Money and Power: A Xianxia Merchant Quest

i think two acclimates (the one this quarter and one next) and a merge should prob work just fine tbh. seems like a good game plan to me. get stronk body. get 10% omni stat boost. Seems like it should be good imo.

Tho i think we should do acclimation + body next quarter and then reforge the final quarter before we leave.
We'd need to do the reforge in q4 regardless, since oku is going to be away at the tournament for q3. Otherwise, is be advocating moving it up and focusing on the business stuff first, to give us some space to do stuff to capitalize on any deals we make (eg forge stuff on commission) before we leave. But it's a moot point now.
 
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We'd need to do the reforge in q4 regardless, since oku is going to be away at the tournament for q3. Otherwise, is be advocating moving it up and focusing on the business stuff first, to give us some space to do stuff to capitalize on any deals we make (eg forge stuff on commission) before we leave. But it's a moot point now.
Oku is at the tourney this quarter though? Also tbh i domt wanna reforfe unless we have her with us. We need a body guard for how weak reforging makes us.
 
No, according to the decision prompt, the tournament is q3, but she's taking the whole quarter to train for it
 
Intrigue and Partners
Lord Tlaloc ended their meeting with a warning, "a promise is just words. We met here, with an audience of only beasts, because you haven't earned the protection of my open favor yet. The Nepoualistli Clan has a complaint against you, some beating of a distant cousin. I'm not in the mood to deal with it either way, so they'll come at you soon. A duel if they're being formal, an ambush if they're being cheeky. They are honorable sorts, in their fashion, so they will not attempt an assassination. I won't intervene in such matters until you deliver on your promise of service."

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"What did you learn?" Teo inspected the flowers without any real interest while he asked, their shared office was bustling as ever so they were meeting in the gardens for more privacy. As they wandered through the garden, Chachi took more interest than usual in the movements of the insects: the industrious labor of the bees, the patient traps of the spiders, the frenetic displays of the birds. The natural world hadn't been of much interest to her, but if Lord Tlaloc saw value in it there must be something she was missing.

Chachi frowned and forced her thoughts back to the events at the Court, "It's very… difficult to oppose a Lord. I did not expect the intensity of his presence to move me so deeply, or for him to lean on our supplier. I felt, I don't know exactly, trapped?"

Teo turned and grimaced as his back cracked, "that may not have been Lord Tlaloc directly. He allows his most trusted subordinates a lot of discretion, it may be that Lord Cuāpitzīniā or another party thought it would help smooth things for their Lord. Sticking to our plan may still have worked, the fact that they felt the need to intervene so openly, and meet so soon, indicates some amount of weakness on their part. I suspect they brought in a rival clan to extract the water and found it was a far more difficult process than they expected. Untreated Heavenspan Water has enough raw Teotl to destroy conventional equipment and damage the core of unprepared workers. What else? Look beyond your own feelings."

Chachi dropped into the 9999 revelations meditation for a few moments, "he seemed lonely, and bored," she mused, a bit surprised by the insight, "I expected him to be busy but he wasn't in a rush at all. He just let me ask whatever I wanted, and seemed happy to answer."

Teo's raised an eyebrow, "I can't say I agree. The Lord can have whatever company he wishes, and he has many responsibilities to keep him occupied. Regardless, I hope you begin to recognize the more delicate side of this business. We don't just make elixirs, we manage relationships. Last quarter you focused on the internal side of our business, this quarter we will address the external."

"If you will forgive some simplification, we have four types of friendly relationships: Subordinates, Allies, Partners, and Prospects. Subordinates are tightly bound to us and beneath us in status, so they rarely have room to complain, or to maneuver against us if we fail to address their needs. Still, it is important to keep them happy, or they may begin to undermine us indirectly. Allies are bound to us by blood and contract. They will not betray us lightly, but they can broken away if our relationship erodes enough. An alliance also goes both ways, we will be expected to aid them when they are in need, give them preferential treatment, and extend our trust to them. If we don't fulfill those expectations it will hurt our prestige and our relationship with all of our other allies. Partners share a network of profit and support with us, but they will leave as soon as it benefits them more to do so. We must make sure our interests align. Prospects have no existing relationship with us, but we have a mutual interest, with time and care they can become partners.

