Napoleon by Ridley Scott

I mean, what I heard of it is things like the Duke of Wellingtong getting heroic shots while Napoleon broods, a British ambassador owning him, and an ending where a tally of the dead from his wars is shown. It feels less like grounded and more like depicting an opponent as pathetic and only having been able to achieve success from failing upwards.

It's like making a work where Joan of Arc is "just a fucking cheerleader", and also Henry V was such a cool chad. Novel maybe, but I'm gonna look askance as to who it is from and what the intent is.

I have no love lost for Napoleon, I am Haitian so it kinda comes with the territory (the apparent non-mention of Haiti and the re-establishment of slavery in the movie kind of tells me what the priorities of what he did wrong were). But there is something fascinating about a power hungry dictator so charismatic he made a republic forget its republican ideals, had an army fanatically loyal to him, and stole people's wives and lovers, while at the same time paying lip service to the Revolution's ideals with things like the Napoleonic Code and fighting European powers not much better than him (and would go on to do imperialism of their own after he died).

The portrayal as it is just makes me go "meh" and feeling like Phoenix is redoing Arthur Fleck.

Oh sure, but this comes off as more you just...not being interested the angle Scott took on Napoleon and/or not being interested in Phoenix's performance. That's not a moral failing on Scot's part, or evidence of him being some kind of pro-British propagandist or whatever. It's just you not being interested in his artistic interpretation of history. Like your description of Napoleon as:
...a power hungry dictator so charismatic he made a republic forget its republican ideals, had an army fanatically loyal to him, and stole people's wives and lovers, while at the same time paying lip service to the Revolution's ideals with things like the Napoleonic Code and fighting European powers not much better than him...

Is pretty much the standard Romantic Napoleon myth, and honestly I'm kind've with Scot on rolling my eyes at historians and telling them to "Get a life". A movie has no inherent obligation to historical accuracy or sticking with established historical narratives, that's what documentaries are for. A film is a fiction ideally in search of an ecstatic truth, and is a medium that operates in visual and narrative short hand. So who gives a shit if Napoleon didn't actually shoot the nose off the Sphinx when the point is that it's meant to be a demonstration of his growing ego and megalomania?
 
I mean, what I heard of it is things like the Duke of Wellingtong getting heroic shots while Napoleon broods, a British ambassador owning him, and an ending where a tally of the dead from his wars is shown. It feels less like grounded and more like depicting an opponent as pathetic and only having been able to achieve success from failing upwards.

It's like making a work where Joan of Arc is "just a fucking cheerleader", and also Henry V was such a cool chad. Novel maybe, but I'm gonna look askance as to who it is from and what the intent is.

I have no love lost for Napoleon, I am Haitian so it kinda comes with the territory (the apparent non-mention of Haiti and the re-establishment of slavery in the movie kind of tells me what the priorities of what he did wrong were). But there is something fascinating about a power hungry dictator so charismatic he made a republic forget its republican ideals, had an army fanatically loyal to him, and stole people's wives and lovers, while at the same time paying lip service to the Revolution's ideals with things like the Napoleonic Code and fighting European powers not much better than him (and would go on to do imperialism of their own after he died).

The portrayal as it is just makes me go "meh" and feeling like Phoenix is redoing Arthur Fleck.
This is 100% my line of thinking too. My interest in a Napoleon biopic is in how you depict and analyze a guy who by sheer force of will and military genius forced European history along his vision for almost 15 years both with and against the more grinding processes around him at will. He's a dictator who ended the French Revolution but also Hegel's "history on horseback" spreading the liberal legal regime it created. He's a figure of contradictions who was both with and against all the major classes of the era's conflicts but somehow managed to ride that tiger for years and numerous conflicts before being thrown off. Where do you come down on depicting a guy who restored monarchy and the power of the Church in France but was simultaneously hated by the aristocracy of all Europe and excommunicated?

The British myth of Napoleon that Scott seems to be going for here, where he's just a venal proto-Hitler motivated by ego and sexual inferiority, is not only the least interesting version but also the one that makes me want to reject it and defend him out of spite. It's a Black Legend created by the British landowner-bourgeois elite to glorify their own war against him that both willfully suppresses his achievements and ignores the real evils he did that are worth noting in a modern history.
 
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Honestly even with the generous interpretation of Ridley Scott's intent I think there is such a thing as going to far, and here that's when it comes to the point where you wonder how the hell Napoleon did what he did at all.
 
