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Nanoha spinoff - ViVid Strike!

Mizu said:
Hm. That brings a question to mind, actually - what would adult form be like when used by a 15-yr-old Einhart? Would she still get older, or would it be identical to her normal form? The adult mode always seemed to shift them into late teens/early twenties bodies to my eye, but it's never easy to judge ages in anime.
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Aren't the cast in the third Nanoha movie 16? How Nanoha/Fate/Hayate looks like then might give an indication of how Einhart is supposed to look like if she is 15.
 
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Andmeuths said:
Aren't the cast in the third Nanoha movie 16? That might give an indication of how Einhart is supposed to look like if she is 15.
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That film's believed to be sometime between the end of A's and the start of the StrikerS anime, actually, so it wouldn't have Einhart as a character. I will admit to being curious to see what Fate, Nanoha and Hayate look like before their 19-yr-old selves in StrikerS. Likely not much different really, but it'll be neat regardless.
justinkal said:
Should probably also add the more common and generic "magical girls" tag.
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*does so*
You know you can add tags too, right? It's in the upper left corner of the thread.
 
I would like to open up a possible debate, if it's possible, concerning Rinne. Her personality shift and motivations are probably one of the biggest open mysteries the first episode has set up, and depending on the answer, we probably are going to get a rather dark series, or a series who conflict stakes are fairly low, pedestrian and part of normal growing up, such as Vivid. So far, I've seen two theories about what caused Rinne to shift - the first theory is mine, which suggest that Rinne might be another victim of Project Fate, and the second is KarrinBlue prize-fighter/abuse theory. I think there's an interesting theoretical discussion that can be had, as to what made Rinne change when she was adopted, and I wonder if anyone has other theories on that matter?

I'd like to start by offering my take on KarrinBlue's "Underground adopted/slave gladiator theory" .

KarrinBlue said:
The Berlinetta family doesn't seem to be mages - the updated website says they're fashion moguls? But my guess was that for whatever reason they wanted a top-tier fighter of their own (underground rich person gladiator matches?) and so looked for some kid with a Rare Skill or something (I think Rinne's got the adultmode trick, same as Einhart and Vivio, comparing how she looks in and out of the ring, and possibly other ones), adopted Rinne, and then began working on molding her into a champion? For some reason. Probably nothing good, considering how Rinne changed.
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The key problem I have with the theory is that Rinne is competing in former, official tournaments and is highly exposed to the public eye because of her activities in the Strike Arts. Now, it's possible that one alternate variant is a replacement Goldfish theory - the Berlinetta's had a daughter who was a Mage and champion Strike Arts fighter, who unfortunately died young in an accident. So, the Berlinetta's looked for an orphan that best fit their dead daughter's appearance and skill-sets. Keep in mind that Mage is not necessarily an occupation in the Nanoha-verse, and one could easily be a fashion Mogul and a Mage - indeed, given the implications and potential customization of barrier jacket, being a Mage might be an advantage in the fashion business!

But the second reason why I am dubious that this is a straight-forward case of rare-skill adoption, is because all previous Nanoha-verse works generally run on two thematic conflicts - Artificial human beings/Mages (Original, Striker S, Force) and Walking Lost Logia/Lost Tech designer baby lineages (A's, Vivid, Striker S). I wouldn't be surprised if Fuka and Rinne's conflict is going to be intimately connected to either or both themes. And if those two themes are indeed present in Vivid Strike, it's quite likely that Vivid Strike is going to be a more serious,, higher stake series than Vivid is. There are ways for Rinne to be adopted by well-meaning foster parents, and yet turn out screwed up as a result of the adoption, if either Walking Lost Logia or Artificial Mage is involved with Vivid Strike's new cast.

P.s: I didn't see Lutecia in the OP. But since Fuka is going to get an Intelligence Device, I wonder whether Lutecia would make an appearance again in Vivid Strike as the Device Meister who will create Fuka's device. Or whether she won't appear, and Fuka gains her device from Einhart "as a gift" Einhart procured "from her contacts".
 
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I haven't even watched the first episode yet (thankfully that will change over lunch break, now that this thread has mentioned that it's on Amazon, yay!) but I'm just going to make the obligatory point that this is, at least tangentially, a Nanoha series, and MGLN is a stupidly optimistic franchise, that even when awful things happen to characters in canon (hi, Fate!) everything turns out happy and fwuffy in the end, thus far. (And the one series that didn't seem like it was going that way, well, guess which one got dropped mid-manga and replaced by a card-game series which turns the Happy!Fwuffiness! up to 11 to the point of making Precia a nice mommy to Fate.)
 
