Money and Power: A Xianxia Merchant Quest
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Roth963
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Chachi mentioned
it is diamond, so I am not sure how it can grow should it get mind, I am guessing the combine all it's essences into a one smite attack is it's equivalent of a a mastery technique, or maybe it's foundation considering it is baked into it to such an extent.
If it does become sapient, I am guessing it will have limitations similar to diamond, the author mentioned it will be higher order diamond even if not a heaven forged one, so it might not be one to one, but probably it is impossible to teach it techniques.
Personal guess is that it may be capable of developing pillars on it's individual essences, every one having a diamond property warped by said essence, so an idea to check it for additional properties is studying said essences in diamond form and trying to replicate their effects through it, will also fit with the diamond description giving it diamond properties, those properties being unknown when paired with different essences.
Maybe it will have to go through a process similar to transportation, rejecting diamond so it may grow? Or maybe it is more like a spirit beast, it will forever grow in slow and steady pace, but not the jumps we do.
Maybe we should check records and stories of other legendary weapons, preferably those created by saints or used by them, especially sapient ones, it may give us a clue about our own weapon.
So I wonder if the idea to make it sapient succeeded, and it needs time or something else to grow it's mind, maybe it is like a baby and is still learning.
it is diamond, so I am not sure how it can grow should it get mind, I am guessing the combine all it's essences into a one smite attack is it's equivalent of a a mastery technique, or maybe it's foundation considering it is baked into it to such an extent.
If it does become sapient, I am guessing it will have limitations similar to diamond, the author mentioned it will be higher order diamond even if not a heaven forged one, so it might not be one to one, but probably it is impossible to teach it techniques.
Personal guess is that it may be capable of developing pillars on it's individual essences, every one having a diamond property warped by said essence, so an idea to check it for additional properties is studying said essences in diamond form and trying to replicate their effects through it, will also fit with the diamond description giving it diamond properties, those properties being unknown when paired with different essences.
Maybe it will have to go through a process similar to transportation, rejecting diamond so it may grow? Or maybe it is more like a spirit beast, it will forever grow in slow and steady pace, but not the jumps we do.
Maybe we should check records and stories of other legendary weapons, preferably those created by saints or used by them, especially sapient ones, it may give us a clue about our own weapon.
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Roth963
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I wonder if doing the merging while holding the spear may be beneficial for the spear, considering it's close alignment with holy lighting and diamond, best case scenario is that it gets refined, the author said it is higher order diamond, meaning it is two bonds from heaven forged.
Likewise, the spear is a symbol of our usefulness to heaven, considering we already created a holy artifact.
Likewise, the spear is a symbol of our usefulness to heaven, considering we already created a holy artifact.
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Pulling up the relevant info.
Does Uehkaitta have any more direct information about their intentions now that they are closer?
You couldn't have mentioned that first?!
Even if we win, they will just come back and trouble us again, but time is what we need most right now...
Could Nahualoztomeca disguise himself as a member of our clan, be the champion, then pretend to get severely injured in the duel? This way their honor is satisfied, we can spin it as them bullying us, and they hopefully won't come back for another round.
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Does Uehkaitta have any more direct information about their intentions now that they are closer?
You couldn't have mentioned that first?!
Even if we win, they will just come back and trouble us again, but time is what we need most right now...
Could Nahualoztomeca disguise himself as a member of our clan, be the champion, then pretend to get severely injured in the duel? This way their honor is satisfied, we can spin it as them bullying us, and they hopefully won't come back for another round.
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Given we are warned that they want us dead that sounds way to risky to try, I would consider battle but given there clan is combat focused and we aren't I don't think we'd win.
Given we are warned that they want us dead that sounds way to risky to try, I would consider battle but given there clan is combat focused and we aren't I don't think we'd win.
Generally you don't want to lose duels, because they have stakes that are enforced by imperial agents. Dueling culture and its enforcement by the imperial bureaucracy is the primary dispute resolution system of the empire and is extremely foreign to us in our world, but you can almost think of it as the equivalent of suing someone / getting sued (it's even closer to going to a formal arbitration if you're familiar with that, the imperial agent involved is even called an Arbiter).
If you can make it low stakes enough when setting terms it's a possible tactic, and he could throw the match in a low-risk way by convincingly losing.
If you can make it low stakes enough when setting terms it's a possible tactic, and he could throw the match in a low-risk way by convincingly losing.
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He could also maybe win, but still fake being injured to make them think at least they accomplished something. Not as soothing to their ego, but maybe soothing enough?
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Would that be a sub vote we do now, or will there be further negotiations once they get closer?
It won't be a vote for now.
I haven't decided if it's interesting enough to make a vote or if I'll just handle that part with a roll / Chachi and friend's best judgement.
I haven't decided if it's interesting enough to make a vote or if I'll just handle that part with a roll / Chachi and friend's best judgement.
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Nahualoztomeca being a master of illusion is the only reason I think this is feasible.
That is an important detail I had forgotten, I don't want to lose on purpose if it means we get stuck with an unfavorable agreement.
Roth963
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Speaking of agreement, assuming we win, with them possibly too proud to assume we can, we can maybe really really make the agreement unfavorable to them, but that brings another problem.
What do we want from those guys, they don't have money, their techniques are likely lesser than anything we could get from the lady and their best ones probably unorthodox besides, their special weapons (if they have those) are probably lesser to anything we can make and not even in the same league as our spear.