I mean, it's not like the movie denies any of the things Napoleon achieved, or just how damn brilliant he was as both a general and a political operative. It just refuses to portray him as the superhuman that many remember him as. Or the fact that the splash he made was just as much a product of the historical events happening around him as it was his own skill and ambition.
 
So who gives a shit if Napoleon didn't actually shoot the nose off the Sphinx when the point is that it's meant to be a demonstration of his growing ego and megalomania?
I mean this, right there, is a specific thing from British anti-Napoleon propaganda. If it's in a movie, it doesn't sound like an artistic choice or saying anything new, it just sounds like regurgitating the same old shit.

Which is kind of the reverse of the medal of what you're saying. Lots of media portray Napoleon as this Great Man, of course. But just as many borrow from Britishisms from back when they propagandized about him and portray him as either le demonic Corsican Ogre or bumbling fool who has a complex about his height. Neither are very original takes.
Is pretty much the standard Romantic Napoleon myth, and honestly I'm kind've with Scot on rolling my eyes at historians and telling them to "Get a life". A movie has no inherent obligation to historical accuracy or sticking with established historical narratives, that's what documentaries are for.
Did you miss that I mentioned that he re-established slavery? If I want a lionization of the man, I can just watch French media for that.

What I was expecting was a more complex character exploration of a very flawed and contradictory man who did both good and bad shit for his ambition. And more than that, this exploration of France as a country who created itself for liberty, but paradoxically fell for a dictator, fought against another revolution from its own oppression, and acted as a conqueror of European lands (Rhineland/Benelux), all somehow in the name of liberation of peoples.

As it is, either I get Napoleon the God propaganda (France) or Napoleon the Fool propaganda (Anglosphere as British stuff is exported over), no in between or more original takes.

In a year where Oppenheimer came out, Napoleon just really pales in comparison.
 
I'm just not understanding the value behind making so much of Napoleon's drive a kind of psycho sexual drama with Josephine. That seems incredibly reductive. Honestly I just got the impression of looking at an aged version of the Commodus from Gladiator, with the same unhealthy obsession with his sister, with Josephine in its place.
 
It's like making a work where Joan of Arc is "just a fucking cheerleader", and also Henry V was such a cool chad. Novel maybe, but I'm gonna look askance as to who it is from and what the intent is.
*cough*Shakespeare*cough*Henry VI P1*cough*

Though in that case, I suppose, there's no need to ask what the intent was.
 
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Oh sure, but this comes off as more you just...not being interested the angle Scott took on Napoleon and/or not being interested in Phoenix's performance. That's not a moral failing on Scot's part, or evidence of him being some kind of pro-British propagandist or whatever. It's just you not being interested in his artistic interpretation of history. Like your description of Napoleon as:


Is pretty much the standard Romantic Napoleon myth, and honestly I'm kind've with Scot on rolling my eyes at historians and telling them to "Get a life". A movie has no inherent obligation to historical accuracy or sticking with established historical narratives, that's what documentaries are for. A film is a fiction ideally in search of an ecstatic truth, and is a medium that operates in visual and narrative short hand. So who gives a shit if Napoleon didn't actually shoot the nose off the Sphinx when the point is that it's meant to be a demonstration of his growing ego and megalomania?

Historians are telling scott his movie isn't historic, which is okay. Scott is raging and going "Well I think my movie is very historic and historians are all dummies today anyways. The best historians are the old racists"
 
So if the romance stuff was glossed over, the military stuff was glossed over and the political stuff was glossed over what was the movie about?
I've watched it, and I'm not sure. But yeah, it does feel this movie tries to cram waaay too much into an hour and a half (Napoleon's career is way too long and interesting for that) and ends up giving abridged surface level summaries of important events in Revolutionary French history.
 
On the subject of posthumous hatchet jobs:
I've never had my opinion of a dead person reduced by a living person doing a 10 hour youtube rant about them or w/ever. It always makes the living person look like a loser. Ultimate example of kicking down. It's not impossible that one day someone will produce an example that breaks this rule, but it's never happened yet. If someone makes a list of top 3 presidents and doesn't put in Lincoln I don't rate Lincoln lower, I rate the lister as a bad lister.