DezoPenguin said:
everything turns out happy and fwuffy in the end, thus far. (And the one series that didn't seem like it was going that way, well, guess which one got dropped mid-manga and replaced by a card-game series which turns the Happy!Fwuffiness! up to 11 to the point of making Precia a nice mommy to Fate.)
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I wouldn't exactly call the end of A's "fluffy". There's fluffy aspects to it, but not everything turns out well.

Reinforce Eins :cry:
 
Andmeuths said:
I would like to open up a possible debate, if it's possible, concerning Rinne. Her personality shift and motivations are probably one of the biggest open mysteries the first episode has set up, and depending on the answer, we probably are going to get a rather dark series, or a series who conflict stakes are fairly low, pedestrian and part of normal growing up, such as Vivid. So far, I've seen two theories about what caused Rinne to shift - the first theory is mine, which suggest that Rinne might be another victim of Project Fate, and the second is KarrinBlue prize-fighter/abuse theory. I think there's an interesting theoretical discussion that can be had, as to what made Rinne change when she was adopted, and I wonder if anyone has other theories on that matter?

I'd like to start by offering my take on KarrinBlue's "Underground adopted/slave gladiator theory" .



The key problem I have with the theory is that Rinne is competing in former, official tournaments and is highly exposed to the public eye because of her activities in the Strike Arts. Now, it's possible that one alternate variant is a replacement Goldfish theory - the Berlinetta's had a daughter who was a Mage and champion Strike Arts fighter, who unfortunately died young in an accident. So, the Berlinetta's looked for an orphan that best fit their dead daughter's appearance and skill-sets. Keep in mind that Mage is not necessarily an occupation in the Nanoha-verse, and one could easily be a fashion Mogul and a Mage - indeed, given the implications and potential customization of barrier jacket, being a Mage might be an advantage in the fashion business!

But the second reason why I am dubious that this is a straight-forward case of rare-skill adoption, is because all previous Nanoha-verse works generally run on two thematic conflicts - Artificial human beings/Mages (Original, Striker S, Force) and Walking Lost Logia/Lost Tech designer baby lineages (A's, Vivid, Striker S). I wouldn't be surprised if Fuka and Rinne's conflict is going to be intimately connected to either or both themes. And if those two themes are indeed present in Vivid Strike, it's quite likely that Vivid Strike is going to be a more serious,, higher stake series than Vivid is. There are ways for Rinne to be adopted by well-meaning foster parents, and yet turn out screwed up as a result of the adoption, if either Walking Lost Logia or Artificial Mage is involved with Vivid Strike's new cast.

P.s: I didn't see Lutecia in the OP. But since Fuka is going to get an Intelligence Device, I wonder whether Lutecia would make an appearance again in Vivid Strike as the Device Meister who will create Fuka's device. Or whether she won't appear, and Fuka gains her device from Einhart "as a gift" Einhart procured "from her contacts".
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It's possible that the answer is far more mundane than her being a clone or having a rare skill. It might simply be a case of "I've never been able to defend myself, but now that I can I'll never be vulnerable again." and she ended up viewing Fuka's concern as pity. Given her reaction at the end of the episode, she regrets what she did, but is probably too afraid of being viewed as weak to seek Fuka's forgiveness. Not everything in Nanoha has to be about clones and Lost Logia.
 
...TFW you realize that ViVid Strike! is Amazon UK only. :(

Ah, well, I consoled myself by watching the first episode of Izetta, the Last Witch instead, so at least my time was happily spent.
 
DezoPenguin said:
...TFW you realize that ViVid Strike! is Amazon UK only. :(

Ah, well, I consoled myself by watching the first episode of Izetta, the Last Witch instead, so at least my time was happily spent.
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For now at least. If Amazon UK got it, I'm sure someone else will get it elsewhere. I highly doubt that Amazon would license it only for the UK.
 
I mean I was mostly joking about Rinne being adopted for bourgeoisie fight club reasons, I'd be VERY surprised if that turned out to be what they're going with. Considering how high-profile the DSAA matches apparently are, Rinne wearing a Berlinetta brand jacket in matches would be good advertising. I mean, I headcanon that Sieg gets a lot of offers for sponsor deals and such due to her position as champion (and that this is how her current Barrier Jacket was designed, because the girl who's camera-shy and wears tracksuits naerly everywhere would probably not design a Jacket that had two separate boob cutouts.)
 
