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Xela63 said:
Post-WW2, nationalism is very much too high for that. That should be nothing more than a pipe dream for some decades at least. Not to mention that the whole European community for coal and steal only happens in like 2 years.
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Minor knock-on effects of gate research back when it was discovered in the twenties. Being composed of Naquadah and requiring such a huge amount of power, the US has greatly expanded their power grid compared to what it would normally have been in the 50's. More people benefiting from electric and the federal government having accidentally into fairly efficient nuclear rather suddenly, which allowed them to beat the USSR to the first nuclear plant, the fed contributes more than 80% of the nation's power supply, an act which has provided the Fed with quite a surplus of funds that Truman has been pushing to invest back into the people, and having actual success with it despite his belligerence. Allies are jealous of the rapid development.

At the same time, the Russian DHD has allowed them to make strides in computing and electronics. Western-friendly agents have shared intelligence that suggests they've already compressed and advanced their computing to the point that they can outperform the Z4 by more than five times it's rate of arithmetic computation per hour, and they can use radio signals to control such computers. It's allowed them to create the first ICBMs, and intelligence claims they're accurate enough to hit a specific farmhouse in the Midwest if fired from Moscow. The Western European nations are terrified that unless they can band together and make some serious progress that they'll be left behind by the big colored blobs.
sunrise said:
@Powerofmind
As we can send more the one squad and/or platoon on a mission to a planet do they all need to have the same mission
Would Establish Offworld Outpost on [planet] and Diplomatic Engagement on the same planet count as one or two missions?
If we recruit a second company what kind of assignments can we give it?


This needs updating we researched the computer this turn.
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You can send multiple squads to a single planet with different objectives. For long term commitments such as a semi-permanent research outpost for half a year, the initial mission is the only one that costs an off-world slot. If you recruit another company, it would be best used offensively or on a strongly permanent basis off-world, such as an Alpha site or as a screen for any covert operation to Chulak, since it's on high alert.

Oops, I'll fix that up.
 
LordEdric said:
[X] Plan Meet more Neighbors
-[X] [CA] Normal - Regular operation conditions with three offworld missions
-[X] Sunchasers: Cartouche Mission OF2-P7Y
-[X] Snake Charmers : Fireteam Support
-[X] Third Interplanetary : Fireteam Support
-[X] Fourth Interplanetary : Fireteam Support
-[X] SG-1 : Cartouche Mission Z2P-7DQ
-[X] SG-2 : Diplomatic Engagement on Andana
-[X] SG-3 : Cartouche Mission NR8-D6O
-[X] SG-4 : Diplomatic Engagement on Nellania
-[X] Unknown Element: Study Alien Technology
-[X] Rainbow Bridge: Develop SGC Assets
-[X] Have more experts read in X2

let me know if you guys want to change anything
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I suggest that two of those experts be Catherine Langford and Ernest Littlefield, if only because they already know about the gate, and leaving them in the wind is a waste of talent that could be used for either Carotuche decryption or some other research.
 
[X] Follow up missions
-[X] [CA] Normal - Regular operation conditions with three offworld missions
Cartouche Mission:
-[X] Sunchasers +SG3 + SG4: Cartouche Mission OF2-P7Y
Andana:
-[X] SG-2: Diplomatic Engagement on Andana
Nellania:
-[X] Fourth Interplanetary + Unknown Element Establish Offworld Outpost on Nellania
-[X] SG-1 Diplomatic Engagement on Nellania
Defense/support:
-[X] Snake Charmers: Fireteam Support
-[X] Third Interplanetary: Fireteam Support
-[X] Rainbow Bridge: Develop SGC Assets
-[X] Have more experts read in [1 Pressure] x2
-[X] Have more experts read in [1 Steam]
-[X] Request manpower [Squads 3]

We can go to three planets per turn with regular operations and we met two groups we can follow up on. One of those is also a research opportunity so let us focus on those two.
Next, I used most remaining assets on a Cartouche Mission and am hiring 3 new research teams as one of the existing ones is going off-world for a while and we have work for more than two at the moment.
Recruiting Squads should be cheap pressure-wise as they are only 4 men each but will give us more options to chose from as each has its own bonuses.
 
Powerofmind said:
The Western European nations are terrified that unless they can band together and make some serious progress that they'll be left behind by the big colored blobs.
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I mean, that would just solidify NATO and force the EU into an early EU, quite positive developments, mind you, but nothing as extreme as a "United Nations of Europe".
 