On this movie:
I'm not, like, trying to stan this dead dictator, I'm mad that I paid to see a movie and got to watch the creators work out their issues against a gravestone. Like, totally irrespective of the merits of your moral case, if you sell people tickets, you owe them a show.

This movie was narrative malpractice. Rant in spoiler text, which contains spoilers for this movie, in the form of an imaginary letter to the creative staff of Napoleon:
Forget about the decision to burnish your laurels by sneering at another country's history. (Though, on that subject, you hacks, Bill & Ted did more damage to Napoleon in 30 minutes than you managed in however long this nonsense was.)

In a story, there must be a POV that the audience feels a kind of way about (can be good or ill). This POV must care about things, and take actions, and then consequences ensue and... (insert Joseph Campbell boilerplate, or, more this crew's speed, Rick and Morty's ep dealing with same).

Napoleon becomes First Consul because he is told to. He falls helplessly in love with Josephine at first glance. Then he becomes Emperor because he is told to. Then he divorces Josephine because he is told to. Ok. But if your protagonist isn't, for better or worse, making decisions, maybe the movie should be about that other guy, the one who decided that important stuff? There's a hole in the center of this movie, and it wears a dumb hat.

Napoleon deserts his forces in Egypt because Josephine is cheating on him. Then he returns from Elba because Josephine is cheating on him. Ok. But if you don't go into why Josephine is doing these things, then the war in Europe is caused by the guy who decided to fool around with Josephine? It feels like it would be super interesting to know why Josephine is doing what she is doing, if she is the coprotagonist that her screentime indicates.

There were like 8 movies in this material. Tell the story of how the guy at the center goes from being desperate to end monarchy to being willing to divorce the love of his life so the right bloodline stays on the throne. Tell the story of how a man desperate to unite Europe managed to do so only against himself. A man who proclaimed liberty, egalite, fraternite, and reintroduced slavery. Tell Wellington's story, the man won with the 7th Coalition, the name itself suggests the narrative. Tell any story at all! Didn't this dude sell, like, half of the USA? Why'd he do that?

Like, at the end, there's a scene where schoolkids are owning Napoleon. But it is news to us that he wanted credit for burning Moscow! The last time we saw him revisit this topic, he was only too glad to blame Russia. When did he switch? He congratulates an enemy for causing him to make a mistake by sparing an army, wouldn't it have been cool to see him make that mistake, and get the reasons for and against?

Finally, putting the lives lost in these wars in sorrowful postscript, after profiting off a film whose emotional throughline is how rad it is when the guns go boom and the men fall down, is not cricket, brah.
 
Some of my thoughts coming back, crossposted from SB.

First off, I'll say that what I actually had hopes for, Joaquin Phoenix turning out a good performance was dashed. Phoenix is a great actor, but either he didn't care for this part or was handed a terrible script. He comes off as more like Arthur Fleck from Joker than Napoleon Bonaparte. He plays the part as an awkward, shy, weird dude who whispers or whines out half his lines. There is no indication of any charisma or larger-than-life qualities in there whatsoever. The Napoleon of the movie might talk (more like whine) about his 'destiny' or 'will' on occasion, but he more seems to blunder upwards than actually have any drive, ambition or initiative of his own.

He's also way too old for much of the movie - it's incredibly weird seeing a film try to fit the entirety of Napoleon's career in a runtime that's maybe three hours to begin with, and seeing a man in his fifties playing a fresh-faced captain at Toulon and then looking the exact same at Waterloo, decades later is just ridiculous. There's not even really an effort to hide it with makeup - the only changes he undergoes are clothes and a haircut.

But maybe Phoenix's performance is this way because of the script and direction rather than being the actor's fault. The film really fucking hates Napoleon. To an outright comical, even embarrassing degree. No matter what, it will go out of its way to paint him as a pathetic loser. This is most obvious whenever the British appear. Early on, the movie has Napoleon encounter the British ambassador, who proceeds to OWN the Corsican Ogre with his STIFF UPPER LIP. The ambassador looks on in passive dignity while Napoleon rants incoherently about how the British think they're so great because they have BOATS. And of course, once the uncouth Bonaparte pouts away into the distance, the unflappable ambassador cracks an one-liner about what a shame it is that such a great man has no manners.

