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Money and Power: A Xianxia Merchant Quest
- Thread starter Mr. Prokosch
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Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
To be fair, we are risking our character, it will really suck if Chaci died (or became insane) despite us giving all the efforts we can to prevent it.
Rockeye
Plausible Engineer
- Location
- Midwestern U.S.
@Mr. Prokosch I forgot to tag it with [Insight] but did you see this stuff? I don't notice it in the update, unless it got rolled in with similar insights.
[X] Heaven-Forged Diamond Spirit
I'm nervous about those mysterious consequences and the needed sacrifice that was hinted at, but I can't see myself turning the chance down. We had already considered adding heavenly power as a possible idea so I really want to see how this turns out. The line about bringing our ability's more in line with Infinitely Perfect and the Cosmic Forge sounds to me like this upgrade is going to make the new breakthrough for custom ability's that match our skills perfectly and I'm hoping that they can match our foundation in quality as well.
The last thing I'm hoping is that because Heaven's Gift is still a diamond our experience and insight into mastering Spirit won't completely reset when we switch out for a new merge target. I know that the character sheet mentions that we would have to start over from scratch but I'm hoping that because we are going from diamond to legendary space diamond we can still apply what we have learned about diamonds to the new higher quality diamond.
I'm also wondering if it matters if the new diamond is a perfect diamond that is useful but looks boring or if we will wind up with something designed to look pretty when our body merge happens.
I'm nervous about those mysterious consequences and the needed sacrifice that was hinted at, but I can't see myself turning the chance down. We had already considered adding heavenly power as a possible idea so I really want to see how this turns out. The line about bringing our ability's more in line with Infinitely Perfect and the Cosmic Forge sounds to me like this upgrade is going to make the new breakthrough for custom ability's that match our skills perfectly and I'm hoping that they can match our foundation in quality as well.
The last thing I'm hoping is that because Heaven's Gift is still a diamond our experience and insight into mastering Spirit won't completely reset when we switch out for a new merge target. I know that the character sheet mentions that we would have to start over from scratch but I'm hoping that because we are going from diamond to legendary space diamond we can still apply what we have learned about diamonds to the new higher quality diamond.
I'm also wondering if it matters if the new diamond is a perfect diamond that is useful but looks boring or if we will wind up with something designed to look pretty when our body merge happens.
- Location
- Ostren
[X] Reject Heaven's Light
Do we have any sense of what the political ramifications for this might be? I am also worried like everyone else about the character changing consequences. What do we know about the heaven forged diamond from this post and how might that manifest? I'm curious how much of our current character is altered by the fact we are merged with a diamond now.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
Wonder if this will increase our prestige.
It wasn't tagged so when I was dealing with the huge list if insights it was deleted along with any other untagged chat.
It's a very good insight, I'd give it a perfect but it shares enough with other insights that it's a small bonus.
Mechanically it would be one action to make the technique and one to make it a Pillar at the absolute fastest.
There are a lot of metaphors people use for shaping Teotl into a consistent technique. Chachi usually uses water metaphors and sometimes crafting metaphors. I'll use a linguistic metaphor that exists in world but would be alien to Chachi.
Learning a technique is pretty easy, it's like memorizing a poem so you can recite it perfectly. If it's some huge epic or has a crazy cadence it might take a while, but most could be done in an afternoon. Whether you remember it years later is another issue.
Inventing a technique is like writing your own poem. Unless you have a real talent for it, it's going to be pretty lame at first. You'd need to have inspiration, and really think on it, and tweak it painfully for a long time until it's even ok. It needs the right sound, the right look, the right spirit, the right emotional resonance. It's a lot of work to make something better than what's already stood the test of time. But that can all be done.
To make it a pillar (whether you invented it or not) you need to have carved the words into your being. You have to dissect it, analyze it, play with it, see it in every light. You have to know that poem like an old friend. Every part of it needs to have personal significance to you and deeply touch you so you react to even a snippet with full emotion. It needs to be a part of you now. Compatability really comes in here, or the poem won't hold up to that kind of intense scrutiny. Even worse is if you commit to a lame pillar and now you have one of those "In this house" signs as part of your personality.
BTW I'm usually pretty open with any kind of question but I'm ignoring anything that might get me to slip what the mysterious consequences could or could not be. They are mysterious.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
What are common useful piller techniques that Chachi knows exist, I asked about making our own pillar in case the new diamond (if chosen) give us more comprehension of fate reading to make our technique, but what are techniques Chachi knows of that she considered making into pillars, things she will think of when making new pillars become available that we don't know of.
And how big of a power boost does progressing transformations provide, is it possible for example, for a cultivator that completed body, mind and spirit merging to beat limial or harmonic cultivator? Is the difference in power significant, and if yes, how much?