At the Court you met with two friendly parties. The construction clan were prospects, but I believe they are quickly becoming partners, we seem to have a strong relationship with them for now. If we want to make them allies, we should propose some long-term contracts, or even better, a marriage. Do not hesitate to offer a marriage if you are serious about a long-term partnership. We have many unmarried relatives... mostly my children and grandchildren. The marriage will not be forced, your offer merely means you are amenable to courtship opportunities between our families. The Farmer's Union are still partners, but our relationship with them seems to be weak. We will have to give them concessions if we want to keep them in our sphere of influence. Alternatively we can try to crush the union and take their best farmers for ourselves, making them subordinates.

You should meet with our friends directly on occasion. We can send representatives but they do not hold your authority or prestige. I have some time in your schedule dedicated to these meetings and appearances at Court this quarter. Meanwhile I will have a diplomatic tutor and texts on maintaining business relationships sent to our compound. You must study these arts or you risk humiliating the clan and alienating our most vital partners."

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"Really sweetheart?" at their afternoon tea, Chachi's mom seemed very skeptical of Teo's lesson plan, "you expect to learn how to deal with people from a dusty scroll? What is it called '12 ways to make friends and influence people?' Please understand, you will learn so much more from real experience with real people. Shove those books in a corner somewhere and make some more time for your dear mother. I will arrange practical lessons for you, we will focus on what is most important: protecting your own secrets, and discovering the secrets of others. It doesn't matter if you call them friends or enemies; you want something from them, they want something from you, and you must find a way to always have the upper hand."

Intrigue & Etiquette Training

[] Teo's Lessons
Bonus Diplomacy Specialization

[] Mom's Lessons
Bonus Spycraft Specialization

Teo selected the Charm Allies action for you. This action has a few effects
  • You get an update on your most prominent friendly relationships.
  • You can make decisions that alter those relationships
  • Slightly improves all friendly relationships because you're paying attention to them
There's a bunch of votes down here, sorry if it's a little overwhelming.

Subordinates

Mom's Clan (Strong)


The Xochipixqui remnants are pleased that their heir is the Matriarch and her mother holds significant influence. They are being secretly funded by the clan's charitable giving. You really aren't sure who they are, exactly, but apparently they're placed prominently in every branch?

[] Get to know your mother's clan and openly show them some favor
[] Keep them in the shadows

Teo's Maternal Clan (Poor)

The Cacalotl remnants are prominent in the production and administration of the Atlahau Clan. They were content with their subordinate role so long as their heir, Teo, was set to inherent the whole clan. Now Teo is in a subordinate role to you, and even if he's content with it they are extremely unhappy.

[] Name Teo your successor. You might die in the Beast Lands after all, and this will mollify them until you have a child of your own. It might also incentivize your own death, but they don't seem to be the murdering type
[] Give them some face without meaningful concessions

Allies

River Captains (Fair)


Sales handles some of your transportation needs directly, but the Acallachiani Clan of River Captains have contracts for bulk purchases, which they transport independently to the distant corners of the Thousand Rivers. They fear that you are trying to undermine this relationship with your new transportation infrastructure.

[] Extend a long-term contract for them to handle your river transport needs in the 1000 rivers, put your river-salesforce on the other regions
[] Offer adoptions, marriages, and buyouts (attempt to subordinate, damage relationship with a failure)
[] Push them out with your fleet (end alliance)

Crafting Clan (Poor)

The Iquitini Clan has traditionally made your specialized tools and minor treasures. Chachi has been bypassing them with the Forge and they're unhappy.

[] Extend a long-term maintenances contract for the Walking Fortresses
[] Make a significant purchase of personal equipment
[] Make a strategic purchase of high value treasures for you to copy and sell at a better price later (end alliance)
[] Ignore them

Partners

Construction Clan (Strong)


The Kalchiuani Clan is pleased with your first collaborative project and looking forward to your second.

[] Offer a marriage alliance (move to ally)
[] Keep things as they are

Crystal Prospectors (Strong)

The Tehuilotl Prospectors Union are very pleased with your recent orders, their only concern is how to meet your seemingly endless demand.

[] Give them a marriage alliance and a substantial interest-free loan to expand their business (Move to ally)
[] They're fine

Special Farmer's Union (Poor)

The Special Farmer's Union is unhappy with what they see as past attacks on their organization. You met their recent disrespect with a firm but fair rebuke. They've shown some indication that they are willing to repair their relationship with us, and may have been responding to outside pressure.

[] Extend a long-term purchasing agreement
[] Crush them (attempt subordination, lose partner and prestige on failure)
[] No change

Prospects

Security Union


The Blackwater Security Union are a mercenary group composed of sect dropouts. Their most recent contract has run out and they're shopping around for a Clan with deep pockets and a need for reliable muscle.