At Waterloo, the impression you are given is that the only reason Napoleon is even alive is that the British are merciful and have a sense of fair play. A British marksman (complete with anachronistic sniper rifle, it even has a scope) sees Napoleon and tells Wellington that he can nail him - only to be rebuffed, because "generals shouldn't shoot at one another". See, Wellington is such a gentleman that he gets not only a physical, but also the moral victory over Napoleon. Bonaparte is defeated before the armies even clash. He only made it to the battle because his enemies are better, more chivalrous men. Then at the battle itself, you have the infamous scene of Napoleon leading a cavalry charge. It was actually something that made me wonder while watching the film. Clearly, the movie has no love for its subject. But how does that square with the seemingly over the top heroics of the trailers? Well, here's the answer - it's the set-up to paint Napoleon as being a loser, once again. He charges into the fray, then while one of his men (not Ney - none of the marshals are named in the movie, but he steals Ney's words) talks about watching how a Marshal of France dies, Napoleon's hat is shot. He is terrified by this, and leaves his men to die, retreating from the battlefield, the camera dwelling on this cowardly, pathetic sight through Wellington's eyes.

Afterwards when they encounter one another at the HMS Bellerophon, Wellington (Told to watch his head as he approaches because he's tall and Napoleon is short. It's funny, haha) sees him talking to a group of enthralled ensigns. Napoleon is of course pettily complaining about how his Marshals are incompetent and lost him Waterloo, and one of the officers observes that the ensigns seem quite taken with the emperor. Perhaps in another film, the impression you might get is that this is a nod to how people continue to be impressed by Napoleon's accomplishments to this day, but in the tone of the movie, it's clear that the answer is rather different - only children could possibly be impressed by this petty loser. Even at St Helena, he can't catch a break - the final shot of Napoleon in the movie is him insisting to two little girls that he burned Moscow, only to be corrected that it was the Russians who did so, in order to repel him. (The movie makes it clear that Napoleon is scrambling to get some credit, because we see Moscow burn in the film and he has nothing to do with it)

It's a fairly consistent pattern even outside the masturbatory depictions of the British. At the coup of Broumaire, we see Napoleon do a literal pratfall. He gets mobbed, runs away in a huff and falls down two flights of stairs. Naturally, the film dwells on his marital troubles, because it's another way to make its protagonist look ridiculous. He abandons the Egyptian campaign because he discovers that Josephine is cheating on him. He leaves Elba because he reads a newspaper which says that Tsar Alexander seduced her. The Italian campaign is skipped over entirely, but we have room for awkward sex scenes which mostly are there to show him as being bad at sex. (Why this is relevant is quite beyond me)

If the message being "NAPOLEON BAD" was not clear enough, the film ends with a scroll telling you how many people were killed in the Napoleonic Wars. (Ironically, in a film that reaches so hard to make Napoleon look bad, not a word is said about Haiti or Spain. Even more ironically, Marengo is included in the "NAPOLEON BAD" list despite the film telling you "Italy" surrendered without a fight)

This is not to say that you can't have a more negative depiction of Napoleon. But the problem here is, that the movie's notion of Napoleon being bad seems to be that he hates Britain for its BOATS and that he has no manners. No attempt is made to meaningfully engage with the man, the good and evil he did, or the implications of his legacy. Rather than grapple with Napoleon as a person, it tries to cheapen him by making him into a ridiculous, pratfalling caricature.

As a movie too, it's just hopelessly muddled and confused. It's very apparent that trying to cram a life like that of Napoleon into a 3-hour movie was a mistake, because while the movie has breadth, it does justice to nothing it portrays. It's less a story and more a series of incidents, only very loosely tied together. The film is about many things, but it does nothing well. Is it a battle film? Not really. The battles are small, short and unimpactful. Austerlitz is less than ten minutes and bears no relation to the actual battle. Is it a character piece? Maybe, but not a very good one. Napoleon's psychology is not meaningfuly examined because the movie is more interested in making him look like a loser. Is it about Josephine and Napoleon's relationship? That's probably the clearest through line I could detect, but it doesn't tell you anything interesting about either person - Napoleon is obsessed with her but we're not sure why. Josephine often seems more like she tolerates his existence than anything else, then shifts to liking him and being hurt that he divorces her. There's no meaningful development for either person.

