more terrifying form of his Segunda Etapa mode locked behind it. (and her going 'if it manifests I'm dead" is because this is her first time around a Vasto Lorde).

But is it instead her seeing his Segunda Etapa, and then seeing a mode even stronger behind that lock?
 
So, considering we're planning on trying to convince Szayel to make his armor less torturous to Yammy, we probably need to think of a good reason that would convince him.
Fortunately, there's one that has no moral weight either way. Namely, if Yammy is in constant pain, he'll gradually grow to regard it as his new normal, and either get used to it or start being sad. Which will cause him to slowly weaken over time as he grows less angry.

It'd be more effective if he was only in pain while he was fighting, so he associated pain with combat, causing the two sources of anger to link and feed off of each other. We also probably don't want him to associate other arrancar with pain, because while Szayel probably put a restraining bolt in him, when someone's power is 'endless growth' you should probably plan for them growing past any restraints.
Fortunately, Yammy is going to be pointed at a specific species, so if the armor can be designed to only inflict pain when exposed to the spiritual energy of non-hollows and non-arrancar, with a specific exception for Aizen and his coterie, he'll be powered up around them, as well as causing him to grow gradually stronger in combat against them as he grows to hate them.

Edit: Good La Marana pieces would be something from us or Sadbat for regeneration, and something from Zommari to allow him to function despite disabling amounts of pain and/or injuries, similar to Ransōtengai.
 
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I'm voting Medicine because it's a reason for everyone else to keep us alive.

We've seen Nemo and Luppi bounce off each other in hilarious ways. I want to see how he interacts with Cirucci now.
 
Someone help me, but what did Nemo see?

My current assumption is that she saw his Resureccion, with the even greater and more terrifying form of his Segunda Etapa mode locked behind it. (and her going 'if it manifests I'm dead" is because this is her first time around a Vasto Lorde).

But is it instead her seeing his Segunda Etapa, and then seeing a mode even stronger behind that lock?

Ulquiorra is fighting in his sealed form.

You no longer see the awful outline of the horned, winged devil. Ulquiorra is his simple self, unassuming short man with black hair and tear-like makeup, with only one horn, that of his broken fragment of mask.

So your current assumption is right.
 
Descorrer 3 obsoletes Spider Friend, so I am against it.

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No more than HSR or Medicine obsolete Esmeralda, or Marana obsoletes Alphonse.

Besides, you can only portal to places you know where to go, and Spider is better travelled than Nemo. He knows more places to go,

Someone help me, but what did Nemo see?

My current assumption is that she saw his Resureccion, with the even greater and more terrifying form of his Segunda Etapa mode locked behind it. (and her going 'if it manifests I'm dead" is because this is her first time around a Vasto Lorde).

But is it instead her seeing his Segunda Etapa, and then seeing a mode even stronger behind that lock?

My read is that the devil is his release power, and the lock with no key is his second release, which can't be accessed outside the first release.

So, considering we're planning on trying to convince Szayel to make his armor less torturous to Yammy, we probably need to think of a good reason that would convince him.
Fortunately, there's one that has no moral weight either way. Namely, if Yammy is in constant pain, he'll gradually grow to regard it as his new normal, and either get used to it or start being sad. Which will cause him to slowly weaken over time as he grows less angry.

It'd be more effective if he was only in pain while he was fighting, so he associated pain with combat, causing the two sources of anger to link and feed off of each other. We also probably don't want him to associate other arrancar with pain, because while Szayel probably put a restraining bolt in him, when someone's power is 'endless growth' you should probably plan for them growing past any restraints.
Fortunately, Yammy is going to be pointed at a specific species, so if the armor can be designed to only inflict pain when exposed to the spiritual energy of non-hollows and non-arrancar, with a specific exception for Aizen and his coterie, he'll be powered up around them, as well as causing him to grow gradually stronger in combat against them as he grows to hate them.

Edit: Good La Marana pieces would be something from us or Sadbat for regeneration, and something from Zommari to allow him to function despite disabling amounts of pain and/or injuries, similar to Ransōtengai.

I think, if the goal is to be less sadistic, the best plan is to skip the pain idea altogether, and try to use Marana to induce rage directly. Yammy doesn't become strong by hurting, he becomes stronger by getting angry. Hurting makes him angry, yes, but there's no real reason you have to go through the step of hurting him first. And if you could just generate an anger feedback loop directly, injuring him to cause pain would be suboptimal, since injury weakens him as it angers him.

Beyond that, there's the whole problem of being crushed into a suit that's too small causing agony. That's harder to fix than having spikes on the inside of the suit. But, well, Nemo signed on to help build a torture suit, so there's probably no way to get rid of all the torture, or even most of it.
 
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Some of the energy could be recycled to numb Yammy's sense of pain; you might be able to move the overall design from a focus on pain-induced rage to a kind of euphoric trance…
Well, if it inflicts euphoria, you should pair it with shame so he is powered by the endless pressure of being unable to grow to his full size?
 
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So, considering we're planning on trying to convince Szayel to make his armor less torturous to Yammy, we probably need to think of a good reason that would convince him.
It's right there in the update; dissociation. He feels all the pain and anger, but doesn't care about it. Bam, two thousand percent less horrible. The entire feedback loop is in the background of his mind.