Quick question: what do you think are the chances that Yuuno or Vivio's cousins might show up?
 
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Hmm, I guess they might head to the Infinite Library if they need to do research for some reason, so Yuuno might cameo in that case. And cousins... Well any kids Miyuki or Kyouya might've had probably would stay on Earth, but Chrono and Amy's twins might be around the right age? It'd be cool if they did, though it seems unlikely.
 
The ViVid Strike website updated. The short-haired brunette with glasses (the one with Victoria in the opening) is Jill Storia, a trainer at the Frontier Gym currently working exclusively with Rinne. Maybe Victoria's a former student of hers?
 
KarrinBlue said:
The ViVid Strike website updated. The short-haired brunette with glasses (the one with Victoria in the opening) is Jill Storia, a trainer at the Frontier Gym currently working exclusively with Rinne. Maybe Victoria's a former student of hers?
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Speaking of the opening, I noticed Ixpellia was with Chantez. Did she ever fully wake up in ViVid, or is she still fun sized?
 
No idea! In the last chapter that got translated she was fun-sized, but those translations are about 24 chapters behind. So maybe it's already been resolved. That's the downside of this being set not only after the ViVid anime, but after the actual ViVid manga. And this is probably only going to get worse, because if ViVid introduces any major new characters or plot twists, then they'll be spoiled in ViVid Strike. And the longer ViVid goes, the more likely it'll run into the plot events of Strike, so I'm not sure what the manga would tell a story about, unless they plot ViVid Strike to give Einhart and Vivio and co enough time away from Fuuka to have their own separate plotline.
 
Given the fact that episode 1 already deconstructed two mainstays of the franchise (friendship and adoption), I'm expecting the lesbian subtext to be brought up at some point.

Fuka (talking about Vivio and Einhart): So are those two a couple or...?
Corona: Officially? No. But it's kind of obvious.
 
GotGame said:
Given the fact that episode 1 already deconstructed two mainstays of the franchise (friendship and adoption), I'm expecting the lesbian subtext to be brought up at some point.

Fuka (talking about Vivio and Einhart): So are those two a couple or...?
Corona: Officially? No. But it's kind of obvious.
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I don't know, episode 1 seemed to be going more for the Einhart x Yumina ship :V

ViVid is one of those PMMM style messes in which everyone gets shipped with everyone.
 
I do find it funny to see a 'normal' fighter (more or less) facing off against the Nanoha Vivid cast and pretty much being slaughtered...
 
Hm, the episode was a little underwhelming, and I'm still kind of :/ over That Scene. But next week looks fun!

Kind of annoyed adult mode is something everyone and their dog can do, apparently, and that whole scene seemed really out of place. Like, I know that in the original series, Nanoha made her barrier jacket by thinking about it hard, but in general Nanoha magic doesn't work by 'think about something really hard and it happens.' And I have NO idea what was going on with Yumina and Corona acting as Devices or whatever. Maybe it's more like their Devices were doing it? Well, I'll have to go with that, I suppose...

Although! I'm looking forward to seeing Rinne fight next week. And she actually uses magic in combat, which is nice. It definitely seems like her fighting style is the same as Sieg's, though I'd expect that overall she's not as good as it as Sieg is, considering the whole ancestral memory thing. Also the website updated with pictures of Scuderia and her barrier jacket, and it's confirmed that they're both Berlinetta-brand - Scuderia's based on their jewelry and Berlinetta Brand's designers made the Jacket.

 
While I was sorta OK with magical girl transformations when I was younger, it CAN be kinda creepy now.

And poor Fuka... she REALLY is the buttmonkey of the show.
 
KarrinBlue said:
Kind of annoyed adult mode is something everyone and their dog can do, apparently, and that whole scene seemed really out of place. Like, I know that in the original series, Nanoha made her barrier jacket by thinking about it hard, but in general Nanoha magic doesn't work by 'think about something really hard and it happens.' And I have NO idea what was going on with Yumina and Corona acting as Devices or whatever. Maybe it's more like their Devices were doing it? Well, I'll have to go with that, I suppose...
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Them acting as devices actually makes a certain amount of sense when you think about how magic works in Nanoha. Remember, Devices mainly act as calculators for the magic circles, so they were simply running the calculations for her. As for everyone having an Adult Mode, it was clearly a skill that people could learn in ViVid. Miura and Corona probably learned it during the time skip under the logic that having an extended reach when you're a hand-to-hand fighter is really useful.
 
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