And the film doesn't really have any characters at all besides that. Napoleon's marshals are wholly absent from the film - the only time the word 'marshal' is uttered is at the Bellerophon, when Napoleon complains about them. Characters enter and exit the stage without introductions - I certainly had no idea who most of the people in the story were, because they just don't have names and are rarely ever introduced. Francis and Alexander appear, but have no discernible traits beyond being obstacles for Napoleon. Wellington only appears at the very end, and has nothing to him beyond being this unflappable tower of British dignity and badassery that ol' Boney cannot hope to match. Talleyrand is sleazy, in this rather generic fashion of speaking in a roundabout manner, for the two or so scenes that he features in. Napoleon's family besides his mother are pretty much absent. You get nothing from the soldiers, their hopes, dreams or any thoughts - they're just generic spear carriers. (But unlike Homeric heroes, the protagonist of this movie has nothing interesting to him)

Compare this to Waterloo, a film from over 50 years ago, with no CGI to speak of and much more limited technology available to the production. Waterloo manages to tell a tight story, with stirring performances from its cast. It established characters, and showed us what the people participating in the battle might think. It had beautiful cinematography, with battles that put anything released since to shame in terms of actual, real scale (there were 15,000 costumed extras involved), and scenes that look like period paintings in terms of color and composition. Rod Steiger even managed to convincingly portray Napoleon late in his life as an imposing figure, declined from his golden years, egotistic and stubborn, but still energetic, intelligent and charismatic, the kind of man you can understand people followed across Europe, unlike the awkward, whiny loser that Phoenix portrays. You even get a clear picture of tactics, the back-and-forth between the commanders, or the bravery of the soldiers. It shows that you can do a great movie, while also keeping to a good standard of historical accuracy.

Stick with that, and don't waste your time on this film.
 
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Its going to repeat what others have said but I do think its worth going on all the stuff that isn't there:

-Anything on the first campaign of Italy, which was Nappy's big breakthrough moment, beyond a quick mention that it surrendered without a fight, which it certainly did not.
-Anything on Haiti or colonial policies.
-Anything on Marengo except for the credits.
-Anything on the War of the Fourth Coalition outside of Tilsit, despite the smashing of Prussia being arguably the peak of la Grande Armée as one of the most proficient meat grinders in history.
-Anything on Spain and Portugal.
-Anything on the Continental system beyond a vague sense that 1812 was because of Russia resuming trade with Britain.
-Any mention of Nelson.
-Any mention of his marshals.
-Wagram
-Anything about his family outside of his mother and his brother Lucien's role on 18 Brumaire.
-Anything about his relationship with Marie Louise (kinda odd considering the focus on his romantic life)
-Anything on his relationships with his noteworthy mistresses except for an ahistorical take on how he met Éléonore Denuelle (see above, Maria Walewska not being around is especially noteworthy considering the strength of his relationship with her was one of the main points of contention of the last years of his marriage with Josephine).
-Any mentions of his ministers beyond name-dropping and bit roles for Taleyrand and Caulaincourt.
-Anything between the Russian campaign and his first abdication.
-Anything on his political motivations to return from Elba.
-Anything about his childhood.
-Anything really touching on the ideology of his regime beyond not being the Bourbons or the Jacobins.
-Anything really establishing his relationship with his beloved soldiers and his political supporters.
-Anything about his civil reforms...

I am probably missing other stuff but I do think the list is long enough to make the point. Like, obviously some choices have to be made but the list of stuff left out shouldn't be this long.

Essentially, I get the sense Scott wanted to make Napoléon and Joséphine, or even just Joséphine, but people around him knew the French Iliad was easier to market, which led to an unwieldy compromise where the movie tried to somehow be both, with an emphasis on the former.

The result is, as someone else said, a series of Vignettes for the political and military that someone needs to be already familiar with Nappy's career to follow, but who, at the same time, have enough ahistorical stuff to feel quite off at points for someone who does have that knowledge, and at the same time doesn't have the space too dwell deeply enough in the intricacies and messiness of the imperial couple's relationship to make it work as the base of the movie.

The movie isn't without quality, the costumes having been rightly praised for example, but its fatal flaw is that it seemingly doesn't know what it really wants to be.

I'd give 5.5/10 fancy Napoleonic hats.
 
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Its watchable, and its quite possible that the longer cuts would improve it quite a bit, but its a disappointment, at least for me.
Oh yeah, I bet too. Just wished it would be on Hulu instead of Apple TV. Shit, put it on HBO Max, they have lots of historical, and biography movies on there.
 