So what can we get from them? Maybe territory? Do they have any special territory we could take? Maybe they have heavenly conduits? Those will be extremely helpful, they can't be trusted to be body guards, which is basically the one thing they are good for.
Those guys do seem to be very useless.
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It's interesting that we created such an impressive artifact. I don't really like that it will be directed to some random worthy champion though.
The difference between a crafting specialist and a combat specialist is vast. We made up the different against Oku by being a major realm ahead, but being a minor realm behind made this utterly crushing and embarassing.
It's interesting that he can't create an illusion copying our spear, but rather needs to make one that simply looks like it separately. I guess artifacts have some natural copy protection in this world.
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The fact that dueling personally against a Transcendent is even an option after she saw how poorly she stacked up to a Liminal combat specialist shows how stupid Chachi's aggression flaw makes her.
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Roth963
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Should it ever be lost, at which point it isn't our problem, since we lost it, we might count as it's champion, so it might be helpful, in that if it is ever stolen, it will find it's way back to us, but it doesn't imply the spear is running from us I think, at least unless we did anti heaven things.
I'd rather it stay where it was so we could recover it in the future. Who decides when it is 'lost', heaven? I lose and find my cell phone pretty often, but my cell phone doesn't run away to find a new user.
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Roth963
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I think that once we use it enough, we can't lose it, we know divination can use a well used treasure to find a person, and that we can use basic imbuing to modify the effects of treasures (sometimes outright reversing them as we did in the fight against Oku), so we might be capable of using man hunter tool to find it should it ever be lost, although that relies on it being a well used treasure first, and possibly experimenting with the man hunter tool before the spear can theoretically be lost.
And I suspect the fate guidance thing is subtle and takes time, although I may be wrong.
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If we want to hurt them, we could ask for money anyways. I don't think we can hurt them enough to deter them or other from coming after us though, so I'd rather not.
We could ask for copies of some more techniques to extend our library? They have been around for a long time, so they probably have piled up a lot of stuff over the years. The more variety we have, the better our underlings can develop and the more easily we can do technique swaps with other clans.
Heavenly Conduits would be handy, though we don't want word getting out about how valuable they are to use if possible.
I don't like it either but suspect that if it gets lost enough that we can't easily find it, we will have bigger problems.
Indeed, Illusions are OP, but it's not like other combat specialists won't have their specialties as well.
Could be because it's an artifact, could be because it's a diamond and resists being in an illusion.
I wonder if he can create those realistic illusion-clones of half of something? Could be useful for studying how the inside of living stuff works while it's still alive.
I'd say there is a mix of inexperience in there too, but I agree that a direct duel would be very unwise.
Roth963
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Seems bad to me, what they have should be nothing compare what we get from the lady, we do get more variety, but it is such a small amount that it feels to me like wasting the request, even if we just ask for money instead.
Plus, the advantage of many more techniques is in the long term, and we need the short term more.
I think people know, we can make such a use of them through combination of a technique that was given exclusively only to us (and cost our father 50$+ other conduits), our brilliance, access to the best materials and the forge.
People know those things are useful, which is why the hoard them, at least our father did.
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You have a point about the likely size of their technique library vs the Ladies.
Maybe we could trust them to guard parts of our home front? If it's obvious when they fail, we just need to pay them enough and then attach a large penalty if our shit get wrecked while we are away. Though that might then invite their enemies to attack us when they wouldn't before...
I agree you about with how there isn't really anything they have that we know about except their military skills, which are useless to us since we either can't trust them and/or it invites even more problems. I'll be happy if we get out of this fight with no feud and a small loss or victory, though we can't win them all.
Maybe we could wager equipment? If we win we can equip some of our people and if we lose, it costs us a moderate amount of forge time and essence.
We are very high among the people who can best take advantage of them, yes.
Many people know they are useful, but the more people who know, the higher the price.
Roth963
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This is a situation where diamond mind would have been really handy, we could have asked for them to use their skills much more easily without fear of betrayal or them half assing their assignments.
Maybe with work we could have started a downward spiral for their clan, binding them with more oaths and deals, jobs and humiliations for the old order until they are our creatures, maybe something to work towards when we are more powerful and have diamond mind.
Maybe with work we could have started a downward spiral for their clan, binding them with more oaths and deals, jobs and humiliations for the old order until they are our creatures, maybe something to work towards when we are more powerful and have diamond mind.
Roth963
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A question, I know our money is spirit stones, with a single unit of $ being a supreme spirit stone, so my question is what are spirit stones used for, usually cultivation novels use them as cultivation aid, but you don't really need cultivation aid after hungering (unless you are weird like us), so what are spirit stones for?
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Yeah, Diamond mind would be very handy here. It's not quite to the the point where I want it over Diamond body yet, being hard to kill is probably a more useful superpower in the short term.
We might be able to lure them into a downward spiral, but I'd rather be making more profitable deals with other clans with our time instead. Also, while it would probably add a certain deterrence factor to our reputation, people might also become more afraid to make deals with us in the future.
We might be able to lure them into a downward spiral, but I'd rather be making more profitable deals with other clans with our time instead. Also, while it would probably add a certain deterrence factor to our reputation, people might also become more afraid to make deals with us in the future.