My Older Siblings Cannot be the Dragonborn (Skyrim SI)
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Theaxofwar
Definitely not a Bunny Cat in disguise.
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I wonder if the amnesia he has isn't a side effect of being a SI. What if he was inserted into life as a young child and, on account of the bad situation and his lack of coffee, he started hating on the gods and, as punishment, they gave him amnesia and put him in a situation that leads to him acting quite devoted to the gods. Pretty sure I'm wrong, but considering the similarities in personality between Shade and Umbra, it might have some truth to it.
Wobulator
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The Aedra do not work this way.
Do you know how many times they've interfered in Nirn since Lorkhan?
One. The Oblivion Crisis. It took a Daedric Prince walking the earth to get maybe five minutes of Aedric intervention.
The Daedra a) Don't have the power to do anything(see: Azura's quest in Skyrim)
and b) Don't care much, anyways(except for maybe Sheogorath, but... he's Sheogorath).
The Elder Scrolls is not your standard fantasy world. It may appear that way from a surface perspective, but it isn't. It's nowhere near one.
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The word reflection has two different translations in Italian:
Riflessione and riflesso.
In particular, "the reflection (on the water)" is "il riflesso (sull'acqua)"
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For a more straightforward example: You like the Elder Scrolls series. You appear in a cart on the way to Helgen. You put in the extra mile to raise as many protagonist flags as possible because you are genre savvy. Some random bandit you showed mercy to on the side of the road is the Dragonborn; you have to take the path of the wizened fool pushing them on to greatness. More than that because you are genre savvy you recognize you're stuck in your position in the same way the protagonist is, you can't abandon your supporting character role because the gods said so. And the best part is the Gods could have easily picked some willing schmuck who would do the job just as well but they picked you for the sake of a more interesting plot.
THAT is how the Aedra mess with you.
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I'm Italian. I know. I simply went with the first that came to mind.
Mizu
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Umbra has quite a few interesting stories from his past. I want to hear more of 'em
As fantasy setting gods go, the Aedra are pretty chill. I imagine that any interference from their end is ridiculously subtle and non intrusive except for the astonishingly rare occasions that it's not. (one so far, the remains of which can be seen in the Imperial City)
Heh. We can, of course, believe him on all of that all of that because there's no way he'd lie about it. Right?
DarkSideBard
Flying, without moving on
It must seem strange to Berry that someone as young as Umbra is pulling all this wizened-old-wiseman-in-the-Himalayas-shit successfully. (So, Greybeard shit, basically).
Is he though? I mean really? When I spoke to Master Arngier in the game, he came across as someone who both knew what the hell he was talking about and could be trusted in his opinions due to his knowledge, wisdom, and maturity.
He still had a temper and other failings sure, but that never changed the fact that he always seemed like a serious straight shooter who always told the truth as far as he knew it. Only other person that seemed as trustworthy was Balgruuf the Greater.
Shade... comes off as kind of a looney.
Wobulator
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Or that was just pure luck and the Aedra really don't give a shit.
This is why the only Man-God you should pray to is obviously Sigmar.
Insomnius
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Well, he's still a godlike being afterwards, so, eh.
What? The Daedric Lords have the power to do all kinds of things, Azura's quest was not about Azura being unable to do things. It was about Azura being Azura.
This however is extremely true. The power to do things is meaningless if you lack the desire. Most lack any pressing need to do anything on Nirn, which is different than being unable. The closest we saw in Skyrim to a Daedric Lord having a hard on to get something done was Hermaeus Mora, who wanted the Skaal to teach him the secrets of horker skinning willingly. He achieved this and got to play games as well.
Not exactly high-stakes. Especially when it became obvious that Mirrak's "rebellion" was just Mora stringing him along.
Dead. He died, the Ministry of Truth eventually fell, and he's no longer considered a real god by those who actually would care in the first place.
DarkSideBard
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I would go so far as to say that being "kind of a looney" is a more appropriate sort of behavior than being "a serious straight shooter" with "knowledge, wisdom, and maturity" for the mysterious old mountain hermit trope. I mean, I think Umbra's (and, by extension, Shade's) 'wisdom' has an obvious kitsch to it, almost an obviously false smoothness in its tone.
I think that the sort of vague mysticism and weirdly pseudo-intellectual extemporaneous commentary that Shade's SIs tend to do can easily slide into that conceptual area. Plus stuff like him predicting Berry's return and then the rain starting. It's just one of the natural roles that Shade's characters fall into.
I mean, I guess I just jumped the gun on equivocating the Greybeards with that trope. I was just wondering about what the Tamriel equivalent would be, given that the Greybeards have an obviously analogous living situation.
Their equivalent trope is probably more like Septimus Signus. Creepy old wizard living out in the sea of ghosts, fucking with Dwemer stuff, Daedra all over the place.
Oh yeah. Shade is definitely more the Septimus Signus type than a wise old master. Hopefully he doesn't end up being a disposible tool for Hermaeus Mora like Septimus did.
Plus, Septimus was probably a touch more murderous than Shade, truth be told.
That whole "eccentric asshole hermit" thing is a terrible literary trope anyway.
Wobulator
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Sorry, I meant Meridia.
The one where you have to purge the necromancer from her temple.
Makes you wonder if the gods are not answering due to still being really, really annoyed by Umbra's previous history of basically cursing them out.
Ars Poetica
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- He / Him / His
This actually convinced me to pull out my old copy of Skyrim for my PS3 and give it a shot.
...I decided to start by putting my character at 100 sneak by stabbing someone repeatedly during the tutorial. Now, I'm working on improving blacksmithing and Speech skills -- it's slowgoing.
And lastly, did you know there's a hidden chest full of stuff located underneath Whiterun?
I found out when I glitched through the road. It's neat.
...I decided to start by putting my character at 100 sneak by stabbing someone repeatedly during the tutorial. Now, I'm working on improving blacksmithing and Speech skills -- it's slowgoing.
And lastly, did you know there's a hidden chest full of stuff located underneath Whiterun?
I found out when I glitched through the road. It's neat.
I had figured that was about forging a new champion. Send someone up against the deep darkness, reward them, send them forth to kick undead ass in your name.
She was throwing lots of energy around the whole time, I never got the impression that she was powerless.
It's a merchant chest, you were looting the inventory of a merchant.
Ars Poetica
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What merchant?
If I can find that merchant, then I'll be able to level up by Speech skill to 100 by repeatedly selling and buying my own stuff.
Mizu
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You'll need to be more specific on which glitch, as there's a few of them for Whiterun. Have a look for 'whiterun chest glitches' or something on youtube, I guess, see which merchant corresponds to each chest?What merchant?
If I can find that merchant, then I'll be able to level up by Speech skill to 100 by repeatedly selling and buying my own stuff.
Ars Poetica
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I actually found my man. He's the guy that makes mythical metal out of the souls of his friends, knowing these tools will be used to brutally torture and maim the locals and local wildlife.
...Also, I now have a free supply of Skyforge Steel. I will use this responsibly.