Oh sure, but this comes off as more you just...not being interested the angle Scott took on Napoleon and/or not being interested in Phoenix's performance. That's not a moral failing on Scot's part, or evidence of him being some kind of pro-British propagandist or whatever. It's just you not being interested in his artistic interpretation of history. Like your description of Napoleon as:


Is pretty much the standard Romantic Napoleon myth, and honestly I'm kind've with Scot on rolling my eyes at historians and telling them to "Get a life". A movie has no inherent obligation to historical accuracy or sticking with established historical narratives, that's what documentaries are for. A film is a fiction ideally in search of an ecstatic truth, and is a medium that operates in visual and narrative short hand. So who gives a shit if Napoleon didn't actually shoot the nose off the Sphinx when the point is that it's meant to be a demonstration of his growing ego and megalomania?

Call me crazy, but I think the bit where Napoleon is a bumbling buffon only survives because Wellington (a man famous for hating Napoleon) lets him live out of some bizarre sense of chivalry does have nationalistic undertones. Or the bit where Napoleon rants about BOATS. Or Wellington being SO TALL and Napoleon being so short.

The film doesn't come off as artistic, it only comes off as pathetic in the British seething about a centuries-dead man they defeated. The movie is simply repeating an interpretation of Napoleon as an idiot which is every bit as cliche as the Romantic one.

As others have mentioned, a film interested in a proper negative depiction of Napoleon would have been served better by exploring things like the actual atrocities he committed in Haiti instead of this nonsense about the French VIRGIN being dunked on by the British CHADS.

The idea that historians need to get a life for criticizing Ridley for repeating a chauvinist myth about Napoleon is laughable. Ridley, perhaps, should consider getting a life himself instead of whining when people call him out on being an old man seething about something that happened centuries ago.
 
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I personally enjoyed the movie. I know there was about as much missing as there was on screen but even trying to be accurate or a full encapsulation of someone like napoleon means bumping hard into the limits of film as a medium. A 10 billion dollar six hour epic would struggle nearly as much fitting it all in. That being said I am eagerly awaiting the inevitable directors cut.

I will also say that my favorite aspect of the film was its depiction of Napoleon as a creature of cruel duality. He had moments of total brilliance and competence and moments of embarrassing social faux paux. He felt like a real person and not just a caricature.
 
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Like if you want to pillory Napoleon, you got a lot of historical options to choose from: Abandoning his troops in Egypt to die so he could hold onto his ambition, driving the final stake in the heart of the floundering republic and forming the Empire, everything involving Haiti, and those are just the famous events. Let's not forget his documented megalomania and penchant for self-aggrandizement that could absolutely be used to paint a man descending further and further into his own obsessions of grandeur. Portraying Napoleon as a sexually repressed weirdo who bumblefucks his way into almost every significant moment he is famous for is... a choice, certainly, but not exactly a good one imo.
 
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On humanity, let's compare Steiger's Napoleon:


View: https://youtu.be/tOmTuPrSFog?si=kWw8qrOAPgELMi62

You can see Napoleon being anxious as he quite consciously takes a gamble. The film focuses on his shaking hands as he approaches the soldiers. You can see him hiding his hands, and putting on a face of calm confidence, seemingly resigned to his fate, whether the gamble works or not. Then a shift to joy as he sees the reaction of his soldiers, who rush to acclaim him.

That's actual humanity, the film taking its time to show you what Napoleon feels like in a very dramatic incident from his life. Anxiety, resignation, joy, you get to see all of these emotions pass through him.

(Also, you can actually tell what's going on because the film isn't slathered in a million hideous filters to suck all the warmth and color out of the picture)

Phoenix's monotone petulance just doesn't show any of these things. He plays the part as a dyspeptic frog who never shifts away from his mopey monotone. Mumbling and whispering your lines isn't humanization. Being mopey and a loser all the time isn't giving someone texture as a person. It's aping the cinematic language of humanization while not actually providing any real substance.
 
variety.com

Ridley Scott’s ‘Napoleon’ Reigns Supreme at Global Box Office With $78.8 Million

'Napoleon' may not have conquered the top spot in North America, but it emerged victorious at the worldwide box office.
The film, starring Joaquin Phoenix as the infamous French ruler, debuted to $78.8 million, including $46.3 million internationally — enough to stave off the competition on global charts. "Napoleon" brought in $33.1 million domestically in its first five days of release, landing in second place behind "The Hunger Games" prequel "The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes."