[] Hire
[] Don't hire

Lady Chalchiuhtlicue

True Lady Chalchiuhtlicue is extremely pleased that your clan plans to ship elixirs to her region. She wants a LOT of elixirs, but due to her war footing may not be able to pay at the moment. She has a business opportunity in spirit clam farms she thinks you'll be very interested in…

[] No! But you will allow her to buy a shipment on credit.
[] No! But you would like to meet with her in person to discuss how you can help each other
[] No! But you will offer a standard bulk shipment discount

The Crystal Cartel

A group calling themselves the Crystal Cartel recently sent your clan the corpse of one of your merchants stuffed with a message-stone. They claim that any merchant who sets foot in the Crystal Desert without their permission will give their life-water to the sand. They are willing to purchase your goods at the border if you offer a very steep discount.

[] Accept, you can still make a small profit in the Crystal Desert risk-free
[] Ignore, heighten security and if they have a problem they can break themselves on your Fortresses
[] Prepare for war
 
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Whatever we do, don't start stuff with multiple of these people.

Fight one enemy at once.

We're on the low end of prestige and burning money, after all.

The crystal desert in particular I'm highly inclined to just accept the cartel, take a small safe profit, and revisit the matter later. Though I could be convinced to ignore them and let them smack their face against the Fortresses, it seems risky- They could have something that can kill one and it's impossible to tell.

I copied the status from a few posts ago here:

Ram Q2
Q2 Starting Clan Profile
Profit: -$17 per quarter
Reserves: $126
Status: 3 (Regional Power)
Prestige: 0.55 (Sad)
Stability: .75 (Shaky)
 
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jesus this is a lot of stuff to vote on. I really think this oughta be broken up into multiple updates.

i assume its already split into allies and nuetral this update and enemies next update, but the cartel seem like they are explicitly antagonistic to us and are trying to rip us off. why are they listed as prospects?
 
If you agree to their terms they become (pretty hostile) business partners. If you don't they go to enemies.

Yeah, it's a lot of votes.
 
Is there any reason we just don't sell the stuff earmarked for the desert elsewhere? Saturated? The opportunity cost of selling at almost no profit to them seems like it should be larger than taking slightly lower prices redirecting elsewhere.

Need to review what was up with the ocean lady. Only her, construction, and farmers have been featured onscreen so far right? Missing a bunch of context on the exact relationships and how they work together to impact the bottom line.

And long term = more than the 2 years of reduced water prices I assume?
 
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Right now production capacity outpaces expected sales, and you have the space in the trains to sell in bulk. You actually can't fill the trains with your current production or sales, but you future proofed a bit there.

You'd make a small profit shipping to them and letting them take a good cut, but you suspect if you can bypass the cartel the profits would be substantial.

Most long term contracts you offer are for 7 years
 
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[x] Plan help me this is so many votes
-[] Mom's Lessons
-[] Get to know your mother's clan and openly show them some favor
-[] Give them some face without meaningful concessions
-[] Extend a long-term contract for them to handle your river transport needs in the 1000 rivers, put your river-salesforce on the other regions
-[] Extend a long-term maintenances contract for the Walking Fortresses
-[] Offer a marriage alliance (move to ally)
-[] Give them a marriage alliance and a substantial interest-free loan to expand their business (Move to ally)
-[] Extend a long-term purchasing agreement
-[] Don't hire
-[] No! But you would like to meet with her in person to discuss how you can help each other
-[] Ignore, heighten security and if they have a problem they can break themselves on your Fortresses

moms lessons because it seems more cool to me. Can also help discover great opportunities/plots against us.

show favor to moms clan because i want to actually get to know them, even if they have to stay mostly in the shadows. they are family after all

Give face to teo's clan without naming them successor. Rather not risk them going after our heads at all and the op clarified that this will boost our relationship with them anyways, even if only by a bit because we are actually ackowledging they exist.

seems good to keep things as they are with the river captains. No need to piss em off or subjugate them. We can just dig our claws in elsewhere.

repurposing the crafting clan to do maintence for us seems reasonable to me and it takes care of that problem before it becomes an issue. even if it is a relationship they prob won't be happy with indefinitely.

turning the construction clan from prospects to allies seems to be a low cost and easy move so i see no reason not to do it.