Yeah you probably ment EEC or whatever it was called , european union was later and even then it really isnt a fullblown merger anyway.
 
Romv said:
Speaking of which, just how monstrously huge is the Dialing Computer currently? Useable transistors wouldn't be invented yet.
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The dialing computer takes advantage of advances in energy science and computing taken from study of the DHD on Abydos. Russia is working with a ~70's computing system, having had the DHD for much longer. Sam's research has pushed you as far up as the transistor, so while the dialing computer isn't small by any means, it's not so large as to eat up an entire wing on it's own. As opposed to Russia, however, the US power grid and energy sciences have also advanced nearly to the point of the 70's, and all the secret advances made in power generation to supply the gate have resulted in the federal government owning much more than their OTL 12% of the power production grid, which was a very profitable industry to be involved in.

Truman might actually win a third term, with how hard it is for the republicans to justify not spending that money and the Fair Deal being an entirely reasonable way to spend it.
FaxModem1 said:
I suggest that two of those experts be Catherine Langford and Ernest Littlefield, if only because they already know about the gate, and leaving them in the wind is a waste of talent that could be used for either Carotuche decryption or some other research.
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You will get experts based on certain behind the scenes opportunities.
Xela63 said:
I mean, that would just solidify NATO and force the EU into an early EU, quite positive developments, mind you, but nothing as extreme as a "United Nations of Europe".
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You have to look at it through the scope of the world news segment. Americans that are reporting on these sound bites don't really know what to call it other than 'the USA, but with nations instead of states'. Much of what's being said is also tentative, and hasn't come officially to any tables yet. At this point it's mostly posturing by the European powers to jockey for more authority in NATO and greater international cooperation from the inward-focusing US. If the US continues to pull ahead, and if the powers that be choose not to share or involve the other NATO powers, the Europeans will almost certainly try to band together, which could cascade into a lot of other regional groups banding together for many of the same reasons.
 
sunrise said:
[X] Follow up missions
-[X] [CA] Normal - Regular operation conditions with three offworld missions
Cartouche Mission:
-[X] Sunchasers +SG3 + SG4: Cartouche Mission OF2-P7Y
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Why did you send everyone to the same planet, when you picked normal and it give you missions to 3 worlds?
Visiting worlds you went to before doesn't cost mission slot
 
Which way did Italy go during their post war elections in this TL?

In OTL the Commies won, but the CIA and the Mafia helped to rig the election.
 
TheOmnimercurial said:
Which way did Italy go during their post war elections in this TL?

In OTL the Commies won, but the CIA and the Mafia helped to rig the election.
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I'm extremely confused, Italy was a NATO member and their leading political party of the era was the Christian Democratic party, a moderate party that regularly opposed Italian communist parties? I may have my information wrong but feel free to correct me if that's the case...
 
Powerofmind said:
I'm extremely confused, Italy was a NATO member and their leading political party of the era was the Christian Democratic party, a moderate party that regularly opposed Italian communist parties? I may have my information wrong but feel free to correct me if that's the case...
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He's comparing timelines of OTL to the in-universe timeline, but he requires secondhand confirmation.

For clarity, the communist party does really well in the backlash of WW2, but they don't win leadership of Italy.
 
sunrise said:
I read the rules as pick 3 [planet] that you can send missions to including repeat visits.
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Three unique planets, yes. That's the rule I'm sticking to for the moment, in part due to power demands, and in part due to the small, highly clandestine scale of your operation.
RookDeSuit said:
He's comparing timelines of OTL to the in-universe timeline, but he requires secondhand confirmation.

For clarity, the communist party does really well in the backlash of WW2, but they don't win leadership of Italy.
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Well, even the US is at risk of dangerous socialist backsliding at this rate. Truman accidentally has a country with enough money to commit to several elements of the Fair Deal, which included such things as minimum wage increases and universal housing programs. OTL, he never had the political clout (read: was kind of abrasive) or a big enough federal purse for the republicans or moderate dems to support his recovery plan, but rolling out a few of the most recent developments, including the first nuclear plant nearly a decade ahead of OTL, all under federal control, has given the country actual money, and a lot of bottom up goodwill towards Truman that the senate and house can't refuse without getting a lot of egg on their faces and a loss at their next election ticket. If the republicans can't hold down the Fair Deal, they won't be able to screech 'socialism is communism!' for the next five decades without people pointing to Truman's likely recovery successes.