Then you take the clarity of the foreground of his mind and use it as the basis for a robotic operating system, so that Syazal doesn't constantly have to make sure that he's not going to kill anybody Aizen likes.

Less torture = Terminator Yammy. The perfect plan.
 
No more than HSR or Medicine obsolete Esmeralda, or Marana obsoletes Alphonse.

Besides, you can only portal to places you know where to go, and Spider is better travelled than Nemo. He knows more places to go,
It does obsolete Spider Friend more than those other skills obsolete those other friends.

Alphonse is a non-factor when it comes to providing Maraña items. He made Nemo's first one, but he wouldn't make any more for her or for anyone else regardless of whether or not we upgraded Maraña.

As for Esmeralda, we are the only arrancar who can receive medical attention from her anyway, so upgrading Medicine to heal other people has the same effects on her relevance as not upgrading it at all. Nemo's Medicine skill can't be used on herself for anything that HSR can't heal, so upgrading it won't affect Esmeralda's relevance when it comes to healing Nemo.

Spider Friend is different. If we want to go somewhere far away in Hueco Mundo, Spider Friend is our first and often only resort. Upgrading Descorrer gives us the ability to open portals to the same world, allowing for long distance travel at a speed that exceeds Spider Friend. We would have no need for his ability to quickly traverse Hueco Mundo, as we'd be able to do the same except faster.

As for your other claim, the time Cirucci went to Karakura Town to fight Ichigo was her first time going there, but she had no trouble opening a portal right to that location with just the second level of Descorrer. Ulquiorra appeared where Yammy was with Descorrer despite never having been to where he was. All the evidence suggests that knowing how to go somewhere is not necessary to be able to portal there. There is no evidence that suggests that Descorrer is limited to places where you've been or to where you know how to go.
 
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Sure, I am sad we didn't get the healing, but watching Szayel happy is a decent trade-off.

"No, it's fine, I don't expect thanks. I did it all…" He curtseys deeply, "for the love of the art."
And Luppi's probably honest too! Okay, he didn't do it entirely for the love of the art, he also did it because he found it funny, but he does seem invested in the opera and wants to see it become worthy of ghost mexican Michael Bay.

What is with Telsa and picking some of the worst people to follow?
Tesla straight up says why. He finds the Espada that are alone and pledges himself to them, with the downside that the Espada without Fraccion usually have a reason for that. Seeing as he styles himself a knight, he probably does this to take care of menial tasks for his "lord" so they don't need to waste time and energy on things below them.

Also:
"A belated pang of guilt for taking out two of our most valuable pieces in her hunger for prestige? Fascinating, if pointless. We are soldiers. We have no need of festivities."
Ulqiorra, you are being an idiot. You fully know what madness lead to Cirucci taking on Nnoitra, and it wasn't her hunger for prestige.

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What can I say, I have my delusions.

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And this I just need to see.

"Hand me the salt, Luppi."
"..."
"I said, hand me the salt, Luppi."

Aaand it just strikes me that Nemo is one of those people who ask for things at the dinner table via gestures so as to not disturb whatever conversation is going on.
 
I think, if the goal is to be less sadistic, the best plan is to skip the pain idea altogether, and try to use Marana to induce rage directly. Yammy doesn't become strong by hurting, he becomes stronger by getting angry. Hurting makes him angry, yes, but there's no real reason you have to go through the step of hurting him first. And if you could just generate an anger feedback loop directly, injuring him to cause pain would be suboptimal, since injury weakens him as it angers him.

Beyond that, there's the whole problem of being crushed into a suit that's too small causing agony. That's harder to fix than having spikes on the inside of the suit. But, well, Nemo signed on to help build a torture suit, so there's probably no way to get rid of all the torture, or even most of it.
Good point, didn't think about just making him angry directly.

As for worrying about the suit being too small, something similar to a Caja Negacion, where most of Yammy's bulk is in an alternate dimension might be feasible.

It's right there in the update; dissociation. He feels all the pain and anger, but doesn't care about it. Bam, two thousand percent less horrible. The entire feedback loop is in the background of his mind.
The problem with that is that it might count as being less angry if he's dissociated from it.
 
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[X] This is the first time Luppi is sitting with you and Cirucci at the dinner table. The situation is volatile, but you can handle it. Hopefully.
 
It's right there in the update; dissociation. He feels all the pain and anger, but doesn't care about it. Bam, two thousand percent less horrible. The entire feedback loop is in the background of his mind.

Then you take the clarity of the foreground of his mind and use it as the basis for a robotic operating system, so that Syazal doesn't constantly have to make sure that he's not going to kill anybody Aizen likes.

Less torture = Terminator Yammy. The perfect plan.

Even better if Szayel leaves the OS design to Nemo so we get Robo-Butler Yammy.
 
My interpretation of the vision Nemo had while sensing the Quatro is that the devil overlapped on him is his release, and the lock around his heart is (maybe) his bonus release form.

Likely Nemo doesn't understand and won't until/unless Ulquiorra goes super duper sadbat.


Edit: Was sadbat made with the plot rock? I'm wondering if he knows how the old Espada were more nobility than power monsters.
Sadbat is, as far as it's known, a Natural arrancar.
 
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