Same for the crystal prospectors

personally i'd rather crush the farmers union but the way thread responded to their insults overall makes it seem to mee like that wouldn't be the popular decision so i'd rather patch things up before they turn hostile.

i don't see why we need the security union with our walking fortresses

don't buy into the true ladies bullshit, but getting a read on her and looking for real opportunities seems wise.

i would declare war on the cartel because they literally MURDERED one of our people and desecrated their corpse, but we don't have the capital to go to war right now. So lets see how good our walking fortresses REALLY are. Im hardline against giving into the demands of people who murder and desecrate our people as an opening offer of negotiation.






well theres my attempt at making a plan.
 
[X] Teo's Lessons
Strengthening our alliances seems more urgent than information gathering.

[X] Keep them in the shadows
I don't want to draw attention to our spy network.

[X] Give them some face without meaningful concessions
Naming Teo as successor would both incentivize his clan to put us in dangerous situations and simultaneously encourage mom's clan to try assassinating Teo.

[X] Extend a long-term contract for them to handle your river transport needs in the 1000 rivers, put your river-salesforce on the other regions
This seems fine since we're focused on expanding our network.

[X] Extend a long-term maintenances contract for the Walking Fortresses
We don't have time to maintain everything, so we might as well delegate.

[X] Offer a marriage alliance (move to ally)
Cooperating with the construction clan seems to offer huge synergies with the forge. Teo seemed open to his relatives being courted.

[X] Give them a marriage alliance and a substantial interest-free loan to expand their business (Move to ally)
Presumably our need for these crystals will only increase given the scope of our plans.

[X] Extend a long-term purchasing agreement
Their demands seem entirely reasonable and I'd like to increase our access to their supplies.

[X] Don't hire
Mercenaries are expensive and we're not currently in a military conflict. Banditry is a risk but I think we mitigated that with the walking fortress design. It doesn't seem like they'd help with duels and I see no pending threat of assassination.

[X] No! But you will offer a standard bulk shipment discount
We previously got intel that this was probably a scam.

[X] Accept, you can still make a small profit in the Crystal Desert risk-free
We're not a military clan and we've got better things to do than getting bogged down in a desert conflict that could go on forever. It's not like we're signing a contract so we retain flexibility. If we meet and they're obviously pushovers we can try negotiating or exerting pressure.
 
What are our current plans for the trip? Regardless of if we're going to try to sneak in with a small group or go in hard with a walking fortress, we probably will need to hire some additional cultivators for it, to act like ablative armor for our in house teams if nothing else. Though getting them q2 for something in q4 is probably an expense we don't really need
 
Lord Tlaloc ended their meeting with a warning, "a promise is just words. We met here, with an audience of only beasts, because you haven't earned the protection of my open favor yet. The Nepoualistli Clan has a complaint against you, some beating of a distant cousin. I'm not in the mood to deal with it either way, so they'll come at you soon. A duel if they're being formal, an ambush if they're being cheeky. They are honorable sorts, in their fashion, so they will not attempt an assassination. I won't intervene in such matters until you deliver on your promise of service."

Might be an issue with our tight timeline. How long could we delay a duel if it comes down to it?

[] No! But you will allow her to buy a shipment on credit.
[] No! But you would like to meet with her in person to discuss how you can help each other
[] No! But you will offer a standard bulk shipment discount

We've already had issues with people buying on credit, we already know the issues involved in talking to a Lord (although it might be fine since she's not our Lord), and bulk rate discount probably means less will be sold.
 
I am pretty pissed at these desert dudes for opening by murdering a guy honestly. They're never going to be our friends; We just don't need them as explicit enemies in case they start murdering suppliers and stuff.
 
To clarify offering her the standard bulk discount is a fancy way of offering jack shit, you'd give that to anyone with a large enough order.

Hmm... @Mr. Prokosch, how able are we to use the Cosmic Forge to replicate effects of our Diamond Spirit?

Generally Transforming level effects can't be replicated with standard treasures. You can build a purifier or a Teotl disruptor (the central feature for both is a diamond) but they'll be at Perfect tier, which means a poison or technique that's also Perfect tier will clash (compare the amount of Teotl used, class of technique, skill of users, etc. to decide who wins). If you did it yourself, you just win against Perfect, without even trying.

With the Secret Ritual of True Spirit Refinement you can make Transformation Tier Treasures, but that takes heavenly junk, a limited resource.

There's potential in the forge to push the boundaries of Perfect and into Transformation, especially in your own domain, but that'll take significantly more skill with it than you have right now.
 