You might see third or even fourth-term Truman if he leverages your discoveries well enough (and you get enough valuable discoveries that you disseminate publicly).
 
RookDeSuit said:
Huh, and this might stop the 22th amendment (presidential term limits) from ratifying in 1951.
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Frankly, even if it still passes, it was originally passed specifically with a clause that excluded Truman. He opted not to run for a third term, possibly due to the frustration inherent in being a blunt, forward individual attempting to get things done in Washington, D.C.
 
I am waiting for our version of Kinsey and the Trust to lose their cool once we come across the Tollans (not even talking about the Asgard, that is going to be even more hilarious).

We are not in the OTL's StarGate's 1990s 'End of History' 'Neoliberalism FTW!' here, folks.

We are at the height of the Cold War between Capitalism and Communism (however much this version of it is shitty, the core of the idea still evokes feelings of absolute dread in the Western elites at this time) and that will impact how people in power react to our discoveries of a post-scarcity post-economic money-less hyper-tech Human society.

The only saving grace for the Trust&co would be that the Tollans are not particularly revolutionary fervorous at spreading their system like the Soviets are.

Yeah. But rightwingers will still be losing their sleep at night from knowing that such things can exist under the rules of human psychology and sociology. It invalidates a lot of their future talking points of 'anything-but-capitalism being impossible to pull off' before they can even develop said talking points into OTL Neoliberalism.
 
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Durabys said:
I am waiting for our version of Kinsey and the Trust to go nuts once we come across the Tollans.

Post-scarcity moneyless hyper-tech Human society.

The only saving grace of the Trust&co would be that the Tollans are not particularly revolutionary fervorous at spreading their system like the Soviets are.

Yeah. Rightwingers will be losing their sleep at night from knowing that such things can exist under the rules of human psychology and sociology.
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Honestly, you're highly unlikely to get a Trust, or even a Kinsey, unless you do something especially stupid or have a real serious run of bad luck. Canon had much of the first few months of operation being a literal parade of incompetence and failures that ultimately led to one paranoid Colonel under-the-covers appealing laterally up the chain for oversight to a man with so little sense in his skull you couldn't rattle it and hear anything inside. If and when you acquire oversight, it will be from mostly reasonable individuals trusted by the president to ask the correct questions when necessary and shut you down only if your behavior is abnormal for your baseline.
 
Powerofmind said:
Minor knock-on effects of gate research back when it was discovered in the twenties. Being composed of Naquadah and requiring such a huge amount of power, the US has greatly expanded their power grid compared to what it would normally have been in the 50's. More people benefiting from electric and the federal government having accidentally into fairly efficient nuclear rather suddenly, which allowed them to beat the USSR to the first nuclear plant, the fed contributes more than 80% of the nation's power supply, an act which has provided the Fed with quite a surplus of funds that Truman has been pushing to invest back into the people, and having actual success with it despite his belligerence. Allies are jealous of the rapid development.

At the same time, the Russian DHD has allowed them to make strides in computing and electronics. Western-friendly agents have shared intelligence that suggests they've already compressed and advanced their computing to the point that they can outperform the Z4 by more than five times it's rate of arithmetic computation per hour, and they can use radio signals to control such computers. It's allowed them to create the first ICBMs, and intelligence claims they're accurate enough to hit a specific farmhouse in the Midwest if fired from Moscow. The Western European nations are terrified that unless they can band together and make some serious progress that they'll be left behind by the big colored blobs.
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Wait, the Soviets with early computing might pull it off...

On the other hand, Tuman being able to continue Roosevelt's progress...
 
Powerofmind said:
Minor knock-on effects of gate research back when it was discovered in the twenties. Being composed of Naquadah and requiring such a huge amount of power, the US has greatly expanded their power grid compared to what it would normally have been in the 50's. More people benefiting from electric and the federal government having accidentally into fairly efficient nuclear rather suddenly, which allowed them to beat the USSR to the first nuclear plant, the fed contributes more than 80% of the nation's power supply, an act which has provided the Fed with quite a surplus of funds that Truman has been pushing to invest back into the people, and having actual success with it despite his belligerence. Allies are jealous of the rapid development.