And how big of a power boost does progressing transformations provide, is it possible for example, for a cultivator that completed body, mind and spirit merging to beat limial or harmonic cultivator? Is the difference in power significant, and if yes, how much?
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- Location
- Canada
I think of the Empire more as Lawful Neutral. I want Chachi to be good and not just Lawful, and I'm wary of this mysterious sacrifice so:
[X] Reject Heaven's Light
I'm not sure what diamond steel armaments would do, but they sound cool.
If just making a few standard diamonds burns through a substantial part of our Teotl, I imagine that diamond steel forged weapons and armor would use a crazy amount. Luckily we are about to visit a True Lord who is looking to pay for something very expensive, maybe they can pay in Teotl?
Create just the waterways first with something impure, forge the Diamond around them, then purify the waterways so Teotl can flow through them?
Gotta deal with those rumors of us not paying our workers at some point.
Interesting, to shape what the purification does, we must first shape the world.
Frozen Moment plus Art of Evaluation has some serious synergy.
- Location
- USA
Oh so that's might be why some of my stuff wasn't pondered by Chachi. Would it be possible to get feedback on it?
I think based off something that's been learned is that instead of "wrong" the term should be more like "against the way the world ought to be".
The forge being able to do that to diamond while fire couldn't is probably something similar to the different situations where diamond would purify things. The forge doing what it does is more in line with "the way the world ought to be" than "diamonds don't burn".
Still curious if that conclusion was even somewhat valid though
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
Sounds like a waste when it is basically free resource as long as it doesn't eclipse our capacity.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
Than do it in a few sittings, unless you are planning to make heaven forged diamonds.
Personally, I am hoping to leverage it for powerful pillar techniques, she isn't just powerful herself, she is also the daughter of a duke (probably favoured one at that seeing that she got the lordship) and politically connected, who know what goodies she can provide, maybe techniques equal to our secret refinement rituals.
Maybe we can ask her about saints and how we might get some to teach us, we can get access to imperial records of diamond artists if they have something like it.
Or we could ask for political protection, say someone tries to manufacture reason to dual us, and she can get involved and say that we are the wronged party and so on.
Using it for something that we can get by doing the equivalent of a running exercise three times as opposed to one seems wasteful, you have a lady to ask what you want from, and this is what you ask?
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I'd veto political protection unless we are moving to the turtle islands. Her political connections are far away and she wouldn't want to step on the toes of another lord who would get pissed if someone else started interfering in his domain.
Knowledge based Ideas are good in that they probably don't cost her anything and so she'd be happy to share for some cold hard cash but it's hard to judge how valuable or realistic they are.
I don't think she knows how to draw in a saint willing to teach in the first place. They do pretty much whatever they want and the records of diamond would be useful but if we vote for the rebuild enough will have changed that personal experience would be a better teacher plus not having them feels intentional. A game mechanic meant to have us figure things out ourselves rather then using a wiki.
We have the library idea and the default oyster farm idea. What else is there, she could act as a trainer for our security forces or a contact for selling more valuable items at auction and finally if we do the rebuild being able to hide in a place where we don't have to worry about sudden personality changes or offending a business partner and simply need to kill impure things until we can adjust to the new versions of diamond spirit and diamond mind would be valuable in and of itself.
I'd imagine that people would pay a shitton for a copy of the crown jewels of the empire. Let's hope diamond or the laws aren't against copies of famous jewels.
- Location
- some computer lab
Do the local rivers have Abyssal problems? if not, then convincing her to give us some oysters to set up near us in exchange for a share of the profits. It would be a nice reversal of the usual option, making her income more stable in exchange for us getting a cut. I know they are presumably salt water oyesters, but I imagine that cultivators could find a way to make it work.
Roth963
If I become inactive with this massage, I died
This we would likely be capable of getting for free if she doesn't outright introduce us to a saint buddy who will take us under his wing.
The insight of a lord as connected as her will be amazing help for letting us get one, maybe she can point us at the right saints who are best to invest our efforts in, maybe some insight for the perspective of saints which will be useful for convincing them.
Asking our lord about his saint guest would have been rude and disrespectful, but asking her for advice after coming to her aid would be much better received.
That a bad idea I think, she is a lady, she has better things to do than teaching below transformation scrubs.
We could send our forces to get combat experience there hunting abyssals, or train with her forces, but asking her to teach them sounds disrespectful.
It is his crown jewel, we can possibly sell it, but doing it more than once or twice might piss of the emperor.
We also don't gave real combat experience, so it could be useful to have a place to let go in.
My idea wasn't that she would personally teach each scrub. Her domain is a combat area and she is known to have a large number of perfect veterans that are very good at there jobs. Assuming that she has a working system in place to train more combat personal seems pretty normal given she's in constant combat.
Now I don't know if they are better then Oki but it's an option.