Generally Transforming level effects can't be replicated with standard treasures. You can build a purifier or a Teotl disruptor (the central feature for both is a diamond) but they'll be at Perfect tier, which means a poison or technique that's also Perfect tier will clash (compare the amount of Teotl used, class of technique, skill of users, etc. to decide who wins). If you did it yourself, you just win against Perfect, without even trying.

With the Secret Ritual of True Spirit Refinement you can make Transformation Tier Treasures, but that takes heavenly junk, a limited resource.

There's potential in the forge to push the boundaries of Perfect and into Transformation, especially in your own domain, but that'll take significantly more skill with it than you have right now.
How much would Anti-Abyssal Pylons be worth? Basically a more specialized variant of our Aura of Purity that harms Abyssals in our presence. And how much would they help counter raids?
 
It would be a new thing, so hard to tell exactly how well they'll work without r&d or what they'll sell for. The Lady will want to buy as many as you'll make if they're at all effective, she'd want to put at least one on every island.

But she also wants to buy endless elixirs and the main issue with her isn't if she wants to buy, it's how she'll get the funds to buy. Do you want your own private island?
 
It would be a new thing, so hard to tell exactly how well they'll work without r&d or what they'll sell for. The Lady will want to buy as many as you'll make if they're at all effective, she'd want to put at least one on every island.

But she also wants to buy endless elixirs and the main issue with her isn't if she wants to buy, it's how she'll get the funds to buy. Do you want your own private island?
Well, the thought was that the pylons would make the worthless shit she has less worthless. By rendering her waters more resistant to raids, both the Essence Clams might turn a profit, and it'd be easier to harvest oceanic crystals. Plus the benefits of the time between installing them and the Abyssals getting wise meaning comparatively easy access to murder based Abyssal resources.
Speaking of, I'm assuming said post-mortum resources are already accounted for in regards to her brokeness?
 
Yeah the murder based income is basically her entire income right now.

If you want to go for the clams and think you can keep them safe with a new Forge treasure she'll be very satisfied with that partnership. I'll add that to the options if you get a private meeting with her.
 
Yeah the murder based income is basically her entire income right now.

If you want to go for the clams and think you can keep them safe with a new Forge treasure she'll be very satisfied with that partnership. I'll add that to the options if you get a private meeting with her.
Clams, land, etc. Maybe see if she can scrounge up enough random shit to feed the forge for the first few prototypes, considering how valuable such things would probably be to the Empire as a whole.
 
[x] Plan help me this is so many votes
-[] Teo's Lessons
-[] Keep them in the shadows
-[] Give them some face without meaningful concessions
-[] Extend a long-term contract for them to handle your river transport needs in the 1000 rivers, put your river-salesforce on the other regions
-[] Extend a long-term maintenances contract for the Walking Fortresses
-[] Offer a marriage alliance (move to ally)
-[] Give them a marriage alliance and a substantial interest-free loan to expand their business (Move to ally)
-[] Extend a long-term purchasing agreement
-[] Don't hire
-[] No! But you would like to meet with her in person to discuss how you can help each other
-[] Ignore, heighten security and if they have a problem they can break themselves on your Fortresses


Adjusting plan after considering others arguments


@Mr. Prokosch If we were to ask oku to stomp on this cartel enough that they leave us alone, what is chachi's guess as to how likely she is to succeed?
 
Do you want your own private island?

Private island with tax breaks ;)
Or maybe bodyguards for the beast lands?


[X] Mom's Lessons
Shoring up our weakness and spending time with Mom.

[X] Keep them in the shadows
Not drawing attention to our spy network seems like a good idea

[X] Name Teo your successor. You might die in the Beast Lands after all, and this will mollify them until you have a child of your own. It might also incentivize your own death, but they don't seem to be the murdering type
If we actually die, it seems irresponsible to leave the clan without a clear succession.

[X] Extend a long-term contract for them to handle your river transport needs in the 1000 rivers, put your river-salesforce on the other regions
I see no reason not to do this.

[X] Extend a long-term maintenance contract for the Walking Fortresses and make a significant purchase of personal equipment
Saves time on the fortresses, and we might be getting in a duel soon, better gear up fast.

[X] Offer a marriage alliance (move to ally)
Synergies!

[X] Extend a long-term purchasing agreement
Time to secure the loyalties of our suppliers.

[X] Hire
This muscle is actually reliable, right?

[X] No! But you would like to meet with her in person to discuss how you can help each other
I'm sure we can work something out

[X] Ignore, heighten security and if they have a problem they can break themselves on your Fortresses
The muscle is for this
 
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