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"Napoleon," which has received mixed reviews and audience scores, cost $200 million and is far from a financial winner despite its reign this weekend at the global box office. But Apple, which backed the movie and hired Sony Pictures to distribute it theatrically, isn't overly concerned with the profits and losses of its movies (for now). Similar to the company's first big-screen swing, Martin Scorsese's $200 million crime epic "Killers of the Flower Moon," the company is hoping to build buzz for its eventual launch on Apple TV+.
 
So I watched this movie earlier today and going in I was fairly optimistic. I didn't really care about it supposedly being historically inaccurate or being aggressively English and was hoping that at the end of the day it'd still be an entertaining, visually interesting movie with a distinctive take/thesis on the titular person.

But the problem with this movie is that it's really boring. It does have a kinda interesting presentation of Napoelon as being this stiff, awkward, unimpressive dude but Ridley Scott seems to think that the only way to convey this portrayal is for the movie to be as stiff, awkward and tedious as possible. All the way through. It's absolutely fucking excruciating to sit through him having any kind of social or romantic interaction, which is the bulk of the movie. The battle scenes are competent and probably technically impressive, but they also just feel like they're there for the sake of being there and using up the budget, the narrative seems to have little-to-no interest in them beyond the need to check boxes.

I guess what might be academically interesting about the film is that it's sort of an anti-biopic. It doesn't sycophantically recite the standard mythology of how cool Napoelon is, it doesn't attempt to humanise Napoleon by portraying him as a complicated, grounded, understandable person, nor does it really present him as a villain to root against, since we don't really get a sense of how bad he is* because the surrounding context/setting is completely glossed over. Even the tally of "people Napoleon got killed" is only presented at the end, after you've (hopfully) survived the two and a half hour slog.

*To clarify, we get the sense that he's an absolute piece of shit on a personal level and arguably that's enough to root against him, but there is zero indication of, like, the broader ramifications of his actions, positive or negative.
 
You can see Napoleon being anxious as he quite consciously takes a gamble. The film focuses on his shaking hands as he approaches the soldiers. You can see him hiding his hands, and putting on a face of calm confidence, seemingly resigned to his fate, whether the gamble works or not. Then a shift to joy as he sees the reaction of his soldiers, who rush to acclaim him.

Also it retains Napoleon's native big boy Italian energy. It's ridiculous to try to turn him into a brooding fuckboy, that just doesn't work.
 
I have not watched this movie, so I'm not going to pretend I have. I will say a few things though, historical movies says more about the time in which is was made rather then it does about the time it portrays. Not solely about the time it was made, but more.

I'm going to give an example of the two movies that was given to me as an example of this.
In 1964 a movie came out called "The fall of the Roman Empire" that starred among others Sir Alec Guiness and Sophia Loren. The movie depicts the death of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, how his son Commodus takes over the empire after his father and a fictional general that lusts for the daughter of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus ends up eventually dying at the hands of said fictional general. Does the premise seem familiar? It should because:
In 2000 a movie came out called "Gladiator" that starred among others Russel Crowe and Joaquin Phoenix. The movie depicts the death of the Emperor Marcus Aurelius, how his son Commodus takes over the empire after his father and a fictional general that lusts for the daughter of Marcus Aurelius and Commodus ends up eventually dying at the hands of said fictional general.

The differance I'd like to point out is how the world is depicted. In the 1964 movie the world is described of consisting of two major empires and how it would be an absolute disaster if these two major empires ever went to war with each other. In the 2000 movie there is only Rome, Rome is the light and outside of Rome there is only darkness.

Neither of these two descriptions are even close to "accurate" and are very obviously made to represent and create a feeling of recognition among the audience.

So applying this to the movie about Napoleon. Which current political figure could Napoleon possibly represent? A short, autocratic, warring, bumbling buffon with repressed sexual emotions, who could this possibly be? The easy answer would be Putin, but a case could be made for Trump.
 
So applying this to the movie about Napoleon. Which current political figure could Napoleon possibly represent? A short, autocratic, warring, bumbling buffon with repressed sexual emotions, who could this possibly be? The easy answer would be Putin, but a case could be made for Trump.
I wouldn't say trump, because Napoleon won a lot of wars, trump never been in a war, nor has the knowledge of how wars work. "Guns are used to kill people, did you know that? Nobody knew that before" - trump probably.
 
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