At the same time, the Russian DHD has allowed them to make strides in computing and electronics. Western-friendly agents have shared intelligence that suggests they've already compressed and advanced their computing to the point that they can outperform the Z4 by more than five times it's rate of arithmetic computation per hour, and they can use radio signals to control such computers. It's allowed them to create the first ICBMs, and intelligence claims they're accurate enough to hit a specific farmhouse in the Midwest if fired from Moscow. The Western European nations are terrified that unless they can band together and make some serious progress that they'll be left behind by the big colored blobs.
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Well, that does make a lot of sense, on one hand, the nationalism would impede such movements, the rapid tech escalation shown by the two big powers, even more than historical, would as a side effect up the pressure to try and stay relevant, leading to the idea of coalitions and alliances being thrown around to try and maintain relevancy when faced with the two giants...
Powerofmind said:
Well, even the US is at risk of dangerous socialist backsliding at this rate. Truman accidentally has a country with enough money to commit to several elements of the Fair Deal, which included such things as minimum wage increases and universal housing programs. OTL, he never had the political clout (read: was kind of abrasive) or a big enough federal purse for the republicans or moderate dems to support his recovery plan, but rolling out a few of the most recent developments, including the first nuclear plant nearly a decade ahead of OTL, all under federal control, has given the country actual money, and a lot of bottom up goodwill towards Truman that the senate and house can't refuse without getting a lot of egg on their faces and a loss at their next election ticket. If the republicans can't hold down the Fair Deal, they won't be able to screech 'socialism is communism!' for the next five decades without people pointing to Truman's likely recovery successes.
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I think that things are likely to be drastically butterflied away, which may even include the red scare depending on how things play out.
Powerofmind said:
If and when you acquire oversight, it will be from mostly reasonable individuals trusted by the president to ask the correct questions when necessary and shut you down only if your behavior is abnormal for your baseline.
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And regardless nice to know that our 'bosses' will be reasonable and oversight would be more focused on reasonable things, such as the very real possibility of the organization being coopted by body stealers...
 
LordEdric said:
Do I need to change my vote then?
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I don't remember what it was, but assuming you traveled to more than 3 planets, probably?
Wootius said:
Wait, the Soviets with early computing might pull it off...

On the other hand, Tuman being able to continue Roosevelt's progress...
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Well, Stalin is still in power for a little while, and that man was quite possibly the single most paranoid and spiteful SOB right next to Hitler. He had his political rival exhumed and used as a display piece right next to his own corpse in a public mausoleum. He stole and kept-on-hand said rival's letter to his predecessor calling him a sociopathic maniac who would destroy the communist experiment for the remainder of his natural life.

The Soviets having all the extra oomph only matters if Stalin isn't paranoid enough to turn it against his own people first.
Themarineguy said:
Well, that does make a lot of sense, on one hand, the nationalism would impede such movements, the rapid tech escalation shown by the two big powers, even more than historical, would as a side effect up the pressure to try and stay relevant, leading to the idea of coalitions and alliances being thrown around to try and maintain relevancy when faced with the two giants...

I think that things are likely to be drastically butterflied away, which may even include the red scare depending on how things play out.

And regardless nice to know that our 'bosses' will be reasonable and oversight would be more focused on reasonable things, such as the very real possibility of the organization being coopted by body stealers...
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Nationalism is one of the only reasons the Euros haven't already run to the table with each other. They're still holding out hope that the US will share some of their recovery efforts with them, or at least share some of their recent developments. Regardless, they're liable to make a number of exclusive deals amongst themselves to help kick their economies back up, such as major international railway builds and joint military efforts.

Yeah, I considered a few more of the potential butterflies of the existence of actual alien tech being a major booster to the powers that found them. Not to mention the moderate changes to things with Sam being a figure so much earlier doing research on the gate. The world is mostly the same as OTL, but there's enough weirdness that modernity will look very, very different. I would have been equally interested in the 2007 start, since I'd get to see how you guys would respond to having Obama as your POTUS, pushing for transparency in the program.
 
Powerofmind said:
I would have been equally interested in the 2007 start, since I'd get to see how you guys would respond to having Obama as your POTUS, pushing for transparency in the program.
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One one hand, more resources...
On the other, we would also be essentially doing a guerilla war against galactic powers that would end us the moment they both know our whereabouts and had the desire to crush us...
Which would probably have made things INTERESTING...
 
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